keepthefaith Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 The Republican party over the past decade has been a trainwreck, and to be claiming that they have been fiscally conservative is laughable, however, the other option is much much worse. This is why you are seeing the TeaParty movement, these individuals were extremely disappointed with the Republicans and are disgusted with what is happening today with the liberals in control. I happen to believe it is a good thing, not that I believe that the tradional "conservative" in social issues is the direction this party should move in, but if you hear their message, it has nothing to do with that, but everything to do with being anti big government, anti higher taxation, anti massive government spending and pro "government get the !@#$ out of my life". If the GOP can strike the right balance of being more socially liberal and much more fiscally conservative, then there is little doubt that the vast majority of moderates and independents will flock to them. The majority of the public don't even like the GOP, because they had lost their way, in a poll that I recently read, only 20% of the public consider themselves Republicans, but even with this tremendous popularity, you are seeing moderates shift away from the left, because they can see the writing on the wall, which is that we are moving towards socialism. Yes, GOP should probably become more socially liberal but they also need to have real answers to the reckless growth of entitlement programs, spending and what to do with the ever-growing population of unproductive adults. Dems want to help the unproductive by giving them handouts which doesn't help them. Republicans want to ignore them or simply tell them to sink or swim. I lean hard to the sink or swim mentality but that doesn't solve the problem. They simply keep reproducing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 And Republicans have no quams about cutting taxes for the wealthy but not cutting budgets. They had their opportunity to cut spending, reform health care, and fix Social Security and Medicaid when they had control of the White House and Congress. How'd that work out? And now we should believe the next bunch of Republicans will be different? Pretty much the same way the Democrats will run the things they campaign on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Yes, GOP should probably become more socially liberal but they also need to have real answers to the reckless growth of entitlement programs, spending and what to do with the ever-growing population of unproductive adults. Dems want to help the unproductive by giving them handouts which doesn't help them. Republicans want to ignore them or simply tell them to sink or swim. I lean hard to the sink or swim mentality but that doesn't solve the problem. They simply keep reproducing. That's not true. Some might but once in power, they are little different than the Dems on social spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 And Republicans have no quams about cutting taxes for the wealthy but not cutting budgets. They had their opportunity to cut spending, reform health care, and fix Social Security and Medicaid when they had control of the White House and Congress. How'd that work out? And now we should believe the next bunch of Republicans will be different? Actually, if you want to look at facts, they did reform part of medicare/medicair. They also tried to reform social security but the say NO dems blocked it. Not saying the repubs did a great job, but they did do some things on the issues and blocked on others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 And Republicans have no qualms about cutting taxes for the wealthy Why should they have qualms about cutting taxes for the wealthy if they are cutting taxes for everyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Well I'll take socialism over theocracy. Unless and until the GOP stops letting the right wing theocrats dictate whether a candidate passes their litmus tests, the GOP will continue to be marginalized in the northeast and west coast. It's a battle between the fiscal and social conservatives in the GOP. See, you can be a fiscal conservative and leave the social issues to the states. Thats the candidate I'm waiting for. A true conservative would limit the powers of the Federal government to the enumerated powers in the Constitution, leaving everything else to the states. At that point, gay marriage, abortion etc., become state issues to deal with as they see fit. If they accept that philosophy, you could see a GOP rebirth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 See, you can be a fiscal conservative and leave the social issues to the states. Thats the candidate I'm waiting for. A true conservative would limit the powers of the Federal government to the enumerated powers in the Constitution, leaving everything else to the states. At that point, gay marriage, abortion etc., become state issues to deal with as they see fit. If they accept that philosophy, you could see a GOP rebirth. That's exactly right. People can vote with their feet. If they don't like the way one state is run they can move to another which suits them better. America was not built on a foundation of homogeneity. It was built as a republic with a central government that was designed to do only certain things - not Everything for Everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 This is for any of you who think that some Democrats aren't nervous about their reelection bids: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29167.html Election Day losses in Virginia and New Jersey have congressional Democrats focused like never before on jobs — their own. While the White House and party leaders are urging calm, Democratic incumbents from red states and Republican-leaning districts are anything but; Tuesday's statehouse defeats have left them acutely aware that their votes on health care reform and other major Obama initiatives could be career-enders in 2010 or beyond. “I should be nervous,” said Rep. Parker Griffith, a freshman Democrat from Huntsville, Ala. Griffith said the Democratic rank and file is “very, very sensitive” to the fact that issues being pushed by party leaders “have the potential to cost some of our front-line members their seats.” “People who had weak knees before are going to have weaker knees now,” said Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.), a relatively liberal congressman who seemed safe in 2010 but now thinks a Republican challenger might feel emboldened by Tuesday’s election results. Democratic Sen. Jim Webb — who watched Republican Bob McDonnell and other statewide candidates erase years of Democratic gains in his home state of Virginia — said Tuesday’s results show that Republicans are “energized from what happened last year” but also that “people up here on our side need to get their message straighter, too.” The office of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid circulated an analysis arguing that “gubernatorial races are primarily about local issues,” and that it’s therefore “hard to draw any direct comparisons between what happened in New Jersey and Virginia and what will happen in Congress.” But some Democrats weren’t buying the spin. “We got walloped,” said Sen. Mark Warner, the junior Democrat from Virginia. As members came to grips with the election returns, Rep. Frank Kratovil Jr. (D-Md.) said he wants “as much time as I possibly can [have] to review both sides and make the best decision I can make” on the health care bill. Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), a big swing vote for Democratic leaders, said Tuesday’s elections should tell Democrats that their “agenda needs to be patterned towards” the economy. “People need to be saying slow it down and don’t add more to the deficit,” Nelson said. “And what have many of us been talking about? We don’t want to see anything added to the deficit unless there’s cost containment.” On health care, Nelson said: “Let’s see coverage extended, … but at what cost?” Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe, the lone Republican to vote for a health care bill, said Tuesday’s results should slow Democrats down on health care — and “certainly gives pause on how you approach things.” Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), who’s threatened to filibuster the health care bill if it isn’t changed before it goes to a vote, said he’s sensing that public fears over the rising national debt “may affect” the Democrats’ broader agenda, noting that there’s been “a very large and quick move of independents” away from the Democratic Party and that public fears of the rising debt are at a “tipping point.” According to exit polls, Republican gubernatorial candidates took 62 percent of the independent vote in Virginia and 58 percent of the independent vote in New Jersey. “They’re feeling anxious and they want the government to do something to help them; they’re very worried that we’re going to spend more money,” Lieberman said. “I think one thing it says to me is that whatever we do, we better make damn sure it’s paid for.” Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) said the gubernatorial results said more about Virginia and New Jersey than they did about Congress. But still, she said she is well aware that voters are feeling anxious about what the Democrats are doing on Capitol Hill. “They’re very concerned about some of the actions that are occurring here in D.C., and we have got to be very sensitive to the fragile economic recovery that’s underway,” she said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Election Day losses in Virginia and New Jersey have congressional Democrats focused like never before on jobs — their own. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 :lol: I missed that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Wow that didn't take long http://www.gouverneurtimes.com/index.php?o...&Itemid=175 If he was any less honest he'd be a Republican, right Connor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Health Care has passed the House. Great job people!!! And yes, people this is coming from an EX-union worker. GREAT JOB!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Health Care has passed the House. Great job people!!! And yes, people this is coming from an EX-union worker. GREAT JOB!! Sarcasm or real? If real, tell us why it's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Sarcasm or real? If real, tell us why it's great. Why is it great because we need health care reform. One plan helps out 30+ million people (U.S. Citizens), the other helped out only 3 million. Either way you are helping out a lot of people, but something had to be done and it looks like that may be happening. Granted the "paying for it" part scares everyone. I understand that. And if you are against why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Sarcasm or real? If real, tell us why it's great. It's great to people like PBills because people like him are unable to take care of themselves, and put no value on personal accountability. It's great to people like him because he believes that only government can help him, and that more government in his life is better than less. It's great to him because it makes sense to spend the next four years taxing the crap out of the people for something that won't start for four years. And it's great to him because he believes that health care is a right, not a privilege. Just like a job. Just like food. Just like everything. But most importantly it's great to him because he believes that the government will actually do a great job at providing health care. Because when you realize you can't fend for yourself, it's easier to give up your freedoms in exchange for Nancy Pelosi keeping you in diapers to your deathbed. That's why it's great to pBills, Charlie Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Why is it great because we need health care reform. One plan helps out 30+ million people (U.S. Citizens), the other helped out only 3 million. Either way you are helping out a lot of people, but something had to be done and it looks like that may be happening. Granted the "paying for it" part scares everyone. I understand that. And if you are against why? Because it will add to the deficit, once the DOC FIX is included, It will raise people's health insurance premiums according to the CBO (just as I had told you that it would), and it will raise peoples taxes by over $700 Billion. Is that reason enough? Our only hope is that the Senate doesn't go the Nuclear Route of Reconciliation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Because it will add to the deficit, once the DOC FIX is included, It will raise people's health insurance premiums according to the CBO (just as I had told you that it would), and it will raise peoples taxes by over $700 Billion. Is that reason enough? Our only hope is that the Senate doesn't go the Nuclear Route of Reconciliation. Yeah but that $700B will be paid for by rich greedy capitalist pigs making over $500k Of course after the inflation kicks in from all the free money the Fed has been pumping the last year or so, $500k will be about minimum wage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 It's great to people like PBills because people like him are unable to take care of themselves, and put no value on personal accountability. It's great to people like him because he believes that only government can help him, and that more government in his life is better than less. It's great to him because it makes sense to spend the next four years taxing the crap out of the people for something that won't start for four years. And it's great to him because he believes that health care is a right, not a privilege. Just like a job. Just like food. Just like everything. But most importantly it's great to him because he believes that the government will actually do a great job at providing health care. Because when you realize you can't fend for yourself, it's easier to give up your freedoms in exchange for Nancy Pelosi keeping you in diapers to your deathbed. That's why it's great to pBills, Charlie Brown. yeah you're right. I can't take care of myself or my family. I am giving up soooo many freedoms with this. Moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 yeah you're right. I can't take care of myself or my family. I am giving up soooo many freedoms with this. Moron. Did you read the CBO scoring that I had posted in the other thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Did you read the CBO scoring that I had posted in the other thread? No. I will though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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