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If Houston wanted to trade him for value it had to be before July 15 when a long term contract could be signed. It looks like he stays in Houston under the tag this season. They could tag him a second time but likely a FA after that. I hope the Bills stay away from him jmo . The Bills have future key players to sign big contracts, and that is very good. ( Allen , Edmunds , Tre , Dawkins )

I also found this I had posted yesterday in the training camp thread interesting coming from rivera. Panthers’ Ron Rivera says joint NFL practices are invaluable Coach Ron Rivera believes joint practices have become an invaluable part of today's NFL. The Panthers wrapped up two days of practices at Wofford College with the Buffalo Bills that he thinks will go a long way toward helping both teams prepare for the regular season. Unlike preseason games, players weren't allowed to tackle which Rivera believes can be dually beneficial in getting plays down pat while at the same time not risking major injuries. "I'm not sure if playing the games is as important as it used to be, but things like this are invaluable," Rivera said Wednesday. "If you can get two teams that come in focused on working and developing you can help each other out a lot," Rivera said. A DECADE LONG PLAYER Buffalo's 21-year-old middle linebacker Tremaine Edmunds has a chance to be an impact player for the next decade, Rivera said. "We ran one screen against them and it looked like we were going to pick up some pretty good yardage and he ran it down to keep it to about a 4-yard gain," Rivera said. Edmunds had 80 tackles, two sacks and two interceptions last season as a rookie. REFINING THE OFFENSE New Bills receiver Cole Beasley said he's starting to get on the same page with second-year quarterback Josh Allen. On one option route, Beasley turned his head and the ball had already arrived perfectly on time. "The ball got on me so fast I almost didn't expect it," Beasley said. "I told him if you get the ball to me that fast I'm going to get you a lot (of yards) after the catch. It makes it so much easier on me and it will make us so much better as a team."

Edmunds, White & Oliver will anchor this defense for years.

This team is not that talented at all, so their depth isn't impressive either. Almost all of the talent on the Bills today is concentrated in young guys, only one of whom has "made his bones" in the NFL to this point, Tre White. In this unproven group is Dawkins, Milano, Allen, Edmunds, Oliver and Ford. That Zay Jones is a starting WR underscores the lack of talent at the receiver position, both wideouts and tight ends. On many playoff caliber teams, most of these guys -- all of whom started/will start as rookies -- would have started as part-timers, and some might still be rotational players. Hyde, Poyer, and Hughes are solid, but the rest of the veterans are old or haven't demonstrated that they have regained their pre-injury form. The only other established veterans are this year's FA crop. Brown and Beasley are decent wide receivers but Pro Bowlers they're not. Except for Morse, none of the OLers were bonafide starters. They were backups who landed starting roles when the regular starters got hurt. As for Morse, he managed one practice in pads and has been in concussion protocol since, so his availability through the season is certainly much more dicey than if he'd never had a concussion. Now, the OL may turn out to be decent without Morse, and maybe even good with him, but nobody knows. As for Allen, he looked pretty good in his first outing in the first game. There's reason to hope, but he still has lots and lots of room for improvement. Certainly the Bills offense didn't look as good as either the Jets or the Ravens offenses looked under Darnold and Jackson. That may have less to do with Allen than with the players around him, but media folks aren't looking at how Allen played last year so much as they're looking at how he plays compared to the other NFL QBs, especially the QBs in his draft class.

Took me a second to figure out what you were talking about. https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/tremaine-edmunds-made-quite-impression-panthers-coach-ron-rivera “I think he’s got a really good position coach in Bob Babich, Sr.,” Rivera said of the Bills linebackers’ coach. “I was with Bob when we were in Chicago and we had Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs, and Bob told me, ‘this guy is a combination of both of them,’ and that’s kind of cool to hear.”

My favorite part of this article is at the end, where Babich says that Edmunds is like a combination of Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs. That's one badass combination right there.

