genomich Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 Clarett... Thought we had a "player" in Losman...
nucci Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 Clarett...Thought we had a "player" in Losman... Overall record...2 SB's......No one is perfect.
thebandit27 Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 Clarett...Thought we had a "player" in Losman... Although you may find those 2 picks (one of which wasn't even a Denver draft pick) to be representative of Shanahan's 14-year career, I'd prefer to look just a bit deeper at his results. Here are just a few of the current NFL starters Shanahan drafted in the last few years alone: 2008 - LT Ryan Clady, WR Eddie Royal, FB Peyton Hillis 2007 - RT Ryan Harris 2006 - QB Jay Cutler, TE Tony Scheffler, WR Brandon Marshall, OLB/DE Elvis Dumervil, G Chris Kuper 2005 - CB Dominique Foxworth, C Chris Myers And that's not even counting the guys that are role players on Denver, or on other NFL teams. I'd say he's done just fine.
Poeticlaw Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 Clarett...Thought we had a "player" in Losman... Under the right coaching Losman would have turned into a good player. Flame away all you want but I think JPs talen was under utilized and try to get him to do stuff he never has done. Give him a coach that utilizes his abilities and hones his skills he could turn into a Good QB. I know many of you look at the fact he was a first round pick he was second round talent that according to his scouting reports needed three to four years to develop. But because we have no patience we play yo-yo with our qbs and dont teach them right. The best thing about Shannahan is the running game succes which is needed in Buffalo.
DrDawkinstein Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 good idea. start the hatin early so we have momentum when we decide to run him out of town in 3 years.
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 Dude knows how to build an O-Line, that's for sure
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 but he build a hell of an O Line to make all of his RB's look great.
zow2 Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 As mentioned, Shanahan may not be perfect but he knows: - what type of personnel it takes to consistently win - how to run a training camp - when to throw the red flag - how to communicate - when to use timeouts - how to assemble a staff of capable assistants - how to motivate - how to run and be part of a 1st class organization - what it takes to make the playoffs - what it takes to win a Super Bowl
nemhoff Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 I think the big knock on Shanny in Denver was not his offense, he is afterall the Mastermind. His negative side was always the defensive side of the ball and was never able to make the right DC hire to complement his offense. Picking two players that were airball judgements over the past 5 years is not really a telling sample for judgement. Apply those same strict standards to Bills draft picks and what do you get - total ineptitude
stuckincincy Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 Dude knows how to build an O-Line, that's for sure If you like one that cut blocks, chop blocks, and injures other players, sometimes ending their careers - yes.
Brandon Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 I think the big knock on Shanny in Denver was not his offense, he is afterall the Mastermind. His negative side was always the defensive side of the ball and was never able to make the right DC hire to complement his offense. I can't really agree with you there. Shanahan actually had some very good defenses in his time in Denver. In terms of total yards allowed, they were 4th best in the NFL as recently as 2003 and 2004, and his defenses finished in the top 10 seven of his fourteen seasons and in the top half of the league eleven times in the same period. They'd struggled recently, but his overall track record on defense is pretty good.
nemhoff Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 I can't really agree with you there. Shanahan actually had some very good defenses in his time in Denver. In terms of total yards allowed, they were 4th best in the NFL as recently as 2003 and 2004, and his defenses finished in the top 10 seven of his fourteen seasons and in the top half of the league eleven times in the same period. They'd struggled recently, but his overall track record on defense is pretty good. Yes, and the recent struggles of not being able to hold onto leads was what got him fired. Did any of his DC stay in Denver over two years? The slide at the end of last season was due to the defense allowing other teams to catch them after they established first half leads. And Cutler being an idiot at times and throwing bad INT's
Bills!Win! Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 Yeah I agree, Shanahan is a terrible coach, we should hire Jauron...
Doc Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 WRT Shanahan being the GM, ESPN said the other day that Shanahan would bring in his own GM (and scouting department). Hopefully that's true.
BillsFan74 Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 Everybody misses..except when you hve espn in your face all of the time it's magnified. maybe we should have a tv crew follow you around at work for a month and count your mistakes...matter who the Bills hire they will have made mistakes..give it a rest.
Boog Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 but he build a hell of an O Line to make all of his RB's look great. Ya, the kind that dive at other players knees and are masters at the crackback block. Thats all we need, more OL penalties.
Hossage Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 Shanahan was an effective coach, but I never got the feeling he was a complete coach, just a niche guy on offense.
High Mark Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 If you like one that cut blocks, chop blocks, and injures other players, sometimes ending their careers - yes. Its all legal.
playman Posted November 21, 2009 Posted November 21, 2009 Its all legal. xactly. as long as its within the rules no one should complain.
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