billsfanone Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Islam is such a peaceful religion: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138828,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VabeachBledsoefan Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Islam is such a peaceful religion: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138828,00.html 122524[/snapback] So lets make a buck off all the violence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 So lets make a buck off all the violence 122525[/snapback] Like Michael Moore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VabeachBledsoefan Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Like Michael Moore? 122534[/snapback] i never said that was right...but we do have freedoms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RabidBillsFanVT Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 And Christians never, ever mutilated, tortured, or imprisoned wrongly others?? Ohh noooo; that's impossible!! Your generalization is utterly ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 And Christians never, ever mutilated, tortured, or imprisoned wrongly others?? Ohh noooo; that's impossible!! Your generalization is utterly ridiculous. 122752[/snapback] THOUSANDS of years ago. And don't give me the Nazis. They were no more Christian than Muslims are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 THOUSANDS of years ago. And don't give me the Nazis. They were no more Christian than Muslims are. 122754[/snapback] How many thousands of years ago was the Inquisition? How about the Salem Witch Trials? And I'm sorry to break it to you, anyone who has studied 20th century European history cannot deny the fact that the Germans were predominantly Christian also. In fact, they felt they had a mandate from God to eliminate all of the "unpure races." Or perhaps you just forgot about that whole Holy Roman Empire thingy. But either way, Germans were Christians. Now if you meant they weren't "good" Christians, I'd argue that the terrorists killing in the name of their god aren't "good" Muslims. Like those I listed above, the terrorists use their god to brainwash themselves and the masses that their actions are justifiable and appropriate. It's nothing new throughout history, but as a history major, I'm sure you already knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Jarhead Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 And Christians never, ever mutilated, tortured, or imprisoned wrongly others?? Ohh noooo; that's impossible!! Your generalization is utterly ridiculous. 122752[/snapback] We're talking about HERE and NOW fool. I can't control what was done hundreds and thousands of years ago. Show me where Christians today are doing what you suggested. Typical of the blame America first crowd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 We're talking about HERE and NOW fool. I can't control what was done hundreds and thousands of years ago. Show me where Christians today are doing what you suggested. Typical of the blame America first crowd... 122823[/snapback] Umm, no. Look, Islam has been around for a lot shorter of a period of time than the Judeo-Christian tradition. Basically the argument here is that Islam is inextricably linked with violence. Perhaps someone of a more violent Christian era would argue the same thing of that religion. It is not so far-fetched. The middle ages were brutal -- monarchies were deemed to have the authority of God, and they did some pretty awful things for entertainment on the weekends. We have tunnel vision; claiming that Islam is the reason for the violence is an easy out that allows one to avoid looking for a real solution (instead, "nuke 'em all") that might involve trying to help other people make their lives better. Go tell a Muslim woman who is doing everything in her power to help lift her fellow Afghan women from oppression that she is evil and everything she believes in is a lie. It won't rest on my conscience. Basically, you can look at the religion from a fundamentalist point of view (and those who tend to do so with Islam tend to do so with their reading of Christianity as well), or you can look at the guides for living within a religion from a progressive standpoint and understand how one can make people's lives better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RabidBillsFanVT Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Umm, no. Look, Islam has been around for a lot shorter of a period of time than the Judeo-Christian tradition. Basically the argument here is that Islam is inextricably linked with violence. Perhaps someone of a more violent Christian era would argue the same thing of that religion. It is not so far-fetched. The middle ages were brutal -- monarchies were deemed to have the authority of God, and they did some pretty awful things for entertainment on the weekends. We have tunnel vision; claiming that Islam is the reason for the violence is an easy out that allows one to avoid looking for a real solution (instead, "nuke 'em all") that might involve trying to help other people make their lives better. Go tell a Muslim woman who is doing everything in her power to help lift her fellow Afghan women from oppression that she is evil and everything she believes in is a lie. It won't rest on my conscience. Basically, you can look at the religion from a fundamentalist point of view (and those who tend to do so with Islam tend to do so with their reading of Christianity as well), or you can look at the guides for living within a religion from a progressive standpoint and understand how one can make people's lives better. 