major Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 When players start coming out (aka- Whitner and Jackson) stating that they'd like to have Michael Vick on the team, it isn't a good sign to the owner, coaches, GM, etc... The players are starting to sound like the fans calling into sports radio and that isn't a good sign for management.
kota Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 Vick served his time to society. That is good enough for me. However, i don't want him on the Bills team because as a player i don't think he is that good. He is the last thing this team needs right now.
DrFishfinder Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 Vick served his time to society. That is good enough for me. However, i don't want him on the Bills team because as a player i don't think he is that good. He is the last thing this team needs right now. I agree with respect to paying his debt. Is he an upgrade over Edwards and Fitz? Yes. A big upgrade? No. More of a running threat than a passing threat. Is he going to take the Bills to the playoffs? No.
zazie Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 I agree with respect to paying his debt. Is he an upgrade over Edwards and Fitz? Yes. A big upgrade? No. More of a running threat than a passing threat. Is he going to take the Bills to the playoffs? No. Who can say? he took Atlanta there. And for everyone who said Vince Young was so bad, watch out he comes to town this weekend I think he will take it out on us.
DrFishfinder Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 Who can say? he took Atlanta there. And for everyone who said Vince Young was so bad, watch out he comes to town this weekend I think he will take it out on us. Does anyone think Vick will take THIS team to the playoffs? I don't. Vince Young WAS bad. He happens to be playing better at the moment.
Captain Hindsight Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 Vick served his time to society. That is good enough for me. However, i don't want him on the Bills team because as a player i don't think he is that good. He is the last thing this team needs right now. I want Vick in a Bills uni more than anything. I have only heard good things about his work ethic and desire to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. Having Dungy around as a mentor doesnt hurt either. One thing I'm really starting to believe in besides mechanics and size and QB skill is can this guy win me a game? Vick can and has in the past, give him a year to get his feet under him behind McNabb then let the Bills take him in. make him earn the starting role and Be our QB. I wanna see it happen and i really think he can and will help this team.
Delete This Account Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 any chance we could have a thread in which Vick is referred to not be hijacked by the predictable debate in regards to Vick's character. i'm not saying there isn't room for that debate, but i am saying it's been well-trod ground. and the point of this thread, by my reading, is not about Vick but about what Fred Jackson and Donte Whitner had to say, which I credit Major for making a valid point that should be discussed, rather than the "Yeah," "Oh yeah!" stuff that can be easily found on one of the 248 threads ever posted on this board in regards to Vick and dog-fighting. jw
Lori Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 any chance we could have a thread in which Vick is referred to not be hijacked by the predictable debate in regards to Vick's character. i'm not saying there isn't room for that debate, but i am saying it's been well-trod ground. and the point of this thread, by my reading, is not about Vick but about what Fred Jackson and Donte Whitner had to say, which I credit Major for making a valid point that should be discussed, rather than the "Yeah," "Oh yeah!" stuff that can be easily found on one of the 248 threads ever posted on this board in regards to Vick and dog-fighting. jw To answer your question ... doubtful, but we can always try. (Personally, signing Vick might just push me the last little bit into not renewing for next season, but I'm also not going to tell anyone else how to spend their money.) To the point of the thread, should I take Whitner's and Jackson's comments as merely a thought that the Bills need to add some talent to get better -- try something, anyway -- or as a distinct vote of no confidence in Trent Edwards? They're related, but I'm not entirely sure they're the same thing.
zazie Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 any chance we could have a thread in which Vick is referred to not be hijacked by the predictable debate in regards to Vick's character. i'm not saying there isn't room for that debate, but i am saying it's been well-trod ground. and the point of this thread, by my reading, is not about Vick but about what Fred Jackson and Donte Whitner had to say, which I credit Major for making a valid point that should be discussed, rather than the "Yeah," "Oh yeah!" stuff that can be easily found on one of the 248 threads ever posted on this board in regards to Vick and dog-fighting. jw Based on his win loss record at Atlanta, he is a major upgrade from TE and certainly Fitz. But, we would need coaching that can adapt to the players on the team, which we do not currently have even a semblance of. Our current coach has a hard enough time with the mickey mouse offense he has put in place, and makes completely inappropriate adjustments like going no-huddle with players that are just not suited (not to mention the cover 2 on defense with a weak pass rush). DJ is truly the 'mauronic inferno'. New coach next year who has basic competance Vick can be a successful NFL qb which he has proven already. And with a good coach Vick can excel.
