LOST...Season 6

[duey]

Not sure about Miles, but someone's got to fly the plane.

I'd be shocked if they actually use that plane. I think a lot of people aren't going to make it off the island, and those that do aren't leaving by ordinary means.

[MattyT]

I'd be shocked if they actually use that plane. I think a lot of people aren't going to make it off the island, and those that do aren't leaving by ordinary means.

While it's obviously not clear, I doubt Lapidus is only around for his sharp wit and classic facial expressions. He's going to fly something eventually.

[DrDawkinstein]

I particularly liked Ben's take on Ilana's departure...the island was done with her. Jacob used her to help make sure all the people that needed to get to the island did. That task being completed, conbined with Jacob having been "killed," certainly did seem to end the useful phase of her island stay.

 

Ilana getting blown up couldnt have been better timed. If they purposely were trying to make me hate her right before they killed her, they did the job. I havent had much of an opinion of her up to this point, but when she was going off about whatever it was, all i remeber thinking is "someone shut her u-" and then she was assploded. well played LOST.

 

Ben's take was priceless as well. "Makes you wonder what's going to happen when the Island is done with us".

[The Jokeman]

I didn't see anyone else mention it but after Locke was hit by Desmond didn't anyone pay attention to his face? More specifically his reaction when Ben is saying Mr. Locke Mr. Locke etc. I think Desmond might have brought Flocke to the sideways real world and the real Locke back to the island who will likely now lead the charge to get the Lostaways off the island and Jack will tell him they must stay etc causing them to them to replace Smokey and Jacob. Yet with Flocke being in the "real" world it could be dangerous but maybe not since he's still in Locke's body. *shrugs*

[MattyT]

I didn't see anyone else mention it but after Locke was hit by Desmond didn't anyone pay attention to his face? More specifically his reaction when Ben is saying Mr. Locke Mr. Locke etc. I think Desmond might have brought Flocke to the sideways real world and the real Locke back to the island who will likely now lead the charge to get the Lostaways off the island and Jack will tell him they must stay etc causing them to them to replace Smokey and Jacob. Yet with Flocke being in the "real" world it could be dangerous but maybe not since he's still in Locke's body. *shrugs*

[DrDawkinstein]

I didn't see anyone else mention it but after Locke was hit by Desmond didn't anyone pay attention to his face? More specifically his reaction when Ben is saying Mr. Locke Mr. Locke etc. I think Desmond might have brought Flocke to the sideways real world and the real Locke back to the island who will likely now lead the charge to get the Lostaways off the island and Jack will tell him they must stay etc causing them to them to replace Smokey and Jacob. Yet with Flocke being in the "real" world it could be dangerous but maybe not since he's still in Locke's body. *shrugs*

 

it definitely looked like he was "crossing over". not sure about completely trading places. but i believe that sideways Locke was seeing the "real" time line, just like Charlie during his near death experience.

[MattyT]

You guys are good. I thought he just looked like a guy who was very confused as to why someone would run his ass over.

[The Jokeman]

it definitely looked like he was "crossing over". not sure about completely trading places. but i believe that sideways Locke was seeing the "real" time line, just like Charlie during his near death experience.

Perhaps, only time will tell. Yet I just can't see how the writers wouldn't bring real Locke back to the island as he is one of the most beloved/hate to characters on the show and with him and Jack always at odds can't see how they can't be reunited in the end. All in all I felt watching most of the episode that Desmond in the sideworld was very Jacobesque in that he was finding the Lostaways and as mentioned by someone else trying to get them to connect back to the real time line. Also I think the island Desmond was playing Flocke from his line about not having any place to go, to telling him your John Locke. Perhaps the only truth was when he mentioned not being afraid. As it seemed to be an opposite what we heard Sawyer mention about the real John Locke to Flocke. Also Desmond in a well seems interesting as let's not forget that Claire was also in a well earlier this season. What does it all mean? No sure unless all's well that ends well. As perhaps that the purpose of things is to find yourself at peace and once you do you can escape the island. As perhaps the one's stuck on it have some deep rooted issues they have to sort out before can leave or possibly can't if do something say like kill innocents like Libby and are doomed to forever be stuck there. I know early on many felt that the island represents purgatory and it was shot down by the writers really quickly yet not sure it still might not be. As every time I hear Flocke mention he wants off this rock I feel he means more then just the island itself and think he means the Earth.

[duey]

You guys are good. I thought he just looked like a guy who was very confused as to why someone would run his ass over.

LOL You're probably right...we're just in way too deep.

[ajzepp]

Dang, thank God I got through all five seasons in time to be watching S6 with you guys....I'm reading through your posts and I'm getting more confused as to wtf is going on, lol. It sure is fun trying to figure it out, though! I can't believe that only a couple months ago I'd never seen a single episode of this show!

