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I am shocked someone isn't here to complain about Edmunds by now.

A better 1-tech DT will make Oliver and Edmunds more effective and lessen the pressure on our safeties to make so many run stops. Hanging this responsibility solely on Star wouldn't be my preference. I'd love to see a 1-tech in rounds 2-4.

Oliver has consistently improved. He has been good, it was his second year, and he and Edmunds were the two players most hurt by Star's absence. They both look like key building blocks and long-term fixtures. Both need to improve, but so does everyone.

Nope. Edmunds struggled this year, no question, but he’s not been Oliver-bad, ever, in my opinion. Oliver was the higher draft pick and has done far less in his time here.

I don't think everyone that complains wants Beane fired that's ridiculous. Beane has done a fabulous job in signing low budget free agents and he does his best work in the later rds of the draft. He hasn't really hit hard at the very top of the draft other then delivering us our franchise QB but he hasn't really wiffed either Edmunds, Oliver, Ford are all competent players and not complete busts . Could he be perfect ? No GM is perfect . Beane has also helped build the culture we got here in Buffalo and that's very hard to do while trying to put together a really good football team. I guess the only question is now can he and Mcd take us over the top? We'll find out.

My guess is that Bills fans (those unimpressed with him) and Bills management are VERY far apart in their assessment of Tremaine Edmunds to date. The thing is, I'd love to be wrong on either point. Best case is Edmunds finally realizes he's a monster of a man and begins to play like it. Much less appealing is that the Bills decide he hasn't earned a long-term deal and they move on. Worst case is he continues logging low-impact (not inept, just not really impactful) performances and the Bills extend him for big money.

Based on the reactions to my post, I guess we are in the minority on this, lol. A lot of faith in Edmunds out there. Personally I've seen enough. I can live with him getting another year, but I am concerned that McBeane will give him a long term deal even if we don't see any improvement.

disgruntled people make stuff up all the time. I'm sure Parson's was mean to him, but there is zero evidence he sexually harassed him. the Edmunds issue is why we need a LB at 30 or in the 2nd. Also, we just flat out need a 3rd LB!

As long as Milano stays healthy and plays well, Edmunds days may be numbered...Milano has an “out” in his contact after two years- exactly when the decision on Edmunds will need to be made...no way they keep both, given Allen’s anticipated contract...stay tuned...

The biggest thing that would influence this is willingness to pay Edmunds what some have estimated here, $15M per year. I don’t think LB has played at that value and we signed Milano already. If they aren’t sold on Edmunds at that cost, I think this is in play.

I’m sort of taking this as a Beane reaction thread (leaving the McD draft and FA out, ie 2017). He and McD as a tandem have been one of the best things to happen to this team in a VERY LONG time. The upcoming years will test his draft record pretty hard. QB- let’s get this out of the way. He hit on QB, even when a lot of us thought he missed (myself included). Because of this he gets a pass on other spots on the roster. Obviously the Peterman debacle was bad. Dog stayed healthy without reliance on Barkley, and Mitch is a major upgrade. Grade- rock hard. OL- He absolutely upgraded the line through FA. Morse, Williams, Feliciano, have all been important cogs. This is probably his best work in FA. Ford seems very “meh” at the moment. We all seem to be collectively holding our breaths for him to pan out as a second rounder. Most of us would also probably like Wyatt Teller back. Grade, B-. Holding the Teller trade and Fords lack of being impressive against him. He’s done above average here easily. RB- miss. Sorry guys. Singletary is at best meh right now. Moss looks like he could have some spark. But not enough...yet. Plus the Frank Gore experiment, not good. Grade- D, this has just not been a good group from Gore on. TE- Still a position of need. I would love a stud, but overall I am happy with the passing game so I am not going to grade Knox, Kroft, etc. terribly harshly. That was a serviceable group and look to be serviceable heading into 2021. Grade- C, they were “good enough”. We haven’t spent a lot of resources one way or the other. WR- You could make an argument that he did a better job overhauling the WR room than he did OL and I wouldn’t argue with you. Love this group with or without Brown. Davis looks to be a man waiting in the wings. Diggs, Brown, Beasley, all immediate contributors and game changers for how we play that side of the ball. Grade- A, Diggs alone raises this immensely. Plus Beasley, very good group. DL- Our best DLman is from Whaley still. We have way over spent on bad production. Harry seems like JAG. Oliver was out of position most of 2020, so who knows. Star, I’ll call a wash since this board is split. But his contract is a lot, and we ate a huge Dareus contract at the same time to sign him. The rest are JAG. Grade- below average. LB- I am underwhelmed. We traded up for Edmunds, so with that I am a bit underwhelmed. I am not high or low on him. To me he either has the right feel for the game on any given Sunday or he doesn’t. The difference when he is in the right rhythm/zone is astonishing to me. Milano is exciting when he can get his full snap count. At our current price without an Edmunds extension is OK. This group could face a lot of pitch forks and torches if we get 2020 production out of them for what could be $25M +. Grade- wait and see. DB- Tre was here first. Vontae quit. Norman is JAG at the moment. Wallace is great depth, you could do worse but could do better. Our safety tandem precedes him. Grade- FA/Draft has been average here.

