UConn James Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Also, it kind of sucks that V is on right after LOST, combined with not having the repeat shown anymore. Get so discombobulated trying to cram in and process all that info from two shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Also, it kind of sucks that V is on right after LOST, combined with not having the repeat shown anymore. Get so discombobulated trying to cram in and process all that info from two shows. i know exactly what you mean, it quickly got to the point where i had to stop watching V. and for that matter, i really have a hard time following any other show week to week. it feels like all other TV should go on hiatus until they end LOST. with regards to the Jin/Sun reunion, after all that build up and anticipation, they drop it on us completely unexpectedly. i kinda feel jipped out of being able to experience that as a bigger, emotional moment. oh well, im not really big on their characters anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 awesome article from Wired magazine about how LOST was made. interesting to see the white board on the first page. http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/04/ff_lost/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 i know exactly what you mean, it quickly got to the point where i had to stop watching V. and for that matter, i really have a hard time following any other show week to week. it feels like all other TV should go on hiatus until they end LOST. with regards to the Jin/Sun reunion, after all that build up and anticipation, they drop it on us completely unexpectedly. i kinda feel jipped out of being able to experience that as a bigger, emotional moment. oh well, im not really big on their characters anyways. Right. Instead of a little additional build-up, there was a figurative premature ejaculation of Jin just appearing over the berm. But maybe they just deserved a simple initial reconnection. But then, without much ado, they're forced to their knees. We've known for a while, stated unequivocally and out in the open that death among main characters is coming... and time is running seriously short. SPOILER WARNING: Especially with 6.15 "Across the Sea" being a near-total mythology episode. I've read that there are no series regulars appearing. Pretty ballsy for a TV show to do, but then again, fans of the show absolutely crave mythology. I expect it to happen in 6.14, which will be in two weeks ("Ab Aeterno" is scheduled to be re-aired next week). It did look like Sawyer was getting very misty-eyed at that moment, tho. That's a good catch, but that's just how Mathew emotes hurtful-shock. It's hilarious, go back through and watch all the scenes in any of his shows or movies and you'll see that exact movie over and over again. Don't get me wrong, I think he's way underrated as an actor by most, but we'd have fun counting the times he did that move in dailies (in other scenes). Didn't know that. I've never seen his other shows (I probably wouldn't have watched POF at the time even if we did get FOX over-the-air then...), and among movies, have only seen "Vantage Point" where he was... well, I don't want to give it away to anyone who's never seen it, but suffice to say that he's not in the dark about anything. Funny that directors have never asked him to try something different, but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 A few random thoughts... I thought it was funny that Sun finally starts to speak English and it's to the one person who actually could have understood her previously! Did Sun have a flashback/sideways flash of the island when she saw Locke in the hospital? Who is Jack's ex-wife? Juliet maybe? Sayid didn't kill Desmond... Sawyers best line was about Lapidus looking like he was out of a Bert Reynolds movie... I've decided not to get to crazy with theories and explanations. I am simply going to let the writers tell me what's going on rather than rack my brain trying to figure everything out. So, I will not be one of the many "I told you so" or "I was right" posters after the finally, but at least my head won't hurt as much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 A few random thoughts... Who is Jack's ex-wife? Juliet maybe? Sayid didn't kill Desmond... I've decided not to get to crazy with theories and explanations. I am simply going to let the writers tell me what's going on rather than rack my brain trying to figure everything out. So, I will not be one of the many "I told you so" or "I was right" posters after the finally, but at least my head won't hurt as much! Or Ana-Lucia... Possibly Ilana, after last night. But bearing in mind that David has a very, very pale complexion, not a bad guess.... Others might include Sara, or perhaps it might be the Italian woman he kissed the night Sara left him in the original timeline. To expound on the Sayid-Des exchange more.... It seems likely that Des would have told Sayid about the Sideways world. That he had seen it and, as many of us think (since Des is not going in and out of consciousness), experienced the whole shebang of it. He was in a position to tell Sayid that if he does X,Y and Z, the sideways world (which is in a state of flux as we've seen) will be granted. And to tell you the truth... from Desmond's perspective, what we call the "original timeline" is the real "sideways flash." The "original timeline" we've seen from the start could just be a 30-year-long "course correction." Strike that, actually. The S5 time-flashes included 1954 and a time when the Tawaret statue, destroyed by the Black Rock, was still standing. And, just to point out, we still don't know what happened to Rose and Bernard after the Jughead detonation. recap link Jack: "If that thing wants us to leave, maybe it's afraid of what happens if we stay." And as Jack jumped off the side of the sailboat into the water, we saw Mirror Image #4: from Season 4's finale, when Sawyer sacrificed himself and jumped out of the helicopter and into the water below. Again...a role reversal in a similarly shot scene. Which was immediately followed by Mirror Image #5: from Season 3's finale, only now instead of Jack yelling after Kate, "We have to go back!", Kate is now yelling at Sawyer about Jack..."We have to go back!