 

BTW, why are you guys calling him "Flocke"?

[duey]

Dang, thank God I got through all five seasons in time to be watching S6 with you guys....I'm reading through your posts and I'm getting more confused as to wtf is going on, lol. It sure is fun trying to figure it out, though! I can't believe that only a couple months ago I'd never seen a single episode of this show!

 

BTW, why are you guys calling him "Flocke"?

Flocke = Fake Locke = MIB = Man In Black

[UConn James]

I didn't see anyone else mention it but after Locke was hit by Desmond didn't anyone pay attention to his face? More specifically his reaction when Ben is saying Mr. Locke Mr. Locke etc. I think Desmond might have brought Flocke to the sideways real world and the real Locke back to the island who will likely now lead the charge to get the Lostaways off the island and Jack will tell him they must stay etc causing them to them to replace Smokey and Jacob. Yet with Flocke being in the "real" world it could be dangerous but maybe not since he's still in Locke's body. *shrugs*

 

This... no. Locke is dead in the original timeline. Still open for consciousnesses to shift between these, but like Ben said, "Dead is dead. You don't get to come back from that." Also, arguably still open for the real Locke to appear in spectral form.

 

it definitely looked like he was "crossing over". not sure about completely trading places. but i believe that sideways Locke was seeing the "real" time line, just like Charlie during his near death experience.

 

This... yes. Physical trauma has been shown to induce the flashes in the sideways world. I don't think Desmond had any other way to connect Locke with his living (read: he will have no memory of anything after Ben killed him. He was dead) island / post-frozen-donkey-wheel experience. Other than showing Locke his 400 knives in an attempt to connect him to his constant , Des is thinking Jack. Locke chose not to go to Jack by free will, so Des offers the much more painful 'course correction.'

 

Perhaps, only time will tell. Yet I just can't see how the writers wouldn't bring real Locke back to the island as he is one of the most beloved/hate to characters on the show and with him and Jack always at odds can't see how they can't be reunited in the end. All in all I felt watching most of the episode that Desmond in the sideworld was very Jacobesque in that he was finding the Lostaways and as mentioned by someone else trying to get them to connect back to the real time line. Also I think the island Desmond was playing Flocke from his line about not having any place to go, to telling him your John Locke. Perhaps the only truth was when he mentioned not being afraid. As it seemed to be an opposite what we heard Sawyer mention about the real John Locke to Flocke. Also Desmond in a well seems interesting as let's not forget that Claire was also in a well earlier this season. What does it all mean? No sure unless all's well that ends well. As perhaps that the purpose of things is to find yourself at peace and once you do you can escape the island. As perhaps the one's stuck on it have some deep rooted issues they have to sort out before can leave or possibly can't if do something say like kill innocents like Libby and are doomed to forever be stuck there. I know early on many felt that the island represents purgatory and it was shot down by the writers really quickly yet not sure it still might not be. As every time I hear Flocke mention he wants off this rock I feel he means more then just the island itself and think he means the Earth.

 

I can see how they wouldn't bring real Locke back to the island --- namely, b/c Jack has taken his place as the island's purpose/fate/destiny spokesman.

 

Otherwise, I'm not so sure that Desmond is "playing" Flocke. In this timeline, Desmond was last on the island on 24 Dec. 2004. He's not up to speed on everything that's happened since. Widmore didn't tell him much of anything. In the sideways world, he's operating much like Locke was in trying to get the O6 together. There's a vague plan to get them all to see flashes of their island experiences, but after that, I'm not so sure he knows what to do... just, he has faith that the pieces will fall into place / the island will do its thing.

 

It does seem to be a purgatory for the lost souls who've passed on. Ana Lucia, Mr. Eko and Charlie all appeared off-island to Hurley, and Suit-Christian appeared to Jack.

 

Dang, thank God I got through all five seasons in time to be watching S6 with you guys....I'm reading through your posts and I'm getting more confused as to wtf is going on, lol. It sure is fun trying to figure it out, though! I can't believe that only a couple months ago I'd never seen a single episode of this show!

 

BTW, why are you guys calling him "Flocke"?

 

Nice of you to join us, aj! I was wondering how far you'd gotten.

 

That's one of the things people miss as they watch all of the episodes straight through. None of the discussion, none of the "Oh, dude! I never would've known/seen/thought that!" moments.

 

FLocke is the term for the MIB/Jacob's nemesis in Locke's form, and is a contraction of "False Locke."