122871[/snapback] Eloquently put... Your response very much explains the whole matter in a nutshell: Historical parallels, and explaining why you can't label everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RabidBillsFanVT Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 We're talking about HERE and NOW fool. I can't control what was done hundreds and thousands of years ago. Show me where Christians today are doing what you suggested. Typical of the blame America first crowd... 122823[/snapback] Fool? HERE and NOW? Funny, but YOUR idea of the here and now involves terrorists who obviously are ALL Islamic extremists who fight JUST BECAUSE they hate America, and JUST BECAUSE they 'LOOOOOOVE' violence. I'M not the fool in this argument! Ohh, and I forgot... All Islamic peoples are this way! Typical of the Blame the One Group and Kill All Muslims crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdh1 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Umm, no. Look, Islam has been around for a lot shorter of a period of time than the Judeo-Christian tradition. 122871[/snapback] So true. So tell me how come Muslims claim to have rights to all the holy cities and sites in the Middle East, when they were important to Jews and Christians long before anyone heard of Islam? And how did those areas that were almost all jewish and christian become muslim? So do you think an couple of teenages in short sleeve dress shirts and ties went door to door with the Koran, to get people to convert? Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Jarhead Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Fool? HERE and NOW? Funny, but YOUR idea of the here and now involves terrorists who obviously are ALL Islamic extremists who fight JUST BECAUSE they hate America, and JUST BECAUSE they 'LOOOOOOVE' violence. I'M not the fool in this argument! Ohh, and I forgot... All Islamic peoples are this way! Typical of the Blame the One Group and Kill All Muslims crowd. 122890[/snapback] First off all, show me where I EVER posted or implied that ALL Muslims are terrorists. You can't. However, you make a foolish arguement in trying to equate Christians of this day and age with Islamic Terrorists because of what past Christians have done. We are fighting to free people from repression while Islamic Terrorists are fighting to keep their women and populace enslaved by their failed religious culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman's Helmet Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Will somebody PLEASE think of the Crusades????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RabidBillsFanVT Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 First off all, show me where I EVER posted or implied that ALL Muslims are terrorists. You can't. However, you make a foolish arguement in trying to equate Christians of this day and age with Islamic Terrorists because of what past Christians have done. We are fighting to free people from repression while Islamic Terrorists are fighting to keep their women and populace enslaved by their failed religious culture. 123496[/snapback] Why, because it is TRUE?? Do you NEVER want to see history for what it is worth? Do you have ANY idea how many people were enslaved under a Catholic system for hundreds of years?? Have you ever HEARD of Huguenots? Pope Leo? Cesare Borgia? Marie De Medici? the Guises? NO, I guess not. I NEVER said ANYTHING about Christians of today. MY POINT was that radical Islamists are NO different than radical Christians of an earlier age. When someone makes this huge generalization about a religion, I'm gonna call them on it, because you just CANT DO IT. It is ludicrous!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman's Helmet Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Why, because it is TRUE?? Do you NEVER want to see history for what it is worth? Do you have ANY idea how many people were enslaved under a Catholic system for hundreds of years?? Have you ever HEARD of Huguenots? Pope Leo? Cesare Borgia? Marie De Medici? the Guises? NO, I guess not. I NEVER said ANYTHING about Christians of today. MY POINT was that radical Islamists are NO different than radical Christians of an earlier age. When someone makes this huge generalization about a religion, I'm gonna call them on it, because you just CANT DO IT. It is ludicrous!!! 124278[/snapback] The great thing about HISTORY is that some people advance past their "dark times" and yet others dont. Funny huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 The great thing about HISTORY is that some people advance past their "dark times" and yet others dont. Funny huh? 124397[/snapback] The abuse in the Catholic church today...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 The abuse in the Catholic church today...? 