_BiB_ Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 If he were a truly objective journalist, literally just being a witness, he would have said nothing and let the Marines die. But you guys can keep telling yourselves that journalists hate the soldiers and America.... (BTW -- I really recommend "Dispatches" by Michael Herr if you can find it. It's basically one long, run-on sentence, but it's a great chronicle.) 130304[/snapback] Dispatches was a very good book. I read it about 20 years ago. Didn't know it was still around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 But you guys can keep telling yourselves that journalists hate the soldiers and America.... 130304[/snapback] The embedded journalists have a much different perspective because they have experience. Your blanket statement is wholly unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Dispatches was a very good book. I read it about 20 years ago. Didn't know it was still around. 130348[/snapback] Read a small excerpt for a class and the reaction was, 'Wow!' Had to go to Amazon b/c I couldn't find it in any bookstores. I've since mentioned it to a couple of English profs (damn gen-eds, but they were good guys) I had as a companion reading to "The Things They Carried." My uncle who did two tours would never talk about it. I left that on his porch once (not entirely by accident) and he called me a couple of days later.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Sorry to bump this up, but I've been gone for a bit and was catching up on this thread to see what Petrino had to say to everyone's responses. Last I read, the cat ate his homework, and he would be back to respond to everyone once his internet connection was up. He's still not back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Sorry to bump this up, but I've been gone for a bit and was catching up on this thread to see what Petrino had to say to everyone's responses. Last I read, the cat ate his homework, and he would be back to respond to everyone once his internet connection was up. He's still not back? 132185[/snapback] Must've been a big kitty...........I mean the one that ate his internet connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Must've been a big kitty...........I mean the one that ate his internet connection. 132190[/snapback] And why do I think he just might figure that Artest got a raw deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 I think someone needs to do an ode to PIA. I am not that talented in such things, but I am sure that we can some up with some descriptive four letter word rhymes. :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 Just so you guys know - I talked to Harv in Lot 1 Sunday, and Petrino was skipping the game to take care of a serious medical emergency in the family. For all I know, he may not even be back in Albany yet. No joke. Hope everything's OK, John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 Just so you guys know - I talked to Harv in Lot 1 Sunday, and Petrino was skipping the game to take care of a serious medical emergency in the family. For all I know, he may not even be back in Albany yet. No joke. Hope everything's OK, John. 132967[/snapback] Well...frankly, although his opinions aren't worth a bucket of warm stevestojan, I hope all's okay with his family. And thanks for the heads-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 I think someone needs to do an ode to PIA. I am not that talented in such things, but I am sure that we can some up with some descriptive four letter word rhymes. :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: 132506[/snapback] Why the name calling? Wave the flag Bro... Who could argue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 Why the name calling? Wave the flag Bro... Who could argue? 133146[/snapback] Well how about if I told you one of the guys I served in the Marine Corps had his sons funeral this week. The father believes his son died for a good cause and was pretty much telling anyone after the funeral the same thing. He is very proud of his son. BTW, the father served in Gulf I. I will not have some dirtbag undermine his efforts and those of his fellow Marines, by implying this guys are purposely gunning down injured people laying there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 Well how about if I told you one of the guys I served in the Marine Corps had his sons funeral this week. The father believes his son died for a good cause and was pretty much telling anyone after the funeral the same thing. He is very proud of his son. BTW, the father served in Gulf I. I will not have some dirtbag undermine his efforts and those of his fellow Marines, by implying this guys are purposely gunning down injured people laying there. 133203[/snapback] Difference between those who recieved the sum of their education on campus, and those who did some learning wearing Kevlar (though I do go back to the steel pot days). You either get it, or you don't. With few exceptions, those who think like Petrino are simply clueless. If it weren't for the fact that they'd last about 30 seconds, I'd love to find a way to put them in those soldier's and marine's shoes for a few days. Then I might have some respect for their opinions on how it is all so wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Well how about if I told you one of the guys I served in the Marine Corps had his sons funeral this week. The father believes his son died for a good cause and was pretty much telling anyone after the funeral the same thing. He is very proud of his son. BTW, the father served in Gulf I. I will not have some dirtbag undermine his efforts and those of his fellow Marines, by implying this guys are purposely gunning down injured people laying there. 133203[/snapback] Doesn't matter. Everybody has tragedy in their life. It is always hard having to bury a child. No matter what, my heartstrings can't be tugged. I don't tell you half the things I have been exposed to growing up. Like I said, I must be one cold SOB? That's my problem. What keeps them from gunning down injured people lying there? So, if you think you see an autrocity, you should not report it? You a union guy? You sure sound like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Difference between those who recieved the sum of their education on campus, and those who did some learning wearing Kevlar (though I do go back to the steel pot days). You either get it, or you don't. With few exceptions, those who think like Petrino are simply clueless. If it weren't for the fact that they'd last about 30 seconds, I'd love to find a way to put them in those soldier's and marine's shoes for a few days. Then I might have some respect for their opinions on how it is all so wrong. 133209[/snapback] Keeping on underestimating people. Everybody needs a little sunshine blown up their own arses. Keep on telling yourself things... I am just gonna leave it at that... No need to interpret my continued dialog as disrespect, which it never is. It is just the flat out truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Doesn't matter. Everybody has tragedy in their life. It is always hard having to bury a child. No matter what, my heartstrings can't be tugged. I don't tell you half the things I have been exposed to growing up. Like I said, I must be one cold SOB? That's my problem. What keeps them from gunning down injured people lying there? So, if you think you see an autrocity, you should not report it? You a union guy? You sure sound like one. 137849[/snapback] Yeah, let's compare real life to a war zone against an opponent who plays by no distinguishable rules. Very accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Yeah, let's compare real life to a war zone against an opponent who plays by no distinguishable rules. Very accurate. 