Absolutely. Without question

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSF...e_to_put_he.asp

 

[DC Tom]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSF...e_to_put_he.asp

 

 

"Nancy Pelosi Breaks Pledge" isn't a headline, it's a foregone conclusion.

[IDBillzFan]

It's like she's TRYING to lose her job. But she can't. And she won't. Because there are essentially only two people in her district who think she's batschitt looney.

 

The key will be whether she can pass her bill by Saturday. If she can, she'll suffer little backlash for lying. If she can't, it'll show just how deep the Tuesday elections cut into her plans.

 

Is Pelosi faking it? Or does she have the votes?

[Magox]

What a piece of !@#$ing ****. She is hellbent on ramming this catastrophic !@#$ing bill down our !@#$ing throats. I don't think I've ever been more upset and disillusioned by our government than the way I feel right now.

 

I place alot of the blame on Bush, if he hadn't of !@#$ed up so badly with the Iraq war debacle the country wouldn't of elected all these stupid !@#$ing liberals in Congress. Now that they have the majority in Senate and House with the presidency they are determined to push through their socialistic programs.

 

Why won't she allow it to be shown to the public? Why? Because she is afraid that it will be torn apart in the court of public opinion.

 

Why the !@#$ isn't Obama chiming in on this matter, where is this transparency that he promised us? Where is the bipartisan effort? Why isn't there tort reform in the bill? If they think competition is a big problem, why not allow the health insurers to compete across state lines? Why are the Liberals ignoring the more conservative democrats and not even giving them one simple concession to make sure that there isn't funding for abortions?

 

These people don't represent me or the majority of the "American people". They represent the 20 % of this country that consider themselves "progressive liberals" and of course the lemmings.

 

Disgusting

[keepthefaith]

What a piece of !@#$ing ****. She is hellbent on ramming this catastrophic !@#$ing bill down our !@#$ing throats. I don't think I've ever been more upset and disillusioned by our government than the way I feel right now.

 

I place alot of the blame on Bush, if he hadn't of !@#$ed up so badly with the Iraq war debacle the country wouldn't of elected all these stupid !@#$ing liberals in Congress. Now that they have the majority in Senate and House with the presidency they are determined to push through their socialistic programs.

 

Why won't she allow it to be shown to the public? Why? Because she is afraid that it will be torn apart in the court of public opinion.

 

Why the !@#$ isn't Obama chiming in on this matter, where is this transparency that he promised us? Where is the bipartisan effort? Why isn't there tort reform in the bill? If they think competition is a big problem, why not allow the health insurers to compete across state lines? Why are the Liberals ignoring the more conservative democrats and not even giving them one simple concession to make sure that there isn't funding for abortions?

 

These people don't represent me or the majority of the "American people". They represent the 20 % of this country that consider themselves "progressive liberals" and of course the lemmings.

 

Disgusting

 

 

Couldn't agree more. What shocks me is that the vast majority of Dems that are supporting this thing. It's such a piece of crap bill which makes it politially risky for any that support it.

[Jim in Anchorage]

Couldn't agree more. What shocks me is that the vast majority of Dems that are supporting this thing. It's such a piece of crap bill which makes it politially risky for any that support it.

How do you know this? The public is not allowed to look at it.

[Nanker]

She apparently feels that ethics is in the eye of the beholder. What a beauty.

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

Stop the whining and the holier than thou attitude. The Republicans did this all the time and didn't even let the Dems see the Managers amendment ahead of time. You Koolaid drinkers are such hypoocrits it is pathetic.

 

Yes she is probably trying to get this through, but from a logistical standpoint, the final legislative writing occurs even up to the last minute when the proofing is done and questions come up.

 

 

So you don't like the Bill, okay who in the insurance industry is paying your salary. I am tired of hearing illegitimate allegations against these bills without alternatives. Tell me how you are going to control health care costs short of saying those without buy high deductibles and open up MSAs. When you are cash poor that doesn't work and in a recession like this people are cash poor. Now that idea is debunked as usefull, talk to me. When are doctors and insurance execs going to tighten their belts like everyone else.... until I see that happen, I am all for a public option.

[Magox]

Stop the whining and the holier than thou attitude. The Republicans did this all the time and didn't even let the Dems see the Managers amendment ahead of time. You Koolaid drinkers are such hypoocrits it is pathetic.

 

Yes she is probably trying to get this through, but from a logistical standpoint, the final legislative writing occurs even up to the last minute when the proofing is done and questions come up.

 

 

So you don't like the Bill, okay who in the insurance industry is paying your salary. I am tired of hearing illegitimate allegations against these bills without alternatives. Tell me how you are going to control health care costs short of saying those without buy high deductibles and open up MSAs. When you are cash poor that doesn't work and in a recession like this people are cash poor. Now that idea is debunked as usefull, talk to me. When are doctors and insurance execs going to tighten their belts like everyone else.... until I see that happen, I am all for a public option.

