Red Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 You have a first rounder invested in Lynch, he is 23 years of age with a lot of years left in the NFL. Why would you trade him. He is a good back, having a rough year. Jackson is solid and is having a better year, yes. But the fact is, this line is the worst in the NFL, Jackson is pushing 30 and Lynch has plenty of years left at 23. If you trade Lynch, you will just have to get another RB in the Draft once Freddy is done in 2-3 years. I do not understand y everyone is hating on Lynch. After Every game we see the same F'in thread about how Lynch is horrible. NO ONE said Lynch was bad last year when he made the ProBowl. Everyone loved him and his toughness. Now we have the worst O-line in the league and Freddy is doing better with this horrible line and you want your 23 year old, first round draft selection, who has shown promise to be traded so you will eventually have to waste another draft pick on another running back (willis Mcgahee); it doesn't make any sense. Why not save that future draft pick for a good lineman to help this guy. Or maybe draft a good DE like Orakpo to help our pass rush. And anyways, you need two RB's in the NFL, so why not just use both of them? I am REALLY getting sick of all the Marshawn hate. The guy is a monster to bring down, get this guy a O-line before you sell him out of Buffalo. Yeah, I agree. To paraphrase Roscoe Parrish, I think this year Marshawn is guilty of "trying to do too much" instead of just rushing into the hole and pounding out some yards. Marshawn knows that the O-line is currently weak, injured, and inexperienced. We have also heard from Jackson about how a running back needs to get into a rythym offensively to contribute. Marshawn suspended himself for the first 3 games, and has never gotten into a rythym this year. The offensive line is a huge reason why. Marshawn is guilty of dancing too much this season, but last year he was one tough S.O.B. and it takes a team of tacklers to bring down Lynch when he is playing. My only advice to him would be to stop dancing, and hit the hole. Not to mention the fact that Lynch and Jackson are different types of backs. Why you want to trade away that?
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 If Lynch l;oses 20 lbs he would regain his burst and be good again.. Hold onto him and re-motivate him with our new coach, whoever he is. If he gets in shpae he would be great again.
thewildrabbit Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Your arguement to keep Marshawn is right on; better to have two quality backs. BUT your apologist attitude towards least mode is a joke. Using your logic, Freddy should be having a bad year because of the worst o-line in the NFL. Instead he does very well when he is in there, as the starter. Least mode is a problem of the field and runs like he thinks he's Barry Sanders. He needs to run hard to and through the hole, not dance around them. So, keep 'em both. Let Freddy start and get 90% of the touches and bring in Marshawn when he needs a breath or gets hurt. Marshawn does have great upside (if he doesn't get banned) but is the second best back on this team today. The problem with that is not only their ages but also how they are built physically. Marshawn is a freight train and Jackson is a Jaguar. Throwing Jackson into the defense first will only get him hurt and worn down faster. It is good to see the Bills have 2 backs with different styles that can get the job done.
mrags Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 I am just so glad I was right about Lynch before the season started when all the Beast Mode lovers were talking about him being the next Walter Payton. He really needs to get smarter on and off the football field. I never doubted his abilities, or physical play. I always did doubt his smarts. If he just learned the right thing to do he could be much better. And I agree with your thoughts about the Pro-Bowl comment. He was given the award as an alternate, that means nothing IMO.
Alaska Darin Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Marshawn's problem is that he thinks he's on dancing with the stars. He needs to hit the !@#$ing hole not prance around. If he'd just take that damn handoff and run straight ahead he'd gain twice as many yards. Perhaps if he ran smack into the back of the OL once in a while they'd be incentivised to open up some holes. It looks to me like the guy just doesn't have the vision to be a RB in the NFL. I'm curious as to how many games we've lost because Lynch can't find the creases that Jackson regularly does. It's been pretty obvious to me Jackson has been the better player for virtually his entire tenure. It's nice to have a coach who only took a couple of weeks to recognize the same thing.
SouthernMan Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Fred Jackson gained more yards per carry than Lynch in each of the three seasons they've been on the team. Lynch isn't terrible. He's not some kind of warmed-over Jonathan Linton who deserves to be cut and forgotten about. But he's one more high draft pick that didn't live up to potential, and eventually lost his job to an undrafted backup. For all the over-analysis and the Lynch apologists and excuse makers, you summed it up perfectly. Lynch's stop-and-start style of running may be suited to college ball's inferior all around speed and strength, where he can use his power, but I don't see him as much more than a short-yardage goal line specialist in the quicker, stronger NFL. If the league were to give out awards for East-West running, he'll be a top candidate. Us old-timers remember that mid-80's Bill's running back, Ronnie Harmon, had a similar propensity. His eventual departure made way for Thurman Thomas as the feature back. For those making the "if he had a better line" excuse, then why does Freddie have little trouble gaining yards? If we had a great line, we wouldn't need a 1st round, overpaid RB, who has a knack for finding himself on the wrong side of the law. If he's truly worth anything, then we should be able to get a decent draft pick for him. But I doubt he's fetch much more than a 3rd rounder.
