keepthefaith Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 The Republicans are not serious about health insurance reform, which is what this really is. If they were, they would have taken action when they had the White House and the Congress. What they offer now are some last minute plans so they can say they have something to cover their arses. They have no credibility on offering reform, because they never do it when they are in the majority. Both parties debated the topic before the last election, but I will give Democrats credit for moving the issue out into the open. Doesn't sound to me like you've heard or read about the Republican proposed alternatives. Also doesn't sound to me like you looked closely at the issue and what the Dems are proposing. There are some alarming components of the thing that would concern anyone. Cost, taxation, limiting choices, cutting benefits, creation of 110 new government agencies, adding substantially to the deficit, who benefits and who doesn't. Hard to believe that any American would not be troubled by what has been proposed unless you stand to gain from it and don't care what that costs, who pays and who makes the choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 But, but, but it's a good bill, I know it and there is nothing that you can say to change my mind. And it'll be historical. Don't forget historical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 And it'll be historical. Don't forget historical. Obama's Presidency will be historical in about 3 years if he continues the assault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 The Republicans are not serious about health insurance reform, which is what this really is. If they were, they would have taken action when they had the White House and the Congress. What they offer now are some last minute plans so they can say they have something to cover their arses. They have no credibility on offering reform, because they never do it when they are in the majority. Well, at least you got SOMETHING right for once... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Obama's Presidency will be historical in about 3 years if he continues the assault. We need conservatives to put up as big a battle as they can in the next year and hope that the 2010 elections get us close or a majority in the House. We then can effectively block any nutcase legislation that will be put forward until 1012 Even scarier is we need to pick up enough Senate seats to block the appointment of liberal federal judges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Well, at least you got SOMETHING right for once... If I recall, haven't the Republicans been proposing tort reform and portability for some time now? Two things that would actually reduce costs and not raise taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 If I recall, haven't the Republicans been proposing tort reform and portability for some time now? Two things that would actually reduce costs and not raise taxes. Which doesn't invalidate PJ's point - the Republicans didn't do anything when they could (they "proposed" doing something, sure...lot of good that did, hmm?), and now that they can't are scrambling not to provide an alternative but to try to remain relevant to the debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Which doesn't invalidate PJ's point - the Republicans didn't do anything when they could (they "proposed" doing something, sure...lot of good that did, hmm?), and now that they can't are scrambling not to provide an alternative but to try to remain relevant to the debate. That is absolutely the case, which is part of the reason why out of all voters that are listed as independents, over half of them are closet republicans. My guess is that by the time Nov. 2010 comes around, some of those voters will be coming out of the closet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 It has begun. my favorite part Before forcing the reading, Coburn asked to certify that every senator has read and understands the bill. But Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) said it would be impossible for the Senate to certify that all its members understand the bill. And they wonder why everyone thinks they are doing such a great job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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