el Tigre Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 I know we got some ND fans here. Who do you guys think will be your new coach? Stoops,Harbaugh,Kelly or somebody else? I think Harbaugh stays at Stanford and Kelly has too much baggage. I say it's Stoops. What do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartshan-83 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 I'd love Brian Kelly. He has been a winner at every level and his career has a very Urban Meyer-esque arc. He started low, only hangs around for a few years but obviously has higher success on his mind. The job he has done with Cincinnati is outstanding. Plus Cincinnati has an excellent graduation rate ranking which I'm sure ND will strongly consider. I'm unaware of his baggage... Stoops would obviously be incredible and while it's a long shot, it's definitely a better possibility than it was in '02 or '05. One thing I will always credit Weis for is that he restocked the team with talent. He left the team in a more attractive position than he came to it. It would take a huge force to get Stoops out of Norman, but not impossible. I don't really see it happening though. The coach I wanted in '05 is again being brought up...Butch Davis. He built the UM dynasty that Coker destroyed. He is a great recruiter and I think better coach than Weis. My only objections would be (a) he has had some strange losses at UNC and (b) he definitely had a hand in bringing in the type of "character" that caused the U to finally implode on itself. While that culture was already set in place, I can't believe that he didn't perpetuate it. Plus, he has the reputation for quitting on his team unceremoniously (UM and Cleveland). Although that is not really all that rare in college coaching... Harbaugh sees real legit and I see nothing wrong with him. I'd perhaps want a coach with a bit longer of a resume. But I wouldn't be upset, he seems like nothing but a fiery winner. Paul Johnson of G-Tech (formerly Navy). Always loved him at Navy and he has obviously taken G-Tech to the next level. Bring the option back to Notre Dame...suit up Tony Rice and Kevin McDougal! The TCU coach, Gary Patterson, has come up as well, I don't know anything about him except that he took the team that Franchione resurrected and turned it into a perennial winner. Finally, the white whale....Urban Meyer. I'll be honest and say that I harbored dislike for him after he spurned us in '05. Mostly based on jealousy but also on the fact that I thought he took the easy way out with UF. Obviously it was a great career move and his success has been practically uncharted. I think he hit a huge home run with Tebow and I'm not sure he'd have any rings without him. Yes he won the first one with Tebow as role-player but that was still a key role and the rest of the team was Zook's. Still doesn't really take away from what he has accomplished. He is probably the best coach in College Football. I'd probably be happy with all of these guys. It won't be Johnson...switching back to the option would be too dramatic. Urban seems like a long, long shot. Stoops seems pretty unlikely as well, though I wouldn't count it out. There is no real reason why the rest of them wouldn't jump at the right offer though. And like I said, one thing Weis left Notre Dame with is a far more attractive job to potential coaches. Big-time recruits are listening again, the cupboard is stocked with young and veteran talent and, if the right guy can make a good pitch to Clausen and Tate, there is the chance of returning the best offense in the country next year. We shall see.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6d9YtGjxCw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el Tigre Posted December 2, 2009 Author Share Posted December 2, 2009 I'd love Brian Kelly. He has been a winner at every level and his career has a very Urban Meyer-esque arc. He started low, only hangs around for a few years but obviously has higher success on his mind. The job he has done with Cincinnati is outstanding. Plus Cincinnati has an excellent graduation rate ranking which I'm sure ND will strongly consider. I'm unaware of his baggage... There's all kinds of crazy stories floating around about Kelly. From affairs with students and impregnating staffers to not cooperating with cops investigating serious charges against his players and multiple DUI's. I have no idea what's true and what's not. I know he was never even considered for the UM job 2 years ago,even tho he was right in their backyard having success at Grand Valley State and Central Mich. I'm sure ND will check this stuff out and if any of it's true he won't be the choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 There's all kinds of crazy stories floating around about Kelly. From affairs with students and impregnating staffers to not cooperating with cops investigating serious charges against his players