Maybe because Allen isn't good ?or maybe it would be odd to reply to a question about Edmunds by talking about Allen. I'm leaning towards the latter

But mostly, Edmunds.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/15/panthers-impressed-by-tremaine-edmunds-in-joint-practices/ “It was kind of neat first-hand to watch him,” Edmunds said, via WGR550.com. “We ran a screen against them. It looked like it was going to pick up some pretty good yardage, and he was able to break through and run it down and keep it about four yards. I think the young man is on his way to being one of those types of players that can be with a team for 10-12 years and be an impact guy for a long time.”

I would say Micah Hyde, Tre White, and maybe even Poyer have probably the best argument of everyone on the team to be in the top 100. Other than that nobody can really have a beef. To me this is a star driven league so it is a bit concerning that we are lacking in the "game changer" category. I do believe Josh Allen could elevate himself into that category as well as Ed Oliver and Edmunds. All of it is predicated on players taking that next step. As fans we believe it will happen. The media not so much. Not just these teams. Chiefs went out and got Watkins (say what you will but they invested in skill positions), Rams went out and got Goff Watkins, then Cooks to add to a revamped o-line, Eagles went out and got Alshon Jeffrey and a 1st round pick WR (agholor - again at least admire the attempt). I do believe that the Bills plan on drafting WR in the first round next year but that is year 3. The other teams listed did much more to help their young QBs have a supporting cast that could help carry the load. I do think that is why the Bills were in on Antonio Brown though it just didn't work out. A lot to chew on so I numbered to help my responses - sorry for cutting up your post. 1. They did get shredded and it is concerning that it seems to happen to them from time to time (happened the year before as well). However they got shredded by Baltimore, Chicago, and Indy. Baltimore was aided by Nathan Peterman and Indy/Chicago were both top 10 offenses in ppg. 3 games is too many to be considered elite so they definitely have something to improve/correct as you state. I hate using yards to measure defenses. PPG should be the measuring stick and for that the Bills finished 18th. That needs to improve if the Bills record is going to improve. 2. Gotta disagree with you here. 9 wins is not a fluke to make the playoffs. 2 9-7 teams from the AFC made it that year. If that Bengals play happens week 5 nobody remembers or calls that playoff season a fluke. Talent wise? certainly a fluke but not record wise. You have to go back to 2012 to find a year that didn't have a team at 9-7 qualify. That includes multiple teams as division winners at 9-7 (or 7-8-1 but that was certainly a fluke). 3. He may have been polarizing for fans but not for Front offices. Even the day of the draft there was speculation HE would be the #1 pick instead of Mayfield. Arizona was also trying to trade up for him as well. I don't think Allen was making it out of the top 10 if the Bills weren't there to grab him. 4. I also don't think drafting a rb when your 2 lead guys are over 30 is a waste. It seems that is more you don't like the player so you think it is a waste. The 3rd round is a great place to draft a rb. Alvin Kamara, David Johsnon, Kareem Hunt, DeMarco Murray, and James Conner among others have been 3rd round rbs that have had a ton of success in the league. 5. Lastly, they gave up 2 4th round picks to move into the 3rd round to draft Knox. I have not seen 1 pundit say that was an overpay but I may be wrong. Where I don't think I am wrong is saying trading 2 4th round picks for a 3rd is definitely NOT giving up a ton.

Problem (for the Texans) is he can’t sign an extension this season. So he is basically a one year rental therefore reducing his value. It would actually be a perfect situation. Allen has two more years before he can be extended. If they got Clowney for this season, not only would we not have to extend him, but we wouldn’t be able to. They could franchise him (and let him walk after 2020, netting a 3rd rd comp pick) or extend him the following year when we have more information about what tre White and Dawkins and even Allen/Edmunds extensions might be worth.

It isnt important but it's interesting. It's one way to evaluate your teams gm and how he drafted. If you're drafting Shaq in the first round every year, you're hurting for talent. Like how about Maybin, Spiller, Manuel, Dareus, Watkins, Shaq? How'd that work out? Look how much better the team looks when you draft White, Allen, Edmunds, Oliver and Cody. Drafting matters. That's why people talk about Shaq.

