PromoTheRobot Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 Only one NFL championship-winning coach ever won a second one with a new team. That was Weeb Ewbanks with the '59 Colts and '69 Jets. You don't give $50M and a piece of the team just to lose Super Bowl #5. You may think it's better than going 7-9 but trust me, losing the big one hurts the worst of all. PTR
Dan Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 Only one NFL championship-winning coach ever won a second one with a new team. That was Weeb Ewbanks with the '59 Colts and '69 Jets. You don't give $50M and a piece of the team just to lose Super Bowl #5. You may think it's better than going 7-9 but trust me, losing the big one hurts the worst of all. PTR I agree. However, IMO, the first step for the Bills must be to establish credibility and a winning atmosphere again. Muddling along with mediocre coaches and players makes that difficult to accomplish. However, bringing in a Shanahan adds instant credibility to the franchise. With that being said, the Cariucci (sp?) article concerns me. Because it brings into light what may be the cost of that credibility. Is it worth it? I honestly don't know. But I guess we can cross that bridges a few years from now.
ajzepp Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 The Carucci article gave me pause, too, although Martyball is my first choice anyway.
PromoTheRobot Posted November 25, 2009 Author Posted November 25, 2009 That is a lot of money just to make the playoffs. And I have been a Bills fan long enough to know that nothing short of a SB ring will soothe the fans. In fact the higher we go and fall short will make people even crazier. I don't know. This whole thing smells like a Dan Snyder/buy-a-championship desperation move. And three years from now the same media pundits mocking us for trying to hire Shannahan will be mocking us for spending a king's ransom and losing in the wild-card round. PTR
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 Along the same line, there's very few coaches older than 50 who've ever won. Again Weeb was one and I beleive there was one other. Most of these proven guys who have already won, go to another team, now older they seem to lose the drive a bit. Only one NFL championship-winning coach ever won a second one with a new team. That was Weeb Ewbanks with the '59 Colts and '69 Jets. You don't give $50M and a piece of the team just to lose Super Bowl #5. You may think it's better than going 7-9 but trust me, losing the big one hurts the worst of all. PTR
Cornerville Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 You know what is amazing: it seems that everyone JUST focuses on winning the Super Bowl. Look it is VERY VERY hard to even get to a Super Bowl, yet win it. But you know what I miss most of all? Going to see the Bills in person, going to a bar, watching the game at home, and have a GENUINE joy and intensity to watch the Bills, thinking to yourself that you actually BELIEVE they might have a chance to win it all. THAT is what I miss the most. And to me that is one of the best things about being a sports fan. Id rather take my chances and lose the Super Bowl over and over then finish 5-11, be irrelevant, and have ZERO juice for the Bills.
PromoTheRobot Posted November 25, 2009 Author Posted November 25, 2009 You know what is amazing: it seems that everyone JUST focuses on winning the Super Bowl. Look it is VERY VERY hard to even get to a Super Bowl, yet win it. But you know what I miss most of all? Going to see the Bills in person, going to a bar, watching the game at home, and have a GENUINE joy and intensity to watch the Bills, thinking to yourself that you actually BELIEVE they might have a chance to win it all. THAT is what I miss the most. And to me that is one of the best things about being a sports fan. Id rather take my chances and lose the Super Bowl over and over then finish 5-11, be irrelevant, and have ZERO juice for the Bills. Did you live through '91-'94? Trust me, those happy-just-to-be competitive feelings fade pretty fast. You say you'd gladly accept SB loss #5 but it will hurt worse than the other 4 combined! Face it. If Shanny comes to Buffalo it will be the LAST move the Bills make. There will be no Plan B. PTR
wnyguy Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 Did you live through '91-'94? Trust me, those happy-just-to-be competitive feelings fade pretty fast. You say you'd gladly accept SB loss #5 but it will hurt worse than the other 4 combined! Face it. If Shanny comes to Buffalo it will be the LAST move the Bills make. There will be no Plan B. PTR Of course it would hurt, but I'd be willing to take the chance of being hurt then never having the chance in the first place.
In space no one can hear Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 Only one NFL championship-winning coach ever won a second one with a new team. That was Weeb Ewbanks with the '59 Colts and '69 Jets. You don't give $50M and a piece of the team just to lose Super Bowl #5. You may think it's better than going 7-9 but trust me, losing the big one hurts the worst of all. PTR So it's better to go 7-9, than it is to make the playoffs, advance in the playoffs and then lose in the Super Bowl? Sorry, that is such a loser mentality. Your doom and gloom is depressing.