Lofton80 Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 I think Vick would be an immediate upgrade over Edwards. He can move which helps with no offensive line. He has a strong arm for our windy stadium. It is one draft pick not burned on a QB but rather on an offensive or defensive lineman. any chance we could have a thread in which Vick is referred to not be hijacked by the predictable debate in regards to Vick's character. i'm not saying there isn't room for that debate, but i am saying it's been well-trod ground. and the point of this thread, by my reading, is not about Vick but about what Fred Jackson and Donte Whitner had to say, which I credit Major for making a valid point that should be discussed, rather than the "Yeah," "Oh yeah!" stuff that can be easily found on one of the 248 threads ever posted on this board in regards to Vick and dog-fighting. jw
May Day 10 Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 Vick sucks. He has lost it. He is worthless to a struggling Eagles team. He will be even more worthless to Buffalo Please Bills front office, I know you are stupid, but dont get fooled into this.
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 any chance we could have a thread in which Vick is referred to not be hijacked by the predictable debate in regards to Vick's character. i'm not saying there isn't room for that debate, but i am saying it's been well-trod ground. and the point of this thread, by my reading, is not about Vick but about what Fred Jackson and Donte Whitner had to say, which I credit Major for making a valid point that should be discussed, rather than the "Yeah," "Oh yeah!" stuff that can be easily found on one of the 248 threads ever posted on this board in regards to Vick and dog-fighting. jw I have certainly noted a lack of overflowing optimism from the Bills players WRT Trent since the beginning. They toe the company line, sure. But, I can't recall another player going out of their way to declare Trent "the Leader" of this team. Indeed, after he went down this year, players voiced support and confidence in the understudy. Which would be rather surreal on many other teams. The fact players are running out in the streets in support of an illusional (at this point) QB in Vick is crossing the company line and a sign of cracks in the carefully whitewashed facade. Is there a sense among the players that Trent was anointed by the HC and handed the job? Sort of tough to win in this league if your QB has the inspirational character of a wallflower.
zazie Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 I have certainly noted a lack of overflowing optimism from the Bills players WRT Trent since the beginning. They toe the company line, sure. But, I can't recall another player going out of their way to declare Trent "the Leader" of this team. Indeed, after he went down this year, players voiced support and confidence in the understudy. Which would be rather surreal on many other teams. The fact players are running out in the streets in support of an illusional (at this point) QB in Vick is crossing the company line and a sign of cracks in the carefully whitewashed facade. Is there a sense among the players that Trent was anointed by the HC and handed the job? Sort of tough to win in this league if your QB has the inspirational character of a wallflower. More than any other player (and there are several) TE has been destroyed by DJ. Bad luck for him.
Stussy109 Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 The difference between edwards and vick is that edwards is a stat guy. puts up good stats, enough to not look bad, but not good enough to win. Vick is a gamer, not so pretty stats, but finds ways to win games, kind of like flutie. Last time we had a guy who was mobile (flutie) we didn't do so bad.
H2o Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 I think Vick would be an immediate upgrade over Edwards. He can move which helps with no offensive line. He has a strong arm for our windy stadium. It is one draft pick not burned on a QB but rather on an offensive or defensive lineman. +1
Delete This Account Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 i think major's point, and excuse me if i'm wrong, is that it wasn't a discussion about Vick, perse, but rather noting that players are questioning personnel in their own locker room. Whitner, as noted in my story yesterday, outright said that players are replaceable when they're not getting the job done. he included himself, but it was in response to a question in regards to whether he's sensitive to the fact that by wanting Vick, he could be stirring the pot with players at that position. it's not just that he wants Vick, it's that he believes Vick is better than the above. and i'm wondering whether that sentiment is a good one to have in furthering a "team" concept. and whether or not Vick lands in Buffalo next season, the observation made by major is that players -- and i'm not sure what Fred Jackson said -- are beginning to publicly question their teammates' value, or at least in Whitner's case, questioning their teammates value by ommission. jw
benderbender Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 you can teach Vick to be more accurate, you cant make Fitzpatrick into a playmaker
Lori Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 FJax comments, from the quote sheet posted yesterday afternoon: On rumors that Philadelphia Eagles QB Michael Vick could possibly join the Bills next year and if he’d be a good fit:I mean anytime you add a playmaker like that to any roster it’s going to be a good add, but that’s not up to me. But I would definitely welcome him. He’s a playmaker and he can make plays for anybody. On if quarterback speculations affects them: Well I don’t think there’s really any talk about bringing in another quarterback in this locker room or around here so I don’t think it’s distracting at all. More general than Whitner's, with which you're already familiar.
Delete This Account Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 FJax comments, from the quote sheet posted yesterday afternoon: More general than Whitner's, with which you're already familiar. thanks. been way too busy. i find myself in an odd position to actually be agreeing with an OP ... hmmm. must be swine flu or something. another round of Jameson might cure that ... jw
Dante Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 Running qbs never work out. Wrong move for the Bills. But, it would be a typical one. For now I don't care who is qb, rb or wr. We should be concentrating on building the offensive line. But even when they do try to bolster the line they screw it up.
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