New Gallup Poll on Health Care Reform

[Magox]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124202/No-Clear...are-Reform.aspx

 

 

Taking everything into account, if a new healthcare bill becomes law, do you think in the long run it will make your own health care situation better, would it not make much difference, or make it worse than it is now?

 

Survy says:

26% Better

31% Not much Difference

36% Worse

7% No opinion

 

So in other words, at least 67% of the Public says it will make it worse or not much of a difference. For even those that says not much of a difference, considering it will add to the deficit, cost well over a trillion dollars, make medicare worse, premiums higher, and impact small business hiring negatively, I'd say it's a no brainer, this BILL SUCKS!

 

Would you advise your member of Congress to vote for or against a health care bill this year, or do you not have an opinion?

 

Survey says:

%29 Vote for

%38 Against

%33 No opinion

 

So, out of the people who have an opinion, 57% say no.

 

As of today, would you say you lean more toward advising your member of Congress to vote for a health care bill, or lean more toward advising your member of congress to vote against a health care bill?

 

Survey says:

 

%43 vote for

%48 vote against

%9 vote against

 

The Independent voters: Would you advise your member of Congress to vote for or against a healthcare bill this year, or do you not have an opinion?

 

Survey says for Independents:

 

%22 Vote for

%44 Vote against

 

Taking everything into account, if a new healthcare bill becomes law, do you think in the long run it will make the U.S healthcare system- better, would it not make much difference, or worse, than it is now?

 

Survey says:

41% better

40% worse

14% not much difference

5% no opinion

So out of the people that are responding 54% says it will be worse or won't make a difference.

 

 

Simply put, most people either believe this Bill is going to be worse or won't make a bit of difference, which is what many of us has been saying on this board for months now.

 

There is absolutely nothing in that bill that will drive down premiums, in all likelyhood, premiums will go even higher. The other thing that is important about this poll is that the Independent voters by a 2 to 1 margin are against this Bill. It will be the Independents that decide the 2010 and 2012 elections.

[Chef Jim]

The most disturbing thing in that whole poll, to me anyway, is that when asked if they would advise their Congress member to vote for or against the bill 33% had no opinion. That sounds like 1/3 of the people polled probably have 1. no idea who their representative is or 2. how to get ahold of them or 3. they're just plain idiots. Whether you choose 1. or 2. you also have to include choice 3.

[IDBillzFan]

This information is actually not surprising whatsoever. And the left knows this. When you hear the WH talking about health care reform, you'll notice the words being used very carefully: "...delivering what Americans need."

 

What American's WANT is not the issue with this WH. They are selling this monstrous entitlement program as something American's NEED because, apparently, up until January, none of us were able to take care of ourselves, and we need our government to take us to the promised land in spite of our stupidity.

 

'The left could give a crap if this is right or wrong. It's the next best entitlement program that will bog down taxpayers, while increasing individual dependency on the government while consequently increasing the government's power over the individual. And they try to explain that they're doing all of this in the name of compassion.

 

Wicked.

[John Adams]

At the risk of reinviting a moron back, "Check it."

 

 

I'm shocked someone in Congress can be so frank in the current environment. Good for him.

[murra]

At the risk of reinviting a moron back, "Check it."

 

 

I'm shocked someone in Congress can be so frank in the current environment. Good for him.

 

That man is pretty legit.

[erynthered]

At the risk of reinviting a moron back, "Check it."

 

 

I'm shocked someone in Congress can be so frank in the current environment. Good for him.

 

 

I agree.

 

http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?...t&p=1598533

[PastaJoe]

Simply put, most people either believe this Bill is going to be worse or won't make a bit of difference, which is what many of us has been saying on this board for months now.

 

Or simply put, most people are as misinformed about healthcare reform as many of you on this board have been for months now.

[John Adams]

I agree.

 

http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?...t&p=1598533

 

 

Well played.

[Magox]

Or simply put, most people are as misinformed about healthcare reform as many of you on this board have been for months now.

straight from White House's Playbook.

[Chef Jim]

Or simply put, most people are as misinformed about healthcare reform as many of you on this board have been for months now.

 

Enlighten us oh wise one.

[murra]

Or simply put, most people are as misinformed about healthcare reform as many of you on this board have been for months now.

 

What is there to be misinformed about? In the end it's just another thing that you want the government to take over.

[IDBillzFan]

Or simply put, most people are as misinformed about healthcare reform as many of you on this board have been for months now.

Please explain to us what we are all wrong about. Please be specific.

[Kelly the Dog]

What is there to be misinformed about? In the end it's just another thing that you want the government to take over.

 

That's exactly what you're misinformed about.