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Not much to really say as the episodes are getting more and more straight forward. I think Flocke is telling the truth or at least his version of the truth. So I think he truly was Christian. Yet if he needed the body to be present of the person's identity he overtook the question remains who was that guy we first saw him as when him and Jacob were talking on the beach? Also does Jacob have these same powers? We might ever find out these answers but just throwing them out there. Also it seems that Sayid wasn't truthful of killing Desmond. I think Desmond was asking Sayid his question about what Flocke offered him so he could find him in the sideways world. Speaking of sideways time I'm surprised no one else mentioned the feeling like there might be a sideways reunion of most of the Lostaways at the hospital and/or jail. As have a sneaking suspicion that somehow the group that we see on the island now has to somehow group together in the sideworld and the finale might ultimately be of which world they chose. To quote one Jack Shepperd from S1, "We can live together or die alone". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Not much to really say as the episodes are getting more and more straight forward. I think Flocke is telling the truth or at least his version of the truth. So I think he truly was Christian. Yet if he needed the body to be present of the person's identity he overtook the question remains who was that guy we first saw him as when him and Jacob were talking on the beach? Also does Jacob have these same powers? We might ever find out these answers but just throwing them out there. I have a feeling that the first body he's in isn't going to be a factor. But another question is, why can't he change bodies anymore? Speaking of sideways time I'm surprised no one else mentioned the feeling like there might be a sideways reunion of most of the Lostaways at the hospital and/or jail. As have a sneaking suspicion that somehow the group that we see on the island now has to somehow group together in the sideworld and the finale might ultimately be of which world they chose. To quote one Jack Shepperd from S1, "We can live together or die alone". I don't thing it's been mentioned becasue it's pretty obvious. I would think all the main players will end up at the hospital at some point. Desmond's next stop is probably the police station... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Not much to really say as the episodes are getting more and more straight forward. I think Flocke is telling the truth or at least his version of the truth. So I think he truly was Christian. Yet if he needed the body to be present of the person's identity he overtook the question remains who was that guy we first saw him as when him and Jacob were talking on the beach? Also does Jacob have these same powers? We might ever find out these answers but just throwing them out there. Also it seems that Sayid wasn't truthful of killing Desmond. I think Desmond was asking Sayid his question about what Flocke offered him so he could find him in the sideways world. Speaking of sideways time I'm surprised no one else mentioned the feeling like there might be a sideways reunion of most of the Lostaways at the hospital and/or jail. As have a sneaking suspicion that somehow the group that we see on the island now has to somehow group together in the sideworld and the finale might ultimately be of which world they chose. To quote one Jack Shepperd from S1, "We can live together or die alone". There's a couple of lines of thought on MIB as Christian. Either he was lying to Jack, or he was lying to Sawyer/everyone that he can't leave the main island. Remember that Christian appeared in both the freighter just before it exploded (with no boat there that MIB could have taken), and in Jack's office lobby in LA, where his presence set off the smoke detector. It also was on Hydra Island when it possessed Locke's body. FLocke also said the only way he can possess a body is if it arrives on the island in a wood box. ... This is not unlike how Jacob's list of the candidates were enclosed in the wooden ankh before Dogen broke it open. How one of the candidates actually becomes Jacobesque remains to be seen --- tho one might assume it has to do with Ilana's bagfull of Jacob's ashes that Hurley peeked into last week before he started his "I know what we have to do" bluff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfWade Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 I have a feeling that the first body he's in isn't going to be a factor. But another question is, why can't he change bodies anymore? From Lostepdia: The Man in Black: "According to Ilana in 2007 following Jacob's death, the Man in Black is now unable to use anything but his Locke and Monster forms." Might be one of the "rules" that Jacob mentions to the Man in Black while on the beach in last season's finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyT Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 From Lostepdia: The Man in Black: "According to Ilana in 2007 following Jacob's death, the Man in Black is now unable to use anything but his Locke and Monster forms." Might be one of the "rules" that Jacob mentions to the Man in Black while on the beach in last season's finale. With the stakes so high and one of the main players supposedly dead, I wonder who or what is still enforcing the rules and why it even matters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Something I've been thinking about since last night... Without knowing much about the "game", or the rules, or the backstory of the mythology... IMO, Jack is now fully in the Jacob role. We've