John Adams Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Because tax benefits are an inescapable part of the equation as things stand. If they want to eliminate tax benefits for married couples, go ahead and marry the whole town. However, as long as tax benefits are part of the deal, it must be limited to 2 people. Like I said, they can legally get married for all I care, but only 2 people in the marriage may receive the benefits. Establishing visitation or custody rights from there is fine by me. And Jim, at least you've admitted you don't want gay marriage because it grosses you out. As wrong as that is, it's not as messed up as EII's "I believe what society believes" reasoning. At least you have deduced your own reasons, regardless of what others say. Don't get drawn into that. Benefits rules can be limited to #s of people or relationships: one spouse and children living in house, etc. I don't give a **** if 10 people get married--but I certainly wouldn't want to pay all their benefits. That's an easy fix. BTW, I am of course against the picture of polygamy that is the norm (forcing children to marry adults). I'm talking here about consenting adults. Who cares? You can't talk to these guys. They like the "motherment" to set legal standards on more rather than fewer issues. Why they care about that 2 men in love want to marry is beyond comprehension. EII wants the government to set lots of societal lines. Sorry, you can no longer jerkoff to porn. Sorry, divorce is no longer allowed. No more cursing. You're too fat to get on the bus. Only 1 beer a day. Fried foods outlawed. Car gets less than 18mpg: Pay the sate $4000. No guns for anyone. Meat is murder. Etc. See: you can take many arguments to extremes EII. Isn't it fun? Frankly, I'd rather side on the less-government side. You and Jim want more nanny-state like most people. Subjugation of the minority to the majority-will is not how this country was founded but it's what you desire. The good news for you is that you're getting it. The bad news for you is that on an issue like gay marriage, it's a lost cause for you. Once old people die and leave office, there's a huge generation of people who will become the majority and they don't give a **** about gay marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Yes I did say that, and stand by it. But I did NOT say I was against gay marriage for that reason.Marriage is a tradition thousands of years old for a reason-it was created to give men and woman a special status for raising their children together. [And please don't bring up the infertile couple argument]. Gay marriage by it's very nature is sterile and not aimed at producing the next generation. It is a corruption of a very Noble word it was never intended for. Again as I said-from a LLC or something-don't call it a marrage. Bold: Why not? You jump to polygamy incest and walking around buck nekkid but you get to ignore the gaping holes in your justification. Some religions, many quite mainstream, DO call same-sex unions marriage. It's only the state that's holding up use of the word. Two dudes won't be able to marry in some religions. They will be able to in others. This will always be the case. Before long, most states will recognize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 So when do we get to walk around buck naked? What a dumb argument. Who the !@#$ cares about people wearing clothes? By your argument (marriage goes back a gazillion years and is a tradition...an argument that is total bull **** but let's assume for a second it's not), shouldn't we all be walking around naked? It's more recent social mores that made us so prude about the human body. And where nudity is allowed, guess what: Almost everyone wears clothing. Why? It's comfortable. And it's a social norm. Amazingly, the government doesn't need to "set" the norm...it just happens. But I understand. You want your mommyment to take care of you and give you a binky when you get upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Marriage is a tradition thousands of years old for a reason-it was created to give men and woman a special status for raising their children together. Horseshit. The vast majority of "marriages" until westernization were arranged. Basically business deals. Kind of ironic given the fact that homosexuals are looking for legal status to protect their rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 So when do we get to walk around buck naked? You can do it whenever you want in the privacy of your own home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Horseshit. The vast majority of "marriages" until westernization were arranged. Basically business deals. Kind of ironic given the fact that homosexuals are looking for legal status to protect their rights. Going further, marriages were historically not institutionalized by the governments but were the privy of the clergy. So if you truly want to boil this argument into the legalese, marriages are unconstitutional because they would violate the separation clause, especially if same sex marriage is legal under a religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 That "venomous dykster" marginalized Cohen because the idea that humans willingly choose their sexual orientation is preposterous. Anyone with a rudimentary science background (or just plain common sense) could debunk such a claim. Science and logic, however, are generally beyond the scope of low-IQ redneck bigots like yourself. I see that Home Depot is still running the sale on broad brushes for liberals? You do recognize that among the biggest opponents of same sex marriages are Hispanic and black church groups? How do they get those red necks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I see that Home Depot is still running the sale on broad brushes for liberals? You do recognize that among the biggest opponents of same sex marriages are Hispanic and black church groups? How do they get those red necks? No silly, they don't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frit0 Bandit0 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 That "venomous dykster" marginalized Cohen because the idea that humans willingly choose their sexual orientation is preposterous. Anyone with a rudimentary science background (or just plain common sense) could debunk such a claim. Science and logic, however, are generally beyond the scope of low-IQ redneck bigots like yourself. Blow it out your ass, I thought it was funny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I see that Home Depot is still running the sale on broad brushes for liberals? You do recognize that among the biggest opponents of same sex marriages are Hispanic and black church groups? How do they get those red necks? I agree - there's no reason to limit this to homophobic rednecks. All true believers can be equally backward under the right circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska_Darin_Is_Gay Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 What a dumb argument. Who the !@#$ cares about people wearing clothes? By your argument (marriage goes back a gazillion years and is a tradition...an argument that is total bull **** but let's assume for a second it's not), shouldn't we all be walking around naked? It's more recent social mores that made us so prude about the human body. And where nudity is allowed, guess what: Almost everyone wears clothing. Why? It's comfortable. And it's a social norm. Amazingly, the government doesn't need to "set" the norm...it just happens. But I understand. You want your mommyment to take care of you and give you a binky when you get upset. It has been requested of me to ask you this question-why is you avatar a picture of a child molester? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 It has been requested of me to ask you this question-why is you avatar a picture of a child molester? Who gives a ****? I'm going to change mine to a picture of Lenin, just to watch your pointy little head explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 It has been requested of me to ask you this question-why is you avatar a picture of a child molester? Don't mess with Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska_Darin_Is_Gay Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Who gives a ****? I'm going to change mine to a picture of Lenin, just to watch your pointy little head explode. Why would I give a **** about your avatar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Why would I give a **** about your avatar? Why do you give a **** about John Adams'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska_Darin_Is_Gay Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Why do you give a **** about John Adams'? I don't. "Frito Bandito" sent me a PM asking me to ask John Adams about his avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I don't. "Frito Bandito" sent me a PM asking me to ask John Adams about his avatar. That is just sad on so many different levels... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska_Darin_Is_Gay Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 That is just sad on so many different levels... I bet you're an expert on message board sadness eh Tim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I bet you're an expert on message board sadness eh Tim? Did conner pass you a note in studyhall asking you to ask me that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Dimwit conversation rocks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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