Of course you're for the "public option" because you are a lemming. How in the !@#$ could you be for a bill that you know damn well that will cost trillions of dollars that not only doesn't stop insurance premiums from rising, but according to the CBO will make "public option" premiums higher than the one's from the private insurance? Answer that question

 

Also, tell me with a straight face that you don't believe the house bill wouldn't add tremendously to the deficit.

 

"koolaid drinker" my ass, you must be looking in the mirror. I don't bring up the talking points, I bring up good common sense, you just blindly support this trainwreck of a bill. Show me where I am bringing up "illigetimate" concerns.

 

Now answer the questions

[IDBillzFan]

Stop the whining and the holier than thou attitude. The Republicans did this all the time and didn't even let the Dems see the Managers amendment ahead of time. You Koolaid drinkers are such hypoocrits it is pathetic.

 

Yes she is probably trying to get this through, but from a logistical standpoint, the final legislative writing occurs even up to the last minute when the proofing is done and questions come up.

 

 

So you don't like the Bill, okay who in the insurance industry is paying your salary. I am tired of hearing illegitimate allegations against these bills without alternatives. Tell me how you are going to control health care costs short of saying those without buy high deductibles and open up MSAs. When you are cash poor that doesn't work and in a recession like this people are cash poor. Now that idea is debunked as usefull, talk to me. When are doctors and insurance execs going to tighten their belts like everyone else.... until I see that happen, I am all for a public option.

Wow. How badly can one person miss the point? Plus you have the added bonus of a liberal admonishing people for a "holier-than-thou" attitude? Man, that's precious, Skippy. :cry:

 

She promised she'd post it and now she won't. The fact that other people have done this before her...which seems to be the pussified response from every left-leaning lemming who actually believed change would take place....does not make it right. Except to far-right liberals.

 

But yes, follow that line. Good luck getting the blue dogs to stick with you on this.

[Fastback]

Awakening a sleeping giant. I've not been politically active in my entire adult life. I am now. What is happening to our country sickens me to the core. Pelosi is asking her minions to commit suicide for her and Obama. If they're willing to do it, then I'm going to provide the means to terminate their time in Congress. Are the Democrats really that foolish? We will soon know.

 

But mark my words, the backlash will be severe.

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

Of course you're for the "public option" because you are a lemming. How in the !@#$ could you be for a bill that you know damn well that will cost trillions of dollars that not only doesn't stop insurance premiums from rising, but according to the CBO will make "public option" premiums higher than the one's from the private insurance? Answer that question

 

Also, tell me with a straight face that you don't believe the house bill wouldn't add tremendously to the deficit.

 

"koolaid drinker" my ass, you must be looking in the mirror. I don't bring up the talking points, I bring up good common sense, you just blindly support this trainwreck of a bill. Show me where I am bringing up "illigetimate" concerns.

 

Now answer the questions

The current system is going to cost me more, so how the @#$@#$ does that make your point????

 

Go back to being indoctrinated by you insurance cos and having the word "Sucker" stamped on your head... Puleeease!

[Magox]

So you don't like the Bill, okay who in the insurance industry is paying your salary. I am tired of hearing illegitimate allegations against these bills without alternatives.

 

 

"So you don't like the Bill, okay" Are you !@#$ing serious? Just Okay? What !@#$ing planet are you living on, this is a huge piece of **** legislation that will affect all our lives. Okay?

 

"Without alternatives"? Man you are a lemming, without alternatives. We've mentioned the "alternatives" at least 100 times on this board, and so has the GOP. But go on ahead with the libertard talking points and say that there hasn't been any alternatives introduced.

No where in that bill is Tort Reform to be exercised. According to the CBO that would save over $54 Billion and that isn't even factoring in all the savings from limiting defensive medicine.

 

Tax benefits on Insurance premiums. Nope, thats another one that isn't on the Bill.

 

Intrastate competition has been offered, but Nope, that isn't on the Bill.

 

But go on a head and keep drinking the Obamalaid, mmmm mmmm mmmm, tastes good doesn't it?

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

"So you don't like the Bill, okay" Are you !@#$ing serious? Just Okay? What !@#$ing planet are you living on, this is a huge piece of **** legislation that will affect all our lives. Okay?

 

"Without alternatives"? Man you are a lemming, without alternatives. We've mentioned the "alternatives" at least 100 times on this board, and so has the GOP. But go on ahead with the libertard talking points and say that there hasn't been any alternatives introduced.

No where in that bill is Tort Reform to be exercised. According to the CBO that would save over $54 Billion and that isn't even factoring in all the savings from limiting defensive medicine.

 

Tax benefits on Insurance premiums. Nope, thats another one that isn't on the Bill.

 

Intrastate competition has been offered, but Nope, that isn't on the Bill.

 

But go on a head and keep drinking the Obamalaid, mmmm mmmm mmmm, tastes good doesn't it?

The GOP had eight years, 6 years of Congressional control to get something done and all we ended up with was a Bill that gave $400 Billion to drug companies and cut off medicare's and medicaid's right to negotiate contracts.

 

He I agree with you on limited Tort reform, but unless there is control over premiums that won't work either. Insurance cos have everyone by the cahoonas and do really think if Tort reform happens they will lower premiums. Doubt it, large settlements don't make up that much of the overall premium, still cutting out frivolous lawsuits imo is a good thing.