Dan Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 That is a lot of money just to make the playoffs. And I have been a Bills fan long enough to know that nothing short of a SB ring will soothe the fans. In fact the higher we go and fall short will make people even crazier. I don't know. This whole thing smells like a Dan Snyder/buy-a-championship desperation move. And three years from now the same media pundits mocking us for trying to hire Shannahan will be mocking us for spending a king's ransom and losing in the wild-card round. PTR It'll almost certainly be spun that wyay by a numbe of pundits and posters; however, I disagree. These same pundits and posters have been saying for years that this is a coaching league. That is, with FA, salary caps, and parity all teams have roughly equal talent. What separates the contenders from the pretenders is coaching. So, we need a good coach. If Cowher does take a job, it'll certainly be in the same ballpark salarywise. Heck, Shanahan is making $7mill for doing nothing. Someone is going to pay him more than that to get him. Is he worth it? Well, who knows. But, if you want him, it's going to take some serious coinage. I do agree, it's one heck of a price just to make the playoffs. But, there's no guarantee in any decision. We tried the strong GM role with TD. That failed. We tried the hot coordinators. That failed. We tried the experienced, but cheap coach. That failed. Now, looks like we're trying the big name coach with rings approach. You're absolutely right, no other team has been successful with that. However, seeing as it's Ralph's money, I'm all for it. Bring in some credibility. Bring in some positive attitude. Make the playoffs. Then in 4 years, fire the guy and try to get over that final hump. IMO, it'll be easy to break the cycle the Bills are currently in with a name coach as opposed to an unproven guy. It will be interesting to see what they do about the players, though. Regardless of who the coach/GM is, I'm not sure Buffalo can afford the signing bonuses the top FA's, ala Hansworth, demand. So, although Carucci's artivle is concerning, I'm not sure Shanahan could operate like that even if he wanted to. Perhaps that will give Ralph the out when he quits because he can't spend like a drunken sailor.
Cornerville Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 Did you live through '91-'94? Trust me, those happy-just-to-be competitive feelings fade pretty fast. You say you'd gladly accept SB loss #5 but it will hurt worse than the other 4 combined! Face it. If Shanny comes to Buffalo it will be the LAST move the Bills make. There will be no Plan B. PTR I well lived through the Super Bowl years, and it was a very exciting time to be a Bills fan....sure the SB losses hurt a ton, but Ill take my chances over 7-9 and its hard to win in the NFL type coaches.
Cornerville Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 So it's better to go 7-9, than it is to make the playoffs, advance in the playoffs and then lose in the Super Bowl? Sorry, that is such a loser mentality. Your doom and gloom is depressing. +100000 Seriously, 7-9 > losing a Super Bowl? Me think promo has been brainwashed by ESPN or New England fans
DarthICE Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 Look 'Buffalo' is going to be ripped by the media no matter what it does. This team is a small market team that has been a joke in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 2000's. For all but a few seasons, this entire franchise has been worthless and one of the biggest jokes in the NFL. Regardless of what some people say, Ralph has been cheap and it has gotten out that he is an extreme meddler (see AJ. Smith, Butler, Donahoe). and here is the bottom line folks, Buffalo its self isn't a great place to live. The Bills, the 'Candian Ballet' and Shoveling snow is about all there is. So hire Shanahan, don't hire him, win a superbowl, dont win one, this team and city will NEVER be a media darling.
PromoTheRobot Posted November 25, 2009 Author Posted November 25, 2009 All I'm saying is that people think Shanny is a guaranteed ticket to a title. Meanwhile most SB winners are teams built from the ground up, not bought. Let's hope it works. PTR
Cornerville Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 All I'm saying is that people think Shanny is a guaranteed ticket to a title. Meanwhile most SB winners are teams built from the ground up, not bought. Let's hope it works. PTR There are 'some' that might think that way...I do not. Well if the bills did commit to Shanny for 5 years, he would build it from the ground up, hiring a big time coach is only PART of the issue, but man is it a nice 1st step. Face it: The Bills, based on their practices over the last 10 years and the rep they have, need to overpay for a big time coach. if so, then let it be so.
tennesseeboy Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 whoa...so shanahan is taking us to the superbowl? I think many on this board have very unrealistic expectations.
Lofton80 Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 Shanahan would build from the ground up too. We will likely have a top 5 draft pick, so it is pretty close to the ground. Shanahan, like Weeb Ewbank has won a few games which is a good start if you want to win a championship. There is no guarantee regardless of who is brought in, contrast that to hiring Dick Jauron, a career loser. I am all for Shanahan and applaud Ralph for taking a run at him.
Dan Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 All I'm saying is that people think Shanny is a guaranteed ticket to a title. Meanwhile most SB winners are teams built from the ground up, not bought. Let's hope it works. PTR To be fair, almost any coach will have some people thinking its a ticket to a title. But, more importantly, I don't see paying top dollar for a HC as trying to buy a championship in the same way as bringing in every top FA on the market. Paying top dollar to a quality HC is just paving the way for winning team to built from the ground up. Of course, he could try to bring every high-priced FA as well. But, that would be another discussion.
Tortured Soul Posted November 25, 2009 Posted November 25, 2009 Only one NFL championship-winning coach ever won a second one with a new team. That was Weeb Ewbanks with the '59 Colts and '69 Jets. You don't give $50M and a piece of the team just to lose Super Bowl #5. You may think it's better than going 7-9 but trust me, losing the big one hurts the worst of all. PTR This has been thrown around a lot, but is there any reason to believe it's anything more than a coincidence? By my count, four coaches got to the Superbowl with multiple teams and won it with at least one - Shula, Parcells, Holmgren and Vermeil. Of those, Shula and Vermeil lost with their first team and won it with their second. Parcells and Holmgren won with their first team and lost with their second. BTW, Ewbank was only 130-129 for his career, 4-1 in the postseason. He won his championships with the Colts when there was only one playoff round (the championship) and with the Jets when there were two.
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