Coach55 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Given the Bills current defensive state of affairs, I propose they go to a modified 4-2-5 defense (effectively a high school 4-4, but using Whitner and Scott as your OLB's and Byrd at FS). Our current LB core is seriously busted. Why should we be trying to start a banged up Keith Ellison and Chris "I missed the" Draft. Start Harris and Poz in the middle. This will put the best 11 guys on the field, plus you would have depth. And if you keep Whitner and Scott in the box except on obvious passing plays, you will have the bodies up front to stop the run yet have the speed to cover the TE's and RB's. You are giving up some weight, but the 8th man in the box will overcompensate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Given the Bills current defensive state of affairs, I propose they go to a modified 4-2-5 defense (effectively a high school 4-4, but using Whitner and Scott as your OLB's and Byrd at FS). Our current LB core is seriously busted. Why should we be trying to start a banged up Keith Ellison and Chris "I missed the" Draft. Start Harris and Poz in the middle. This will put the best 11 guys on the field, plus you would have depth. And if you keep Whitner and Scott in the box except on obvious passing plays, you will have the bodies up front to stop the run yet have the speed to cover the TE's and RB's. You are giving up some weight, but the 8th man in the box will overcompensate. Name one game in Dick Jaurons time here in Buffalo that one of those two things have happened. You cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 Name one game in Dick Jaurons time here in Buffalo that one of those two things have happened. You cant. That's because this is a mismanaged football team. I remember back in the early 90's with Walt Corey at defensive coordinater where they switched to a 2-5 defense due to injuries on the d-line. These are professional coaches, why they lack creativity is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Given the Bills current defensive state of affairs, I propose they go to a modified 4-2-5 defense (effectively a high school 4-4, but using Whitner and Scott as your OLB's and Byrd at FS). Our current LB core is seriously busted. Why should we be trying to start a banged up Keith Ellison and Chris "I missed the" Draft. Start Harris and Poz in the middle. This will put the best 11 guys on the field, plus you would have depth. And if you keep Whitner and Scott in the box except on obvious passing plays, you will have the bodies up front to stop the run yet have the speed to cover the TE's and RB's. You are giving up some weight, but the 8th man in the box will overcompensate. And exactly will that will help the offense score? The defense hasn't been the main problem so far this year. They have wore down in the 4th quarter from being on the field more than half the game. They haven't been great, but played well enough to get a few more W's with any kind of offense..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 And exactly will that will help the offense score? The defense hasn't been the main problem so far this year. They have wore down in the 4th quarter from being on the field more than half the game. They haven't been great, but played well enough to get a few more W's with any kind of offense..... That's a whole other issue. Again, Coaches not creative. They need to put the best 11 on the field. period. And they can't do it. Nor can they utilize them. People blame the line (which is not great by any means) and the QB (again not great by any means). However, if they had a decent game plan which exploited the strengths (good interior run blocking, good receiving out of the backfield, 2 top tier receivers) and hid the weaknesses (weak tackles, QB lack of accuracy (Fitz) or lack of aggression (TE)), they could be a good offense What happened to the screens? How about a WR screen? Play action passes? Counters? If they want to run a no-huddle, how about setting up the 5 skill players as Nelson, Owens, Evans, Jackson and Lynch. Given Nelson and Jackson's versatility you could throw numerous formations to confuse the defense without subsitution - examples I-Formation - With Jackson as FB Pro Formation/Pro Formation Shotgun (they run this with little success because the playcalling has been sh*t) 4 wide with Nelson and Owens on one side (height) and Jackson and Evans on the other (speed). The offense can be simple and imaginative. Our coaches can't do either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurt Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 On defense, they need to figure out how to stop the run, especially late in the game. It is nice to have all those turnovers. But the run defense needs to be improved. In two games, vs. NO and vs. Houston, those teams couldn't score with passing but were able to switch to a heavy running attack and basically ate the Bills up on the ground. Our front 7 need to play better. Hopefully Kyle Williams will come back soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 On defense, they need to figure out how to stop the run, especially late in the game. It is nice to have all those turnovers. But the run defense needs to be improved. In two games, vs. NO and vs. Houston, those teams couldn't score with passing but were able to switch to a heavy running attack and basically ate the Bills up on the ground. Our front 7 need to play better. Hopefully Kyle Williams will come back soon. Simple solution - the offense moves the d*mn ball, so the defense isn't totally exhausted by the 4th quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Simple solution - the offense moves the d*mn ball, so the defense isn't totally exhausted by the 4th quarter. That would help, but we cant stop the run in any quarter. The only hope for our O and D is the offseason. New coaches, new scouts, new players. This is a great offseason to switch to a 3-4 if the new coach desires. We really need to add some talent to the most important areas of a football team, OL and D front 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Simple solution - the offense moves the d*mn ball, so the defense