NoName Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 You have a first rounder invested in Lynch, he is 23 years of age with a lot of years left in the NFL. Why would you trade him. He is a good back, having a rough year. Jackson is solid and is having a better year, yes. But the fact is, this line is the worst in the NFL, Jackson is pushing 30 and Lynch has plenty of years left at 23. If you trade Lynch, you will just have to get another RB in the Draft once Freddy is done in 2-3 years. I do not understand y everyone is hating on Lynch. After Every game we see the same F'in thread about how Lynch is horrible. NO ONE said Lynch was bad last year when he made the ProBowl. Everyone loved him and his toughness. Now we have the worst O-line in the league and Freddy is doing better with this horrible line and you want your 23 year old, first round draft selection, who has shown promise to be traded so you will eventually have to waste another draft pick on another running back (willis Mcgahee); it doesn't make any sense. Why not save that future draft pick for a good lineman to help this guy. Or maybe draft a good DE like Orakpo to help our pass rush. And anyways, you need two RB's in the NFL, so why not just use both of them? I am REALLY getting sick of all the Marshawn hate. The guy is a monster to bring down, get this guy a O-line before you sell him out of Buffalo. Outstanding Post!!!!!!!!! This guy knows what he is talking about
San Jose Bills Fan Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 I've posted before many times that Jackson and Lynch were rookies the same year. In every year of their careers, Jackson has had the higher yards per carry AND yards per reception. I've stated often that the trouble with Lynch (the cause of his dancing?) seems to be a lack of vision and/or running instincts. A player doesn't need a high IQ to possess these traits. Usually with a running back it doesn't take them too long to maximize their runs. I'm not sure if Marshawn will ever improve. A running backs job is to maximize his blocking, regardless of how good or bad that blocking is. If Lynch l;oses 20 lbs he would regain his burst and be good again.. Hold onto him and re-motivate him with our new coach, whoever he is. If he gets in shpae he would be great again. I will admit that this is an interesting thought. Marshawn's time in the forty at the combine was quite good, 4.46 seconds. He was listed at 215 pounds. Maybe, just maybe he's lost some of his quickness and that the overemphasis on power ("Beast Mode") which his fans seem to like has actually detracted from his abilities. Early in his career he seemed like a good goal line back. There's still hope for him. As far as trading him, only if the right offer comes up (just like trading any player). At this point I would personally take any pick inside the first three rounds for him.
CFLstyle Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Lynch is great when he`s on. He`s struggling right now, but he`s still really young, and has most of his career in front of him. If we let him go to another team, he`ll turn out to be great. Jackson only has a couple of years left anyway, there is no reason to get rid of Beast Mode.
csc06258 Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 He doesnt have the typical NFL wear and tear like most...his path was a little different but overall good observation. He most likely has a good 2-3 years left. He has plenty of wear and tear. He didn't just start playing football. He was carrying a heavy load on the other teams he played for before he entered the NFL. So don't just think he is like some rookie to taking hits.
csc06258 Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Outstanding Post!!!!!!!!!This guy knows what he is talking about Thank you noname
billsfan_34 Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 He has plenty of wear and tear. He didn't just start playing football. He was carrying a heavy load on the other teams he played for before he entered the NFL. So don't just think he is like some rookie to taking hits. OK...but the NFL is alot more physical than coe college, indoor league and NFL europe. Thanks.
SpecialK15 Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 I like Jackson as the starter, but keep in mind of his age. Marshawn is much younger and having youth at RB is important too. NE can have older RBs on their team because they had 5 at the beginning of the season to spread out the load. Think back to when Tiki Barber retired. He still had very productive seasons in his final two, but an injury to an older RB (~30 yrs old) can easily end his career.
bdelma Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Jackson is going to be 29 in a couple of months....1 year away from the age a majority of RBs hit the wall. Hasn't played that much over his career, He isn't LT carrying the ball 25 times a game for the past 8 years.
cantankerous Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Perhaps if he ran smack into the back of the OL once in a while they'd be incentivised to open up some holes. LOL that was great.
drg2021 Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Typically though Mike on teams with two backs, the second guy almost always has more yards (with the exception of Peterson, he's just a freak). I think Marshawn's problem this year was the bulking up this off-season and the suspension. If we have a solid line next year and he loses like 5-10 pounds, I think both of them have a place. We cannot give up depth in one of the few spots we have it - IMO. Thats because he gets the munchies from blowin down
DrDawkinstein Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 I am just so glad I was right about Lynch before the season started when all the Beast Mode lovers were talking about him being the next Walter Payton. He really needs to get smarter on and off the football field. I never doubted his abilities, or physical play. I always did doubt his smarts. If he just learned the right thing to do he could be much better. And I agree with your thoughts about the Pro-Bowl comment. He was given the award as an alternate, that means nothing IMO. so you are HAPPY to see players on our team perform poorly, just so you can be "right on the internet"?!? Congrats, you are everything that is wrong with Bills fans lately.
Jerry Jabber Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 I like both Lynch & Jackson. Even though Lynch has gotten into trouble a couple of times, I still like the guy. Seeing Lynch run 8-10 yards into the endzone while taking 7-8 guys with him (more than once) was incredible to see. But, IMO you should start the guy who is playing the best, regardless of who they are, how much they're getting paid and how high they were drafted at. Jackson is playing much better than Lynch this season, so he should be starting.
silvermike Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 As above, I'm a big Jackson supporter over Lynch. But I don't think we should cut Marshawn/trade him for low round picks. He's unlikely to have much in the way of trade value and he's not going to save us money if we cut him. At least, not much. He is a better-than-replacement guy. We'd lose something if we ditched him and gave more carries to Omon or something. But he's not the starting-caliber back on this team, and we should play him accordingly. Fewell seems to be going in that direction.
Adam Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Marshawn's problem is that he thinks he's on dancing with the stars. He needs to hit the !@#$ing hole not prance around. If he'd just take that damn handoff and run straight ahead he'd gain twice as many yards. Perhaps if he ran smack into the back of the OL once in a while they'd be incentivised to open up some holes. I'm starting to think that they should beef him up in the offseason and turn him into a FB. Where is Stacy Keibler when you need her......
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