 

Intrastate competition and Federal regulation, cutting out states would be a good thing. Agreed it should be added in, but it still doesn't eliminate the idea that the public option is a good alternative.

 

Those are incremental reforms and while I think they should be done and part of that is being considered in the Senate Bill wasting time and doing nothing is not the answer. Let it happen, if it sucks, then vote the bums out repeal it and start over. Short of outlawing insurance cos altogether, which I don't think is a bad idea, politically untenable, the attacks on the current bill are disingenuous.

 

So go on sucking the insurance co koolaide

[Magox]

The current system is going to cost me more, so how the @#$@#$ does that make your point????

 

Go back to being indoctrinated by you insurance cos and having the word "Sucker" stamped on your head... Puleeease!

No it's not! That is a lie, or according to BO's words that is spreading "misinformation", and you are going to get "called out" for it.

 

The CBO just scored the "public option" House Bill, and stated that the "public option" premiums would be higher than the Private Insurers. Plus, I didn't need no !@#$ing CBO score to tell me that the premiums would be higher. I've been talking about this on this board for months now saying that nothing in any of the Bills that had been introduced would bring down Health insurance premiums.

 

When you force Insurers to carry people with pre existing conditions, then EVERYONE's PREMIUMS WILL GO UP!!!!!

 

If you are going to tax medical device equipment, do you really think that the doctors are going to eat that cost?

 

If you are going to impose an excise tax as Baucus has suggested that wipes out 1/3 of their profits, do you really believe that they will eat that cost?

 

If you are going to insure 36 million more people, when there are already shortages in Prime Care Physicians, do you really believe that a surge in demand for health care with a shortage of skilled Doctors will Reduce Costs?

 

Do you really believe that the bill which slated to cost $1.2 Trillion over the next 10 years will actually cost $1.2 Trillion?

 

Do you really believe that Congress and the W.H will actually cut $400-$500 Billion from Medicare when the peak of effect and coverage of the Baby boomers hasn't even come to fruition yet? Do you actually believe that they will deny doctors and hospitals the reimbursements that they are lacking that we all know they will be asking for?

 

If so, you are either an idiot or a lemming.

[Magox]

The GOP had eight years, 6 years of Congressional control to get something done and all we ended up with was a Bill that gave $400 Billion to drug companies and cut off medicare's and medicaid's right to negotiate contracts.

I've got a newsflash for you, The GOP has SUCKED BALLS over the last decade. That doesn't justify this Bill.

[IDBillzFan]

Intrastate competition and Federal regulation, cutting out states would be a good thing. Agreed it should be added in, but it still doesn't eliminate the idea that the public option is a good alternative.

The government option only appears like a good option to those who believe they can not surive in this world without the government holding their hand through life. It's okay that you find it necessary for the government to take care of you. It's okay that you think that a government run option will do anything other than lead to the end of private coverage and the takeover of healthcare by the government. It's okay that you think that everyone should pay higher taxes in the face of 10.2% unemployment and a plummeting dollar.

 

But while you think this is all okay, and you clearly do, please don't forget that the more government you have in your life, the less freedom you have, and there are a lot of people who prefer liberty over more government.

 

That's what many of us are against, Charlie Brown. Not that I'd expect you to understand that. Because when you're echoing Nancy Pelosi talking points, you're too far off the edge to reason. But the issue here for many of us is liberty.

 

But please, tell us again how the last administration sucked so that makes it okay for this administation to suck even more. Great logic there.

[erynthered]

The government option only appears like a good option to those who believe they can not surive in this world without the government holding their hand through life. It's okay that you find it necessary for the government to take care of you. It's okay that you think that a government run option will do anything other than lead to the end of private coverage and the takeover of healthcare by the government. It's okay that you think that everyone should pay higher taxes in the face of 10.2% unemployment and a plummeting dollar.

 

But while you think this is all okay, and you clearly do, please don't forget that the more government you have in your life, the less freedom you have, and there are a lot of people who prefer liberty over more government.

 

That's what many of us are against, Charlie Brown. Not that I'd expect you to understand that. Because when you're echoing Nancy Pelosi talking points, you're too far off the edge to reason. But the issue here for many of us is liberty.

 

But please, tell us again how the last administration sucked so that makes it okay for this administation to suck even more. Great logic there.

 

..but, but obama inherited Bush's health care reform bill, its not his fault.........oh wait

[keepthefaith]

How do you know this? The public is not allowed to look at it.

 

I have read portions of HR3200 which was the initial bill and there are some have been enough news reports to get a feel for what it does. I'm a business owner and have some idea what the impact will be for us and our employees. Have read or heard enough to know this thing is a P.O.S.

[keepthefaith]

The current system is going to cost me more, so how the @#$@#$ does that make your point????

 

Go back to being indoctrinated by you insurance cos and having the word "Sucker" stamped on your head... Puleeease!

 

If you feel that reform is needed and you studied the issue, I doubt you'd conclude that the bill that has been proposed is a good solution.