isn't totally exhausted by the 4th quarter. maybe the D would not be so tired if they made plays for the 1st 3 quarters and did not give up an average of 250 yds on the ground good to see Bills fans adopting America's motto - it's not my fault blame the offense, blame anyone but the defense on the field for not being able to stop the other team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 maybe the D would not be so tired if they made plays for the 1st 3 quarters and did not give up an average of 250 yds on the ground good to see Bills fans adopting America's motto - it's not my fault blame the offense, blame anyone but the defense on the field for not being able to stop the other team You rode the shortbus to school, right? Most of the yards and points are given up late in the 3rd, and the 4th quarter when the Bills defence has been on the field for 2/3 of the game. The Bills defence held the NFLs top offence (NO) to one of their lowest scoring games this year, and were in the game until late cause the offence is impetent. Same with teh houston game, they were in it til the second half, even though they were given many chances to take over the game It doesn't matter when the defence makes the stop because the offence can't keep themselves on the field for more then 4 plays when they get the ball. If you actually watch the game and not just read the stat lines afterwards, you would see that during the first half the Bills defence might give up some big yards, but they keep the other teams offence out of the endzone. That is the most important thing. The league doesn't give out wis based on stats, they give out wins based on who scores more points. By the second half in most games, the Bills offnce hasn't been able to stay on the field for more then about a dozen plays and they keep giving the ball back to the defence. Put an offence on the field that can control the ball to stay on the field longer and actually score TD's, the defence would look much better cause they haven't been on the field for 60-70% of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 You rode the shortbus to school, right? Most of the yards and points are given up late in the 3rd, and the 4th quarter when the Bills defence has been on the field for 2/3 of the game. The Bills defence held the NFLs top offence (NO) to one of their lowest scoring games this year, and were in the game until late cause the offence is impetent. Same with teh houston game, they were in it til the second half, even though they were given many chances to take over the game It doesn't matter when the defence makes the stop because the offence can't keep themselves on the field for more then 4 plays when they get the ball. If you actually watch the game and not just read the stat lines afterwards, you would see that during the first half the Bills defence might give up some big yards, but they keep the other teams offence out of the endzone. That is the most important thing. The league doesn't give out wis based on stats, they give out wins based on who scores more points. By the second half in most games, the Bills offnce hasn't been able to stay on the field for more then about a dozen plays and they keep giving the ball back to the defence. Put an offence on the field that can control the ball to stay on the field longer and actually score TD's, the defence would look much better cause they haven't been on the field for 60-70% of the game if this defense was as good as you say it is in the first 3 quarters, then they should be able to generate a few 3 and outs to get our offense back on the field. unfortunately, as you correctly state, the defense stays on the field by design - letting teams move up and down the field at will, but generally keeping them out of the endzone. of course, the other team knows the Bills tendencies as well, and they are willing to moe slowly and not take risks- knowing full well that the Bills defense will eventually exhaust itself by playing its idiotic bend but don't break philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 if this defense was as good as you say it is in the first 3 quarters, then they should be able to generate a few 3 and outs to get our offense back on the field. unfortunately, as you correctly state, the defense stays on the field by design - letting teams move up and down the field at will, but generally keeping them out of the endzone. of course, the other team knows the Bills tendencies as well, and they are willing to moe slowly and not take risks- knowing full well that the Bills defense will eventually exhaust itself by playing its idiotic bend but don't break philosophy. Yeah, but you don't get it If the offence, when they do get the ball back and the defence has held the opponents off the scoreboard or to only a FG, they need to do better then go 3 and out and put the defence back on the field. Right now, all that will come from the Bills defence making their opponents go three and out, is the impotent offence will just get a few more chances to go 3 and out and put the defence back on the field. I'm not saying that the Bills defence is top 5 in the league, but if you give them an offence that can atleast score more then 20 points a game, they would be in the top half of the league and the Bills have a winning record. It doesn't matter how many yards you give up to another team, its about how many points are scored, and if your defence keeps other teams out of the endzone, it should be enough for most competent offences in the league to win games. You can't expect to win by hoping your defence can keep teams from scoring under 10 points in the NFL on a regular basis Now as you say in your last sentence, that teams move slowly to wear the Bills defence down keeping them on the field, if the Bills offence was remotly competent, and scored some points, the opposing team couldn't waste time just trying to wear down the defence and they would get time to rest off the field while the offence is on the field for more then 3 plays, and take pressure off the defence from having to be perfect just to stay in the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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