 

I would bet every dollar I could get my hands on, people responding to that poll have very little idea of what its top 20 components actually mean, or will actually do, and how it would affect them, regardless of party. So the results are pretty meaningless.

 

A lot of it is unanswerable at this point to anyone, for better or worse. Not to mention that there still isn't even a bill yet that will be enacted.

 

Part of the reason is the complete distortion of what it will do and what it means by its opponents.

 

Part of the reason is the complete inability of its proponents to explain in simple terms what it will do and what it means.

 

Part of the reason is the media's complete obsession with the alleged daily winners and losers in the battle instead of using that time to explain what it means and what it will do.

 

Part of the problem is the numerous versions of the bills that offer contradictory points that add to the confusion.

 

Part of the problem is the public's unwillingness (for good or bad reasons) to do their homework and figure out what it actually will mean and do for them.

 

It's no surprise whatsoever that the country is torn. They have no idea what it will do.

[Magox]

That's exactly what you're misinformed about.

 

I would bet every dollar I could get my hands on, people responding to that poll have very little idea of what its top 20 components actually mean, or will actually do, and how it would affect them, regardless of party. So the results are pretty meaningless.

 

A lot of it is unanswerable at this point to anyone, for better or worse. Not to mention that there still isn't even a bill yet that will be enacted.

 

Part of the reason is the complete distortion of what it will do and what it means by its opponents.

 

Part of the reason is the complete inability of its proponents to explain in simple terms what it will do and what it means.

 

Part of the reason is the media's complete obsession with the alleged daily winners and losers in the battle instead of using that time to explain what it means and what it will do.

 

Part of the problem is the numerous versions of the bills that offer contradictory points that add to the confusion.

 

Part of the problem is the public's unwillingness (for good or bad reasons) to do their homework and figure out what it actually will mean and do for them.

 

It's no surprise whatsoever that the country is torn. They have no idea what it will do.

In both the House and Senate's versions of the bill, they don't address "skyrocketing" premiums.

 

In both the House and Senate's versions of the bill, they both cut Medicare tremendously

 

In both the House and Senate's versions of the bill, taxes will go up.

 

In both the House and Senate's versions of the bill, health insurance and it's subsidies aren't used within the first four years, yet the taxes are collected starting 2010, which is why the bill is "deficit neutral"

 

In both the House and Senate's versions of the bill, employers are required to offer health insurance to their employees, and for private individuals. If people or companies don't comply, they will be subject to fines and penalties.

 

Also, in regards to the "Doc Fix" they recently tried to pull a fast one on the public, by cutting out $400-$500 billion in medicare in all of the bills, to only create a new bill to add back in $225 billion in Medicare. What kind of bull **** is that?

 

We can disregard the Republicans and Democrats in that poll, because we would expect that they will fall into party lines, the majority anyways, but out of Independents, by a 2 to 1 margin, THEY DON'T WANT THIS !@#$ING BILL.

[Doc]

Those who created the bill don't even know what it will do. How do you expect John Q. Public to know?

[Kelly the Dog]

In both the House and Senate's versions of the bill, they don't address "skyrocketing" premiums.

 

In both the House and Senate's versions of the bill, they both cut Medicare tremendously

 

In both the House and Senate's versions of the bill, taxes will go up.

 

In both the House and Senate's versions of the bill, health insurance and it's subsidies aren't used within the first four years, yet the taxes are collected starting 2010, which is why the bill is "deficit neutral"

 

In both the House and Senate's versions of the bill, employers are required to offer health insurance to their employees, and for private individuals. If people or companies don't comply, they will be subject to fines and penalties.

 

Also, in regards to the "Doc Fix" they recently tried to pull a fast one on the public, by cutting out $400-$500 billion in medicare in all of the bills, to only create a new bill to add back in $225 billion in Medicare. What kind of bull **** is that?

 

We can disregard the Republicans and Democrats in that poll, because we would expect that they will fall into party lines, the majority anyways, but out of Independents, by a 2 to 1 margin, THEY DON'T WANT THIS !@#$ING BILL.

The people that are against it don't really know or are lying about it.

The people that are for it don't really know or are lying about it.

The people that are undecided don't really know either but admit they don't really know.

 

Both bills do address skyrocketing premiums, they just don't address it nearly enough or get to the core problem. But you're lying when you say they arent addressed. They are addressed in a lot of ways.

 

Taxes only on certain people or entities will go up. The vast, vast, vast majority of the population won't be affected by taxes. You're extrapolating and assuming things that aren't in the bills.

 

Medicare monies and loopholes are being cut, most of which is abuse. There is no set drop in Medicare treatment. If you're on Medicare right now your coverage won't be affected hardly at all. No one knows what effect 10 years from now will be.