124413[/snapback] .....doesn't even come close to the problems in the Muslim world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdh1 Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 The abuse in the Catholic church today...? 124413[/snapback] MUSLIM ON-GOING CONFLICTS IN THE WORLD AFGHANISTAN: The war in Afghanistan is ongoing. Since Soviet troops withdrew, various Afghan groups have tried to eliminate their rivals. Although the Taliban strengthened their position in 1998 they have not achieved their final objective. Afghanistan harbours Osama bin Ladin, a wealthy Saudi Arabia dissident responsible for terrorist acts around the world. On 11 September 2001 members from bin Ladin's el Qaeda group highjacked 4 passenger jets in the USA, crashing one into the Pentagon and 2 into the World Trade Center, killing more than 2,000 citizens. The USA and its allies declared war on terrorism and counter-attacked, removing the Taliban from power. The war on terrorism and the el Qaeda continues. ALGERIA: Armed Islamic groups formed and since 1992 have carried out attacks on key economic points, security forces, officials and foreigners. In 1995 Algeria's first multiparty presidential elections were held and the incumbent president Liamine Zeroual won 60% of the votes in a poll with a 75% turnout. The first multiparty legislative elections were held in June 1997 which were won by the National Democratic Rally, which holds the majority of seats along with the FLN. Although the armed wing of the FIS declared a ceasefire in October 1997, an extremist splinter group, the Islamic Armed Group (GIA), continued attacks. There is also evidence that many attacks are carried out by militias backed by the Algerian security forces. After years of civil strife, Amnesty International estimates that around 80,000 people have died The Caucasus and Russia: The Central Asian republics have a long history of conflicts. Fighting breaks out regularly between warlords and religious groups calling for the establishment of Islamic states outside the Russian Federation. Russia is trying to hold on to the federation because the Caucasus is a vital supply route for the oil riches of the Caspian and Black Sea. With the break-up of the Soviet Union various groups fought for control in the republics. Conflicts from one republic spills over to the other and they continually blame each other for attacks. Chechnya, still part of Russia, was flung in an almost full-scale war in 1994-96 and, after a disastrous campaign, Russia was forced to re-evaluate its involvement in the area. In August 1999 Russia stepped up security in the Caucasus region as rebels from within Dagestan - a small republic where more than 100 languages are spoken - went on the attack in support of Chechnyan Muslim groups who claim independence from Russia. In September 1999 Russia launched a ground invasion into the area to cut rebels off from Central Asian supply routes. By January 2000 Russia was once again involved in a full scale conflict in Chechnya. The Caucasus issue is complicated by the more than 50 different ethnic groups each insisting to proclaim their religious convictions on the area. The situation holds serious danger for neighbouring countries, Kazakhstan, Georgia and Russia itself. EYGPT: Fundamentalist Muslim rebels seek to topple the secular Egyptian government. At least 1,200 people have perished since the beginning of the rebellion. The conflict was primarily waged as an urban guerrilla/terrorist war. The opposition Muslim Brotherhood took part in elections in 2000, indicating that they felt armed force would not work. INDONESIA: The struggle on the Indonesia islands is complicated by leaders of pro- and anti-independence movements, and by religious conflicts. More than 500 churches have been burned down or damaged by Muslims over the past six years. Both the Christians and Muslims blame each other for the violence and attempts at reconciliation made little progress. After a bloody struggle East Timor gained independence in 1999. The hostilities on other islands continue to claim dozens of lives, to such an extent that the break-up of Indonesia seem imminent. INDIA/PAKISTAN: Muslim separatists in the Indian section declared a holy war against the mostly-Hindu India and started attacks in 1989, mainly from Pakistan-occupied section of Kashmir, and from Pakistan and Afghanistan. The conflict continues, with Pakistan also crushing rebellions with brute force in their section. IRAQ: Supports Islamic terrorist acts around the world. Differing culture and religious groups within Iraq continues to clash with Shiite Muslims. ISRAEL: Within its own borders, Israel continues to battle various Muslim organizations that seek independence for a Palestine state, areas made up of the Gaza strip, West.Bank, and part of Jerusalem. There is heavy international pressure on Israel to recognise a Palestinian state. The area of what today is Palestine was settled by Semitic tribes at a very early date. It was then called Canaan, and controlled by Canaanite tribes for more than 1,000 years. In about 1500 BC Hebrew, or Jewish, tribes began to enter the area. They later came into conflict with a people of Greek origin known as the Philistines. It is from them that the term Palestine is