138097[/snapback] Define real life? Who's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Doesn't matter. Everybody has tragedy in their life. It is always hard having to bury a child. No matter what, my heartstrings can't be tugged. I don't tell you half the things I have been exposed to growing up. Like I said, I must be one cold SOB? That's my problem. What keeps them from gunning down injured people lying there? So, if you think you see an autrocity, you should not report it? You a union guy? You sure sound like one. 137849[/snapback] Oh so you undervalue my friend child now. Tell you what he would love to hear your views. You want to tell him his son died for no reason and that he is guilty of shooting unarmed terrorists? Wow, you are brave. What makes you think I give two ***** about unions. As far as unions go, they had their place, now most of them need to go. Some I think still serve a purpose, most don't, other than to rip off both their members and the companies they rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Fergy Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Now we're shooting unarmed, injured enemy combatants? I can't WAIT to hear Bush's lawyers turn this one into a perfectly acceptable act according to their 'interpretation' of the articles of the Geneva Convention. I saw the video ... both versions. Sickening. Apparently even the right-wing, hawk whacko's who make up most of the regulars in PPP (and provide at least one 'moderator' as well) aren't too thrilled about it either. Or, at least, they seem silent on the matter. But I must comment. Yes, you all know I hate this war already. But THIS takes it to a new low. The silence from the hawks in here is deafening ... that's why I'm posting this. When I post ... on ANYTHING, at ANY TIME ... I know I can count on an Alaska Dimwit or a DiCkless Tom response in seconds. Bring it, boys ... 120236[/snapback] Read this and please grow up and don't believe everything you see on TV.They only show the negatives about your county................Good Morning Everybody. The following is an email from my son regarding the NBC report (with embedded reporter Kevin Sites), concerning the Marine who is being investigated for "murdering" the insurgent in Fallaja. I will be sending his mail to every news program's email I can find. I find it sickening that this Kevin Sites is even allowed to be embedded with our Marines, as this isn't the first report I've heard from him that took on a decidely unfriendly tone. My son also gave me permission to release it to anyone that wants to pass it on, as long as it remains unedited. -- Darlene PMM LCPL Gus TS DET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:27:55 -0800 (PST) From: old tymer <email address edited> Subject: The stories you don't hear... This is one story of many that people normally don't hear, and one that everyone does. This is just one most don't hear: A young Marine and his cover man cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with Ak-47's and RPG's. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insurgent can be heard saying, "Mister, mister! Diktoor, diktoor(doctor)!" He is badly wounded, lying in a pool of his own blood. The Marine and his cover man slowly walk toward the injured man, scanning to make sure no enemies come from behind. In a split second, the pressure in the room greatly exceeds that of the outside, and the concussion seems to be felt before the blast is heard. Marines outside rush to the room, and look in horror as the dust gradually settles. The result is a room filled with the barely recognizable remains of the deceased, caused by an insurgent setting off several pounds of explosives. The Marines' remains are gathered by teary eyed comrades, brothers in arms, and shipped home in a box. The families can only mourn over a casket and a picture of their loved one, a life cut short by someone who hid behind a white flag. But no one hears these stories, except those who have lived to carry remains of a friend, and the families who loved the dead. No one hears this, so no one cares. This is the story everyone hears: A young Marine and his fire team cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with AK-47's and RPG's. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insugent can be heard saying, "Mister,mister! Diktoor, diktoor(doctor)!" He is badly wounded.Suddenly, he pulls from under his bloody clothes a grenade, without the pin. The explosion rocks the room, killing one Marine, wounding the others. The young Marine catches shrapnel in the face. The next day, same Marine, same type of situation, a different story. The young Marine and his cover man enter a room with two wounded insurgents. One lies on the floor in puddle of blood, another against the wall. A reporter and his camera survey the wreckage inside, and in the background can be heard the voice of a Marine, "He's moving, he's moving!" The pop of a rifle is heard, and the insurgent against the wall is now dead. Minutes, hours later, the scene is aired on national television, and the Marine is being held for commiting a war crime. Unlawful killing. And now, another Marine has the possibility of being burned at the stake for protecting the life of his brethren. His family now wrings their hands in grief, tears streaming down their face. Brother, should I have been in your boots, i too would have done the same. For those of you who don't know, we Marines, Band of Brothers, Jarheads, Leathernecks, etc., do not fight because we think it is right, or think it is wrong. We are here for the man to our left, and the man to our right. We choose to give our lives so that the man or woman next to us can go home and see their husbands, wives, children, friends and families. For those of you who sit on your couches in front of your television, and choose to condemn this man's actions, I have but one thing to say to you. Get out of you recliner, lace up my boots, pick up a rifle, leave your family behind and join me. See what I've seen, walk where I have walked. To those of you who support us, my sincerest gratitude. You keep us alive. I am a Marine currently doing his second tour in Iraq. These are my opinions and mine alone. They do not represent those of the Marine Corps or of the US military, or any other. Sincerely, LCPL Schmidt USMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Thank you very much for that. I very much mean that too. I'm retired Army and fully understand, 'cause I've been there what things like this are about. And, being Army does not preclude me from adding-Semper Fi, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Yeah, I just love how the vast majority of liberals use the freedoms paid for in blood by these brave boys to denigrate their actions and call for their heads. I HATE liberalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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