The America that I love.

[3rdnlng]

Yes, I am aware that roughly about 50% of people that have been polled support a government run option to compete against private insurers, and that number use to be alot higher than what it is today. Which tells me one of two things, and that is that the more that people know about a government run option and it's unintended consequences such as raising insurance premiums and the possible effects it has on the deficit tends to make people want to run away from this option or that the liberals are losing the P.R war.

 

My guess is that it is a little bit of both.

 

But one thing is for sure, people don't like the plans that are being introduced today, and my fear is that there is too much at stake for the liberals to not pass this bill, even if it that means passing a bad bill.

 

Too much at stake for whom?

[Magox]

Too much at stake for whom?

Well, in the context that I was communicating, there is too much at stake politically for the liberals to not pass a bill. They are going to get hammered regardless in the November 2010 elections, but if they don't pass a bill, and without BO on the ticket, and the economy sucking, they will get slaughtered.

 

So they have to come back to their consituents with something, even if that something is terrible, they can say "We passed Health Care Reform that is Good for America" with no way of truly being able to tangibly judge it.

[3rdnlng]

Well, in the context that I was communicating, there is too much at stake politically for the liberals to not pass a bill. They are going to get hammered regardless in the November 2010 elections, but if they don't pass a bill, and without BO on the ticket, and the economy sucking, they will get slaughtered.

 

So they have to come back to their consituents with something, even if that something is terrible, they can say "We passed Health Care Reform that is Good for America" with no way of truly being able to tangibly judge it.

 

That was a rhetorical question. I guess I was trying to emphasize that there was too much at stake for their political careers not for our country. It seems to me that their political careers and agenda is all that they truly care about. I don't see too many patriots on that side of the aisle.

[The Big Cat]

That was a rhetorical question. I guess I was trying to emphasize that there was too much at stake for their political careers not for our country. It seems to me that their political careers and agenda is all that they truly care about. I don't see too many patriots on that side of the aisle.

 

Do you truly believe this epidemic of Democrats/liberals and Democrats/liberals only?

 

What in God's name makes you think Republicans/conservatives are different?

 

Don't hate the players, homey. Hate the game.

[keepthefaith]

Do you truly believe this epidemic of Democrats/liberals and Democrats/liberals only?

 

What in God's name makes you think Republicans/conservatives are different?

 

Don't hate the players, homey. Hate the game.

 

How about this as an American agenda that both parties could adopt? I'll just call it a common sense agenda. One designed to conquer the big issues and help incumbents get re-elected (that's what they want). There is common ground on the big issues. Find it. Put it to work.

 

1. National Debt - The numbers ($12 trillion and climbing fast) cry out for action. Only sensible way to stop the bleeding and chip away at the debt is for the Federal Government to go on a very strict diet and cut spending dramatically. You have to be blind not to see this. Yes there will be pain, some will lose government jobs and the entitlement spending must be reduced. Must find ways to transition people out of entitlements. We are breeding generations of people who consume these programs. Have to stop that process. Medicare and Social Security have to be funded since people paid into that. If there are savings opportunities there, find them.

 

2. Health care - Any plan that funds only 6 years of benefits with 10 years of taxes is a bad plan. President can thank house and senate for their efforts but tell them to go back to the drawing board. Too expensive and the chance that it will be well over budget too great. Try again. Imagine the public trust that Obama would receive if he did this.

 

3. Wars - Stick to Iraq plan which gets us mostly out of there in a couple years. Take more aggressive approach with our Allies for help in Afganistan. Demand more support. Remind them of what the US has done for them. If no support offered, take a hard stance. We still have the upper hand in these relationships. Leverage it. Same goes for N. Korea, Iran and any others. Simply do not accept the rest of the world's inaction. We can hurt all of them economically and politically if it comes to that. How often have we asked for help throughout history? Play the card.

 

4. Economy - This is our best chance to solve numbers 1 and 2 above. As elected officials, you have access the best economic and business minds out there. Take advantage of that. Figure out what it will take to capitalize on emerging industries such as energy. Figure out how to increase domestic manufacturing. Set bold economic policies and get the hell out of the way. Moving the economy forward will be very tough and deserves a tireless effort. Find a way, get it done. Failure is not an option!

 

5. Immigration - As a nation we simply cannot afford to waste a dime on illegal immigrants and polls have shown that a big majority of Americans want the borders more secure. Secure it. Period. Tell those that are here illegally to leave. Deport them whenever possible. Send a strong message that if you enter the country incorrectly, you will be asked to leave and services will not be provided. Hammer employers that hire them.

[Booster4324]

How about this as an American agenda that both parties could adopt? I'll just call it a common sense agenda. One designed to conquer the big issues and help incumbents get re-elected (that's what they want). There is common ground on the big issues. Find it. Put it to work.

 

1. National Debt - The numbers ($12 trillion and climbing fast) cry out for action. Only sensible way to stop the bleeding and chip away at the debt is for the Federal Government to go on a very strict diet and cut spending dramatically. You have to be blind not to see this. Yes there will be pain, some will lose government jobs and the entitlement spending must be reduced. Must find ways to transition people out of entitlements. We are breeding generations of people who consume these programs. Have to stop that process. Medicare and Social Security have to be funded since people paid into that. If there are savings opportunities there, find them.

 

2. Health care - Any plan that funds only 6 years of benefits with 10 years of taxes is a bad plan. President can thank house and senate for their efforts but tell them to go back to the drawing board. Too expensive and the chance that it will be well over budget too great. Try again. Imagine the public trust that Obama would receive if he did this.

 

3. Wars - Stick to Iraq plan which gets us mostly out of there in a couple years. Take more aggressive approach with our Allies for help in Afganistan. Demand more support. Remind them of what the US has done for them. If no support offered, take a hard stance. We still have the upper hand in these relationships. Leverage it. Same goes for N. Korea, Iran and any others. Simply do not accept the rest of the world's inaction. We can hurt all of them economically and politically if it comes to that. How often have we asked for help throughout history? Play the card.

 

4. Economy - This is our best chance to solve numbers 1 and 2 above. As elected officials, you have access the best economic and business minds out there. Take advantage of that. Figure out what it will take to capitalize on emerging industries such as energy. Figure out how to increase domestic manufacturing. Set bold economic policies and get the hell out of the way. Moving the economy forward will be very tough and deserves a tireless effort. Find a way, get it done. Failure is not an option!

 

5. Immigration - As a nation we simply cannot afford to waste a dime on illegal immigrants and polls have shown that a big majority of Americans want the borders more secure. Secure it. Period. Tell those that are here illegally to leave. Deport them whenever possible. Send a strong message that if you enter the country incorrectly, you will be asked to leave and services will not be provided. Hammer employers that hire them.

 

Good post, can't really quibble except on illegal immigrants as I don't think emergency services to prevent death should be cut. I can see them being deported later (that may lead to illegals not seeking heatlh services, but so be it).