and multiple DUI's. I have no idea what's true and what's not. I know he was never even considered for the UM job 2 years ago,even tho he was right in their backyard having success at Grand Valley State and Central Mich. I'm sure ND will check this stuff out and if any of it's true he won't be the choice. O Please.. I live in the Cincy area. If any - any of that crap was true, it would have been plastered all over the media here. If it was, he'd rival the KGB for keeping secrets... I'm reminded of what a poster said in a recent TSW thread about Lynch and Benson - that the CIN staff was angry at Benson because he wouldn't play with injury. Given that I didn't hear, see, or read anything at all about such - and that when I asked the poster where he got this info - no reply was posted - another case of internet B.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartshan-83 Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 There's all kinds of crazy stories floating around about Kelly. From affairs with students and impregnating staffers to not cooperating with cops investigating serious charges against his players and multiple DUI's. I have no idea what's true and what's not. I know he was never even considered for the UM job 2 years ago,even tho he was right in their backyard having success at Grand Valley State and Central Mich. I'm sure ND will check this stuff out and if any of it's true he won't be the choice. Interesting...I never heard of any of that. But like you said, I'm sure ND will do its due diligence with respect to any potential problems. I mean it's not like we were ever burned before by not checking someone's resume..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el Tigre Posted December 2, 2009 Author Share Posted December 2, 2009 O Please.. I live in the Cincy area. If any - any of that crap was true, it would have been plastered all over the media here. If it was, he'd rival the KGB for keeping secrets... I'm reminded of what a poster said in a recent TSW thread about Lynch and Benson - that the CIN staff was angry at Benson because he wouldn't play with injury. Given that I didn't hear, see, or read anything at all about such - and that when I asked the poster where he got this info - no reply was posted - another case of internet B.S. Notice I didn't say any of it was true. It's all stuff from message boards,but it's out there,lots of it. Notre Dame Has an image to protect and I'm sure they will check this stuff out. If it's all BS,he would be a good fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivier in france Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 I know we got some ND fans here. Who do you guys think will be your new coach? Stoops,Harbaugh,Kelly or somebody else? I think Harbaugh stays at Stanford and Kelly has too much baggage. I say it's Stoops. What do you guys think? funny the question comes from a UM fan!! so you're really gonna keep Rodriguez?!! How low do you need to fall because firing him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el Tigre Posted December 2, 2009 Author Share Posted December 2, 2009 funny the question comes from a UM fan!! so you're really gonna keep Rodriguez?!! How low do you need to fall because firing him? Rodriguez will be around at least 1 more year. If he doesn't win 8 games next year,things could get interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 I'd love Brian Kelly. He has been a winner at every level and his career has a very Urban Meyer-esque arc. He started low, only hangs around for a few years but obviously has higher success on his mind. The job he has done with Cincinnati is outstanding. Plus Cincinnati has an excellent graduation rate ranking which I'm sure ND will strongly consider. I'm unaware of his baggage... Stoops would obviously be incredible and while it's a long shot, it's definitely a better possibility than it was in '02 or '05. One thing I will always credit Weis for is that he restocked the team with talent. He left the team in a more attractive position than he came to it. It would take a huge force to get Stoops out of Norman, but not impossible. I don't really see it happening though. The coach I wanted in '05 is again being brought up...Butch Davis. He built the UM dynasty that Coker destroyed. He is a great recruiter and I think better coach than Weis. My only objections would be (a) he has had some strange losses at UNC and (b) he definitely had a hand in bringing in the type of "character" that caused the U to finally implode on itself. While that culture was already set in place, I can't believe that he didn't perpetuate it. Plus, he has the reputation for quitting on his team unceremoniously (UM and Cleveland). Although that is not really all that rare in college coaching... Harbaugh sees real legit and I see nothing wrong with him. I'd perhaps want a coach with a bit longer of a resume. But I wouldn't be upset, he