seen him accepting and becoming it more and more, and when he realized last night that he should not and could not leave the island, he assumed that role. Once he figured out that FLocke cant leave without him, and that he doesnt want to leave and doesnt want FLocke to leave, and that all he has to do is simply not leave... that's all there is too it. MiB could not kill Jacob, or make him do anything he didn't want to. MiB can not kill the candidates, or make them do anything they do not want to. All it takes is one of them to say "I'm not going anywhere", and MiB is right back in the situation he was in with Jacob being alive. he can try to manipulate Jack, but if Jack has his mind made up and knows that MiB has an ulterior motive, there will be no manipulating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Something I've been thinking about since last night... Without knowing much about the "game", or the rules, or the backstory of the mythology... IMO, Jack is now fully in the Jacob role. We've seen him accepting and becoming it more and more, and when he realized last night that he should not and could not leave the island, he assumed that role. Once he figured out that FLocke cant leave without him, and that he doesnt want to leave and doesnt want FLocke to leave, and that all he has to do is simply not leave... that's all there is too it. MiB could not kill Jacob, or make him do anything he didn't want to. MiB can not kill the candidates, or make them do anything they do not want to. All it takes is one of them to say "I'm not going anywhere", and MiB is right back in the situation he was in with Jacob being alive. he can try to manipulate Jack, but if Jack has his mind made up and knows that MiB has an ulterior motive, there will be no manipulating. ... and that's where Kate comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 ... and that's where Kate comes in. im completely ready for Kate to be sacrificed. im actually surprised she's made it this long. but i Know what you mean, she will be MiB's trump card for Jack. only thing is, i dont think it will work. Jack already made it off the island. He already had Kate. and he already lost her because of his obsession with the Island. if it comes down to it, at this point, i think Jack picks the Island over Kate. if you notice in the side-world, where everyone has what they want, Jack doesnt have Kate. Dangling Kate as bait wont have the same effect as Nadia and Sayid. Kate is not what Jack really wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 im completely ready for Kate to be sacrificed. im actually surprised she's made it this long. I couldn't agree more, both me and my brother have the same reaction every time there was a Kate episode-Damnit. She's boring and her flip flopping is too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 IMO, Jack is now fully in the Jacob role. We've seen him accepting and becoming it more and more, and when he realized last night that he should not and could not leave the island, he assumed that role. Once he figured out that FLocke cant leave without him, and that he doesnt want to leave and doesnt want FLocke to leave, and that all he has to do is simply not leave... that's all there is too it. You're definitely not alone in the Jack equals the new Jacob theory, I have heard the numerous times. Not sure if I believe it, but it definitely would not surprise me. I think Jack's realization that Flocke might not want to leave the island with the candidates, but rather just get rid of the candidates, for reasons yet to be known, is spot on. Pretty soon they will all be together on the island in "real" time and in the hospital in the flash sideways, that's when the shat will hit the fin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 You're definitely not alone in the Jack equals the new Jacob theory, I have heard the numerous times. Not sure if I believe it, but it definitely would not surprise me. I think Jack's realization that Flocke might not want to leave the island with the candidates, but rather just get rid of the candidates, for reasons yet to be known, is spot on. Pretty soon they will all be together on the island in "real" time and in the hospital in the flash sideways, that's when the shat will hit the fin.... See, I've seen Jack as not only the main character all along but also as Jacobs replacement. I'm a little curious as to why people are surprised by Jacks 180. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 See, I've seen Jack as not only the main character all along but also as Jacobs replacement. I'm a little curious as to why people are surprised by Jacks 180. im with you on this as well. while it's easy to get distracted, or change theories week to week, when you look back the show has been centered around him the entire time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 im with you on this as well. while it's easy to get distracted, or change theories week to week, when you look back the show has been centered around him the entire time. Bingo, they have done their best to distract us but if you've been following you can see it's been Jack v Locke the whole time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Bingo, they have done their best to distract us but if you've been following you can see it's been Jack v Locke the whole time. yeah, its right in the Wired article I posted. the whole thing is Jack v Locke, Jacob v MiB, Chaos v Order, Free Will v Destiny, Science v Faith... what i dont like about that article is where they are correct in saying there is no winner, the battle goes on forever. that leads me to believe that all we are going to get out of the finale is a resolution of bringing the 2 timelines together. and they state about as much too. which im not real thrilled about seeing as how the sideways world was just brought in this season. of course, that's assuming a lot. we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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