derived. IRAN: After the Iranian Revolution in 1979 toppled the government of the Shah, the Mujahadeen Khalq soon began a bloody guerrilla war against the new Islamic government. The Mujahadeen are currently based in Iraq and conduct cross-border raids into Iran, as well as conducting urban guerrilla operations in the cities and conducting political assassinations. Iran occasionally launches raids against Khalq bases in Iraq. KOSOVO: The ethnic Albanian KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) in this Serbian province fought a guerilla war against Serbia to claim the region. Beginning in February 1999, Albanians were forced out of the province, prompting NATO to attack Serbia. By July 1999 Serb troops were forced out of Kosovo, only to open an avenue for Albanian Kosovars to attack Serb Kosovars. The Albanian Muslims have since burned down dozens of centuries-old Christian churches. In an effort to establish a Greater Albania, Albanian Muslim rebels also launched attacks in Macedonia. NIGERIA: There are violent religious clashes in the city of Kaduna in northern Nigeria beginning February 21 2004 and have continued. Kaduna is the second largest city in the north. The clashes followed a march by tens of thousands of Christians to protest the proposal to introduce Muslim sharia law as the criminal code throughout Kaduna state. Reports speak of rival armed gangs of Christians and Muslims roving the streets. Churches and mosques have been put to the torch. Corpses were seen lying in the streets and people's bodies hanging out of cars and buses, apparently killed while attempting to flee the violence. Local human rights workers said that more than 400 had been killed as a result of the clashes. SUDAN: The largest country in Africa, has been plagued by a succession of unstable civilian and military governments since it gained independence in 1956 from an Anglo-Egyptian condominium. The long-running conflict continues between the Arab Muslim northerners of Sudan, (the base of the government), and the African Christians of the south. In the mid-90s Sudan was home to Osama bin Ladin, the international terrorist responsible for the World Trade Center attack. It is estimated that more than 1,2 million people have been killed in the Sudan war, brining devastation to the Sudanese economy. PHILIPPINES: The Phillipines armed forces, with assistance of US troops, are fighting Moslem rebels - they have been linked to Osama bin Laden's el Qaeda terrorist group - on the southern islands of the country. Muslim rebel groups seek autonomy/independence from the mostly Christian Philippines. One rebel group, the Abu Sayaf Group, is believed linked to Osama bin-Laden's Al-Qaida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 How many thousands of years ago was the Inquisition? 122768[/snapback] nobody expects the spanish inquisition! The Inquisition (Let's begin) The Inquisition (Look out sin) We have a mission to convert the Jews (Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew) We're gonna teach them wrong from right. We're gonna help them see the light and make an offer that they can't refuse. (That those Jews just can't refuse) Confess, don't be boring. Say yes, don't be dull. A fact you're ignoring: It's better to lose your skull cap than your skull (or your govalt!) The Inquisition (what a show) The Inquistion (here we go) We know you're wishin' that we'd go away. But the Inquisition's here and it's here to stay! "I was sitting in a temple. I was minding my own business. I was listening to a lovely Hebrew mass. Then these Papus persons plungered and they throw me in a dungeon and they shove a red hot poker up my ass. Is that considerate? Is that polite? And not a tube of Preperation H in sight!" "I'm sittin' flickin' chickens and I'm lookin' throught the pickins' and suddenly thes goyim pull down valls. I didn't even know them and they grabbed my by the stoghum and started playing ping pong with my balls! Ooh, the agony! Ooh, the shame! To make my privates public for a game?" The Inquisition (what a show) The Inquisition (here we go) We know you're wishin' that we'd go away. But the Inquisition's here and it's here to- "Hey Toquemada, walk this way." "I just got back from the Auto-de-fe." "Auto-de-fe? What's an Auto-de-fe?" "It's what you oughtn't to do but you do anyway." Will you convert? "No, no, no, no." Will you confess? "No, no, no, no." Will you revert? "No, no, no, no." Will you say yes? "No, no, no, no!" Now I asked in a nice way, I said, "Pretty please." I bent their ears, now I'll work on their knees! "Hey Toquemada, walk this way. We got a little game that you might wanna play, so pull that handle, try you're luck." "Who knows, Toq, you might win a buck!" "How we doin', any converts today?" "Not a one, nay, nay, nay." "We flattened their fingers, we branded their buns! Nothing is working! Send in the nuns!" The Inquisition, what a show. The Inquisition, here we go. We know you're wishin' that we'd go away! So all you Muslims and you Jews We got big news for all of yous: You'd better change your point of views TODAY! 'Cause the Inquisition's here and it's here to stay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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