seems like nothing but a fiery winner. Paul Johnson of G-Tech (formerly Navy). Always loved him at Navy and he has obviously taken G-Tech to the next level. Bring the option back to Notre Dame...suit up Tony Rice and Kevin McDougal! The TCU coach, Gary Patterson, has come up as well, I don't know anything about him except that he took the team that Franchione resurrected and turned it into a perennial winner. Finally, the white whale....Urban Meyer. I'll be honest and say that I harbored dislike for him after he spurned us in '05. Mostly based on jealousy but also on the fact that I thought he took the easy way out with UF. Obviously it was a great career move and his success has been practically uncharted. I think he hit a huge home run with Tebow and I'm not sure he'd have any rings without him. Yes he won the first one with Tebow as role-player but that was still a key role and the rest of the team was Zook's. Still doesn't really take away from what he has accomplished. He is probably the best coach in College Football. I'd probably be happy with all of these guys. It won't be Johnson...switching back to the option would be too dramatic. Urban seems like a long, long shot. Stoops seems pretty unlikely as well, though I wouldn't count it out. There is no real reason why the rest of them wouldn't jump at the right offer though. And like I said, one thing Weis left Notre Dame with is a far more attractive job to potential coaches. Big-time recruits are listening again, the cupboard is stocked with young and veteran talent and, if the right guy can make a good pitch to Clausen and Tate, there is the chance of returning the best offense in the country next year. We shall see.... Stoops is probably in play, even though he consistently deflects all talk 'bout the job. He hasn't come out and flatly denied that he'll take the position, so we'll see. Kelly? Maybe. He's the name that keeps being tossed 'round and has become the flavor of the month. He has done a terrific job of getting the UC program to compete on a national level. I love how he said getting his players tickets for the Pittsburgh game was more of a distraction than his name being mentioned as a possible replacement for Weis @ that school. Davis can recruit w/ the best of 'em, that's for sure. Built the dynasty @ the U??? He certainly had a large role in it, but it was Jimmy Johnson who got the U (and the rest of college football) to add athleticism to the lines (guys like Warren Sapp, Cortez Kennedy, and the late Jerome Brown) which gave 'em the jump on everyone else and really helped launch the U. That said, Davis has done a good job of stockpiling UNC w/ talent in recent years, and that school could certainly do worse. There is the challenge of finding the caliber of student athlete that can excel @ that school, but I'm sure Davis could handle it. Harbaugh has done wonders w/ Stanford. He would, if interested, be a nice fit in terms of how he gets the most out of his players and how he relates to players and the media. Would he rather be up for a job @ his alma mater, Michigan? I dunno, but I don't think RICH Rod is on his way out any time soon, anyway. Johnson did a great job @ Navy (especially in '07...hahaha!!!) and is doing more of the same @ Georgia Tech. They could do a whole lot worse, I guess. Has he gotten over his hissy fit from not being selected @ UNC? Also, will that school tolerate his antics in terms of getting in players' faces and will the triple option flexbone work w/ that school's current personnel? Patterson signed an extension through 2016. He ain't goin' nowhere. I really don't see Meyer leaving UF for that school. He's got it good there: 2 (maybe 3) national titles, excellent weather, and top notch recruiting. There's nothing that school can offer that he cannot get in Gainesville, other than history and tradition. If those were big selling points for Meyer, wouldn't he have taken the job the first time out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Notice I didn't say any of it was true. It's all stuff from message boards,but it's out there,lots of it. Notre Dame Has an image to protect and I'm sure they will check this stuff out. If it's all BS,he would be a good fit. What *message* boards? Do you have, as it is said...a link to them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartshan-83 Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Davis can recruit w/ the best of 'em, that's for sure. Built the dynasty @ the U??? He certainly had a large role in it, but it was Jimmy Johnson who got the U (and the rest of college football) to add athleticism to the lines (guys like Warren Sapp, Cortez Kennedy, and the late Jerome Brown) which gave 'em the jump on everyone else and really helped launch the U. That said, Davis has done a good job of stockpiling UNC w/ talent in recent years, and that school could certainly do worse. There is the challenge of