The Bills currently have -- and insanely enough, I don't think this is hyperbole or exaggeration -- potentially the greatest athletic specimens at both quarterback and middle linebacker that the league has ever seen. I'm not saying they're the best ever, or that they WILL be the best ever at their positions. I'm just saying that from a purely athletic standpoint (and their smarts and work ethic don't hurt, either), both Allen and Edmunds have the POTENTIAL to be among the greatest to ever play their positions. That's pretty ***** exciting.

This team just traded up to draft a TE in the top 96 picks. He’s, physically, as gifted as pretty much any TE that they have ever had. He doesn’t have a resume but physically stacks up with any TE. They signed another TE to a $19M deal. He caught 7 TDs in 2017. They added back Smith and used a pick on Sweeney. They had Jason Croom playing a lot last year. He’s 5th in this group. The depth is greatly improved there. Corey Thompson has had a big camp. He can potentially develop into a starter. He’s young. If not, you can try to squeeze another season out of Zo, sign someone else or draft a guy. Milano and Edmunds are 3 down guys. If Zo wasn’t so effective a lot of those snaps would be eaten up by an extra DB. It’s probably a “big nickel” type like Siran Neal. He played CB, S and LB in college. I think Jaquan Johnson did as well. They signed the most FAs in the NFL this year (at least they had through the first month). With the new facility and their reputation the Bills have had ZERO issue in attracting free agents. That’s a lazy (and wrong) take. The Bills have an open window with their best talents on rookie contracts. This is the EXACT time that you spend to attract top talent. We do agree that Josh needs to continue to develop. We also agree that he needs a number 1 target. With that being said the guys that he’s throwing to this year are MILES ahead of the guys that he had last year (hence roster depth). I expect the 1st round pick to be used on a number 1 receiver. While Jerry Jeudy is a dream they won’t get a shot at him. Shenault or Lamb or Higgins could all fill that role. Not really a homer at all, I’m just a realist. The middle to back of the Bills roster is really strong. They need stars and top end talent. This isn’t going to be a year where they sign 18 FAs again (or whatever it was). They are going to target some impact players (ie Clowney) and pull the trigger.

Its not pounds, its general height and speed and pounds. Flutie could outrun some 240 lb bruiser LB from 25 years ago. Those guys can get on the field anymore!!! Today's LBs could outrun his 40 time and beat him in agility. That's what I mean. That was where he excelled and got loose. Add the new size guys like Van Der Esch and Edmunds and these super quick DEs that are in the Bruce Smith mold and he wouldn't last long.

I mean.... Devin Bush isn’t even 230lb and just got drafted in the top 10. Let’s not pretend Edmunds is the norm. He’s a freak. Not the norm for NFL MLB’s

There is no way Flutie survives the size of today. Edmunds is the new MLB not the SLOW guys he would run by. Ed Oliver could catch him for christ's sake! The Flutie worship is so over the top!!!

Panthers say no but I'll trade McCoy, Zo, Not Edmunds... my plan is to slide Edmunds over and let Kuechly man the middle with Milano and Edmunds. WOW... Also need McCaffrey and we'll be set for years there as well. Keep Gore for short yardage.

Clowney is still only 26, and even though he is not terribly older than than Oliver and Edmunds, he brings a wealth of experience and elite talent to share. The Bills probably envision 4-5 more productive years from Clowney and he is at or near his prime. I say go for it because the Bills have the cap space and guys like Clowney do not come around too often.

Panthers’ Ron Rivera says joint NFL practices are invaluable Coach Ron Rivera believes joint practices have become an invaluable part of today's NFL. The Panthers wrapped up two days of practices at Wofford College with the Buffalo Bills that he thinks will go a long way toward helping both teams prepare for the regular season. Unlike preseason games, players weren't allowed to tackle which Rivera believes can be dually beneficial in getting plays down pat while at the same time not risking major injuries. "I'm not sure if playing the games is as important as it used to be, but things like this are invaluable," Rivera said Wednesday. "If you can get two teams that come in focused on working and developing you can help each other out a lot," Rivera said. A DECADE LONG PLAYER Buffalo's 21-year-old middle linebacker Tremaine Edmunds has a chance to be an impact player for the next decade, Rivera said. "We ran one screen against them and it looked like we were going to pick up some pretty good yardage and he ran it down to keep it to about a 4-yard gain," Rivera said. Edmunds had 80 tackles, two sacks and two interceptions last season as a rookie. REFINING THE OFFENSE New Bills receiver Cole Beasley said he's starting to get on the same page with second-year quarterback Josh Allen. On one option route, Beasley turned his head and the ball had already arrived perfectly on time. "The ball got on me so fast I almost didn't expect it," Beasley said. "I told him if you get the ball to me that fast I'm going to get you a lot (of yards) after the catch. It makes it so much easier on me and it will make us so much better as a team."