[plenzmd1]

was it just me and my TV, or was their an "aura" or halo or something like that etc around Hugo last night when he was talking with Micheal, when Michael told him he was stuck. I know he had the torch, but this just looked deliberate and I have not seen any other discussion on it.

[UConn James]

Doc Jensen's recap for this week still isn't up, for those wondering.

 

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It's been announced that LOST will be airing next Tuesday with "The Last Recruit," then will have a one-week hiatus where they will replay "Ab Aeterno." The following episode #14 "The Candidate" will air the following Tuesday, 4 May.

[The Jokeman]

Dang, thank God I got through all five seasons in time to be watching S6 with you guys....I'm reading through your posts and I'm getting more confused as to wtf is going on, lol. It sure is fun trying to figure it out, though! I can't believe that only a couple months ago I'd never seen a single episode of this show!

 

BTW, why are you guys calling him "Flocke"?

Sorry for the confusion. As everyone has their own interpretation of what's going on and I'm trying to get there before everyone else. So I've been throwing out a bunch of theories of late as I'm a loyal follower of the show but unlike UConnJames (and think others) I don't venture too far from this board in discussing/researching LOST so many of my opinions aren't shared by many as far as I know.

[duey]

Doc Jensen's recap for this week still isn't up, for those wondering.

It is now...

 

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20360924,00.html

[John Adams]

OK - who's the kid and why is Flocke avoiding him?

 

Jacob. I have no doubt.

[UConn James]

It is now...

 

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20360924,00.html

 

Thanks, duey. I clicked on the 'LOST' heading this morning, looked in 'Recaps' and there was nothing. Maybe I need my vision checked....

 

Part of the recap reminded me of the scene where Hurley speaks to Ilana about Libby, something he'd been unable to do at the funeral back in S2. At that time, he said only a couple of words, mostly about Libby's job and that she had helped him. We got nothing of their budding romance. So, it was nice to see Hurley finally find voice to his feelings. The biggest thing, namely, being 'Why hasn't Libby come to talk with me?' Perhaps he's not ready yet. Perhaps the spirits are less than trustable, perhaps because Libby has made a successful cross-over and is not among the island-dead spirits.

 

But, I would also ask. As Libby was so recently in the mental institution, is it possible that she wasn't on 815 in the sideways world? I'm thinking she probably was, just because, and then checked in to Santa Rosa after having the flashes. Seems a bit early for her to be doing field trips... but this is television.

 

Also, Spanish Johnny's? Could that be Hurley's weird-looking buddy Johnny from "Everybody Hates Hurley"? ... To go along with Doc Jensen's point-out of the Springsteen references (the album where one "Spanish Johnny" is "dressed like dynamite" also had a song titled Rosalita).

 

When Fake Locke asked Desmond if he knew who he was, and Desmond replied ''John Locke,'' did you get the sense that the reason that Fake Locke threw Desmond into the well was because Desmond had stumbled on his big secret — that this Fake Locke thing who's been claiming not to be John Locke all season long really is John Locke?

 

Yes. I thought that thought.

 

So if the Man In Black really isn't Fake Locke, then… who or where is he?

 

He's in the body of Frank Lapidus.

 

Seriously?

 

Sure.

 

Okay, fine. What's your ''genius'' theory for why Sideways Desmond ran down Sideways Locke?

 

Again, another scene that left me chilled and baffled, which made me dig it even more. I think we have to wonder if Sideways Desmond is now fully self-aware with all of his Island memories, past, present and future. I don't think Desmond ran down Sideways Locke for revenge. I think it's possible that Desmond tried to kill Sideways Locke to prevent Fake Locke from migrating into Sideways Locke's body, but that strikes me as cruel that Desmond would basically murder an innocent man just to prevent his future corruption. So I'm thinking the most likely scenario for a hero like Desmond is this: I think Fake Locke has been inside Sideways Locke all along, and Desmond tried to kill him to force Fake Locke back into the Island world.

 

Or maybe Desmond is just a really bad driver. He is from Scotland, you know.

 

I've been keen on that initial question's thought since last season's finale.... That Locke has always been MIB.

[UConn James]

Lost's "Final Flight" final cast shot, featured in TV Guide print edition today.

[ajzepp]

Sorry for the confusion. As everyone has their own interpretation of what's going on and I'm trying to get there before everyone else. So I've been throwing out a bunch of theories of late as I'm a loyal follower of the show but unlike UConnJames (and think others) I don't venture too far from this board in discussing/researching LOST so many of my opinions aren't shared by many as far as I know.

 

Not at all, bro....I enjoy reading about the various speculation and theories you guys have. It's forcing me to sort of keep reviewing the episodes in my brain, which keeps things fresh.

 

James/Duey: Thanks for clearing that up, guys....much appreciated