finding the caliber of student athlete that can excel @ that school, but I'm sure Davis could handle it. I wasn't trying to credit Davis for Miami's grand ascension into the elite, just for building the the early 2000s team that seemed to produce multiple 1st round picks every year. He took over a program that Dennis Erickson mangled (and I'm sure Jimmy Johnson's hands weren't clean) and rebuilt Miami with one-hand behind his back due to the NCAA sanctions. The amount of pure talent he was able to bring into that school was insane. Plus, apparently Miami had pretty good graduation rates under his watch, which I would have never guessed. Johnson did a great job @ Navy (especially in '07...hahaha!!!) and is doing more of the same @ Georgia Tech. They could do a whole lot worse, I guess. Has he gotten over his hissy fit from not being selected @ UNC? Also, will that school tolerate his antics in terms of getting in players' faces and will the triple option flexbone work w/ that school's current personnel? Weis was no pushover when he first got to campus. He may not have screamed and hollered as much as Johnson, but he was pretty rough from what I've heard. Either way, I think ND wouldn't have a problem with a tough coach. I agree that the switch back to an option offense would be too dramatic though. It would be akin to the challenge RichRod is having in Ann Arbor. Although, part of me wouldn't mind seeing ND get back the running game. The spread is fun, but the results speak for themselves. Patterson signed an extension through 2016. He ain't goin' nowhere. Wasn't aware...I really don't know much about him. Although, extensions seems to hold about as much weight as pinkie promises in the world of college football coaching. I really don't see Meyer leaving UF for that school. He's got it good there: 2 (maybe 3) national titles, excellent weather, and top notch recruiting. There's nothing that school can offer that he cannot get in Gainesville, other than history and tradition. If those were big selling points for Meyer, wouldn't he have taken the job the first time out? I'd agree that Meyer is a big longshot for the reasons you stated, which have always been the case. The only reason I think he might come would be his off-and-on comments about ND which show me that there obviously is a little bit of an internal struggle going on. Plus, I think this go-around is a different situation as last time. In '05, Meyer was the hot up and coming coach. Everyone wanted him, but his reputation wasn't cemented yet. Winning at UF the way he has will give him a free multi-year pass at whatever school he goes to next (if he chooses to leave). That wouldn't have been the case in South Bend 5 years ago. If he had struggled, he'd be out on the street like Weis. While I begrudged his decision back then, he made the best career move he could have by entering a situation setup for success and taking advantage. Now, he is a far bigger power broker than he ever was. Even if he went to ND and failed, he is now the established party and if he left, it would look like Notre Dame's failure more than his. He would lose a lot less. Basically, this was my long-winded way of saying it would be far less of a career gamble for him this time and if he really wanted it, that might give him the peace of mind that prevented him from taking it 5 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el Tigre Posted December 2, 2009 Author Share Posted December 2, 2009 What *message* boards? Do you have, as it is said...a link to them? I don't know how I could link dozens of posts,mostly on boards in the Rivals network,I've seen over the past 3 years or so. It was very heavy a couple years back when UM was looking for a coach,and has increased again recently with the ND job opening. Every time someone would bring up Kelly's name in connection to the UM job,somebody else would start with some of this junk. Again,for the third time,I don't know if there is any truth to any of it. But I've never seen so much crazy crap posted about any other coach.It seems,if nothing else, he has made some enemies along the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el Tigre Posted December 2, 2009 Author Share Posted December 2, 2009 I'm sure ND will do its due diligence with respect to any potential problems. I mean it's not like we were ever burned before by not checking someone's resume..... Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivier in france Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Rodriguez will be around at least 1 more year. If he doesn't win 8 games next year,things could get interesting. frankly do you still trust him? do you feel it's gonna work? i'm no MU fan but it makes me sad to see you in that sorry state and Rodriguez looks like he has no clue what he's doing there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Whomever ND is going to bring they better get on the ball. They've already had a couple of top prospect de-commit since Weis was let go, one of them being a 5 Star Prospect DE named Chris Martin who is the 3rd highest rated DE in the nation. The fallout from this could be tremendous with players leaving early for the draft, transfers, and de-commitments in recruiting. This whole thing could set the program back even further to where they are possibly staring down the barrel of another 3-9 type of season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 I don't know how I could link dozens of posts,mostly on boards in the Rivals network,I've seen over the past 3 years or so. It was very heavy a couple years back when UM was looking for a coach,and has increased again recently with the ND job opening. Every time someone would bring up Kelly's name in connection to the UM job,somebody else would start with some of this junk. Again,for the third time,I don't know if there is any truth to any of it. But I've never seen so much crazy crap posted about any other coach.It seems,if nothing else, he has made some enemies along the way. Sorry - I don't mean to rag on you. Sounds like he's got some bunch hounding him - for what reason, who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveRalph Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 I thought that what I wanted was Charlie Weis to fail miserably. I thought I wanted to see that smug bastard with egg all over his face. I thought I wanted to see him lose so many games, he was unable to keep his job. Well, I got all of those things...And I wish he was still there. He made Notre Dame interesting, and gave me a reason to root against them, rather than to just be indifferent towards them. I used to flip on NBC and root like hell for Purdue like I was Gene Keady. I loved watching that arrogant prick Weis get frustrated and blame his players, refs, and everyone in close proximity (which "close proximity" to Weis's frame is actually the entire stadium.) Now, they are back to being just another run-of-the-mill midwestern school (sans the national TV contract) with a .500 record who I couldn't care less about. They have been also-rans on the national stage for 15 years and they are fooling themsleves- in my opinion- with the dreams of Stoops or Meyer leaving their big time programs. Notre Dame isn't the "step up" in the coaching world that they think they are. They need to focus on the Big East and MAC coaches. Personally, I think Dick J would be a great fit. He has Chicago ties, he's a molder of men, and 7 wins at ND would be an improvement, and Dick has proven that he knows how to win 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartshan-83 Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 I loved watching that arrogant prick Weis get frustrated and blame his players, refs, and everyone in close proximity (which "close proximity" to Weis's frame is actually the entire stadium.) A lot of people have problems with Weis, and he deserves a lot it for how he came to Notre Dame, but please. Find me one quote where he threw his players under the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveRalph Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 A lot of people have problems with Weis, and he deserves a lot it for how he came to Notre Dame, but please. Find me one quote where he threw his players under the bus. I agree, much of it has to do with the way he barnstormed into South Bend and basically polished his Super Bowl rings and looked down his nose at every college coach in America. As for quotes, off the top of my head, after the ND UM game in September. I looked briefly but could not find the exact quote on the intertubes. But I heard it in a press conference, not sure if it was day of the game, day after the game, or what- When he was being questioned at his press for passing twice at the end of the game instead of running the ball and burning clock/UM timeouts, Weis stated, "I didn't call the pass plays to be incompletions." Basically, "I called the right plays, the players screwed up." _______________________________________ And after the Navy game: Q. I don't know whether you saw any comments from players after the game, but one of the comments Ian Williams said was they just out-schemed us and I think they just played harder. COACH WEIS: Well, I didn't read anything as you would imagine, but I did hear quite contrasting answers to the same question. I think that question was presented to Ian (Williams), it was also presented to Kyle McCarthy, and from what I understand, Kyle McCarthy's answer was quite different, where he said it had nothing to do with the scheme. So there's a reason why one guy is a captain and one guy is not. Basically, "My scheme is never the problem. And don't criticize me if you want to be a captain." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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