 

A lot of the important provisions of the bills will be implemented sooner than the 3-4 years it will take to get a lot of it in place or to give people and employers time to transition. Much of the money collected you're complaining about will be used to give people health care now for people who can't get covered by private insurance because of pre-exisiting conditions. Certain elements will go into effect right away, or soon, and they need to be paid for.

[murra]

That's exactly what you're misinformed about.

 

I would bet every dollar I could get my hands on, people responding to that poll have very little idea of what its top 20 components actually mean, or will actually do, and how it would affect them, regardless of party. So the results are pretty meaningless.

 

A lot of it is unanswerable at this point to anyone, for better or worse. Not to mention that there still isn't even a bill yet that will be enacted.

 

Part of the reason is the complete distortion of what it will do and what it means by its opponents.

 

Part of the reason is the complete inability of its proponents to explain in simple terms what it will do and what it means.

 

Part of the reason is the media's complete obsession with the alleged daily winners and losers in the battle instead of using that time to explain what it means and what it will do.

 

Part of the problem is the numerous versions of the bills that offer contradictory points that add to the confusion.

 

Part of the problem is the public's unwillingness (for good or bad reasons) to do their homework and figure out what it actually will mean and do for them.

 

It's no surprise whatsoever that the country is torn. They have no idea what it will do.

 

 

That's a lot of typing you did without actually saying anything.

[Magox]

The people that are against it don't really know or are lying about it.

The people that are for it don't really know or are lying about it.

The people that are undecided don't really know either but admit they don't really know.

 

Both bills do address skyrocketing premiums, they just don't address it nearly enough or get to the core problem. But you're lying when you say they arent addressed. They are addressed in a lot of ways.

 

bull **** They aren't addressed, according to the CBO, premiums will be higher than those offered by the private insurers, and that the cost curve isn't bent in the right direction

 

Taxes only on certain people or entities will go up. The vast, vast, vast majority of the population won't be affected by taxes. You're extrapolating and assuming things that aren't in the bills.

bull ****, all small businesses will have to pay higher taxes

 

Medicare monies and loopholes are being cut, most of which is abuse. There is no set drop in Medicare treatment. If you're on Medicare right now your coverage won't be affected hardly at all. No one knows what effect 10 years from now will be.

 

bull ****, If you really believe that "There is no set drop in Medicare treament" then you sir are an idiot.

A lot of the important provisions of the bills will be implemented sooner than the 3-4 years it will take to get a lot of it in place or to give people and employers time to transition. Much of the money collected you're complaining about will be used to give people health care now for people who can't get covered by private insurance because of pre-exisiting conditions. Certain elements will go into effect right away, or soon, and they need to be paid for.

 

bull ****, http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10710/...ment_update.pdf I already outlined this in the HR3692 thread, check out page 6 and 7

now you are either lying or are "misinformed", which is it Dog?

Now Try backing **** up with actual numbers, not with your empty statements.

[PastaJoe]

We can disregard the Republicans and Democrats in that poll, because we would expect that they will fall into party lines, the majority anyways, but out of Independents, by a 2 to 1 margin, THEY DON'T WANT THIS !@#$ING BILL.

 

Yesterday's Republicans are todays Independents, as the percentage of Americans identifying themselves as Republicans have dropped to the low 20%s.

 

The absurdity of the opposition to reform and the level of vitriol was displayed last week at the rally sponsored by the House Republican leadership that was officially billed as a G.O.P. press conference with the display of large signs showing piles of bodies at Dachau with the caption “National Socialist Healthcare.”

 

Anyone who characterizes this reform effort as a government takeover of healthcare and socialized medicine is simply either uninformed or purposely trying to misinform others to further their political agenda. Reform does not equal takeover.

[Magox]

Yesterday's Republicans are todays Independents, as the percentage of Americans identifying themselves as Republicans have dropped to the low 20%s.

 

The absurdity of the opposition to reform and the level of vitriol was displayed last week at the rally sponsored by the House Republican leadership that was officially billed as a G.O.P. press conference with the display of large signs showing piles of bodies at Dachau with the caption “National Socialist Healthcare.”

 

Anyone who characterizes this reform effort as a government takeover of healthcare and socialized medicine is simply either uninformed or purposely trying to misinform others to further their political agenda. Reform does not equal takeover.

When you force people to buy insurance, and force companies to offer it to their employees, and tax certain segments of the population to help subsidize health insurance for others, and force health insurance companies to cover people that have pre existing conditions (which you dumbasses don't realize that will jack up everyone's premiums) and it is against the will of the majority of th public, than ya, THAT IS A GOVERMENT TAKEOVER of HEALTHCARE.