5 takeaways from Day II of the Buffalo Bills' practice with the Carolina Panthers Tremaine Edmunds passed a big test The second-year middle linebacker, who just this past May became legal to buy an adult beverage, continues to impress this summer, and if there was one play in these two practices that gave you an indication of what he’s capable of, it happened about halfway through Wednesday’s session. Not that it was the only play Edmunds made, but it certainly deserved a gold star. Pro Bowl tight end Greg Olsen, one of the best in the business, ran a route toward the right sideline and Edmunds had him covered off the line, then ran with him without falling for the fake Olsen tried, and Edmunds was able to break up Cam Newton’s well-thrown pass. “Greg Olsen is one of the best pass-receiving tight ends in the National Football League, so to see (Edmunds) run down the field stride for stride and make a play like he did, you go, 'Wow,'” said defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier. “This is only his second season in the league against a guy like that. The sky’s the limit for what he’s capable of being able to do.” Edmunds is a freakish athlete for a man 6-foot-5 and 250 pounds, but Frazier said the one part of his game that needed work was one-on-one pass coverage. Clearly, the work is paying off. “The reports have all been positive, and his maturation over the last few weeks has been tremendous,” said Frazier. “We talked about that prior to his going away on summer break. You can see by the way he’s practicing he’s improved in that area. That’s who he is. He’s one of those guys who’s going to work on any perceived weakness that he has. The results are what we’re seeing now.” Josh Allen to Cole Beasley: Get used to it I thought Allen started slowly but got better as the practice went on Wednesday, and part of that was because his receivers started to win on some of their routes. When I say started slowly, I mean with everyone except Beasley, who has without question become Allen’s favorite target, and I don’t think that will change moving forward. Beasley said that even though he missed so much time in the spring recovering from core muscle surgery, he and Allen have quickly formed a bond in training camp and it just seems like whenever Allen needs him, Beasley is available. One of the keys to the Bills offense will be the option routes that are Beasley’s bread and butter, and we saw plenty of those succeed against the Panthers. One reason is that Allen and Beasley are starting to see coverages the same way, and Allen is delivering the ball when and where it needs to be. “I never really thought we were far off from the beginning, but we caught on pretty quick,” said Beasley. “Now, I have an option route and I’m out of my break and it’s there. Whenever you have a quarterback who can do that, there’s a lot of opportunities after the catch. I told him that today.” Beasley recounted one in particular. “I came out of one today on my break and the ball got on me so fast I almost didn’t expect it that early,” he said with a smile. “I told him after that, ‘Dude, if you get the ball to me that fast, I’m going to get a lot for you after.’ It’s so much easier on me and it’ll make us so much better as an offense.

I know you are kidding but McCoy and Edmunds for Keuchly and McCaffrey. Yes or no? I think the Panthers say no.

Oh, for sure, but they have him and a bunch of borderline backups at LB. Mosley can also be exploited due to his coverage skills. We have Edmunds, the prototype modern LB, along with Milano and Lorax. With Williamson, this would be a closer discussion, but I think a vast majority go with the Bills LB's hands down over the Jets LB's due to that injury.

The Bills still need to prove they can stop the run. The Jets and Dolphins always seem to gash us, no matter how bad they are that year. We haven't even played against true #1s in preseason yet, so let's just take a step back. That guy is a beast and should be afforded some respect in both running and pass catching. I love Edmunds, but the guy has never been a big tackler. He uses his size more than power. It was a knock on him before the draft and I haven't seen much different up to now. I don't really care as long as he makes the tackle, but he isn't really using the hit stick.

I can't wait for Edmunds to destroy him