The Edmunds Decision is Beane’s second toughest test as GM. The coach - who hired him - seems to love the player. Can Beane make an objective evaluation of Edmunds and if so, will it lead to an expensive option for a player who has underperformed, setting the floor for an expensive second contract? Alternatively will Beane go against the wishes of the coach who brought him here? If they pay Edmunds they need to see a real jump in productivity. They’ve been talking about potential for four years now. It’s fine to pay for potential on a rookie deal but not a monster extension.

Relating to possibly selecting Micah Parsons at #30: I heard Chris Brown on One Bills Live today say that when the Bills(presumably) exercise Tremaine Edmunds' 5th year option......... because he made the Pro Bowl in his first 3 years......his 2022 salary becomes fully guaranteed for 2022 at that moment when they exercise the option.........not just for injury..........and that the amount becomes the amount for the transition tag two years from now......so likely $15M-$16M. If this is true........not good. Not being able to cut bait next spring takes away any leverage to get a long term deal done at a reasonable rate if he continues to not be a difference maker. Puts pressure on to extend him and sets a pretty high bar for the salary at stake. For the couple mill difference they might be better off NOT picking up the option and then being able to franchise tag him if he breaks out and seems worthy of that kinda' money. As it relates to Parsons..........if they select him.........they may feel a lot less pressured to pick up that option(which has to be done a few days after the draft).

First off, if they could restructure, that was likely always a part of the plan. Although, truly, is 8m or so (as you've pointed out it's not 10m) really all that crazy for a 1T DT if he WAS one of the main reasons the defense played as it did in 2018 & 2019 and that they were the best team against tight ends. Yes, there could be many reasons, but when a player is brought in to fix a particular problem and when he is there that problem is gone and when he leaves it's back, that's quite the coinkidink you've got there. You act like being double-teamed and eating up space in the middle is something insignificant. He takes up another blocker and eats up space in the middle the way he's supposed to and it makes it all that much harder for the opposing QB to make that pass up the middle (or run); it frees up Oliver, Hughes, Epenesa, et al to wreak more havoc behind the line; that in turn makes it easier for Edmunds and Milano (and Poyer and Hyde even) to do their jobs covering receivers and TEs in the middle. We'll see what happens next year, but if the defense is back in the top 5 and suddenly we can guard tight ends again, maybe we can start giving the guy some credit. For 8m, to me, that's a pretty good deal in today's NFL. As for Murphy, I was mostly agreeing with you. That said 7m does not seem that bad for a rotational DE who was a major part of some wins, but as you said, there were too many games when he was inactive, so, I'm fine he's gone and would have been fine if they had released him last season. Addison--I thought I was totally agreeing with you. I'm glad he's back because he had moments and I'll grant it was a weird year all around last year, but mostly because in interviews he's clearly a big part of the culture there and I'm glad he'll get the chance to prove his worth in what will hopefully be a more traditional year. That said, if he had not taken a pay cut, I would have been fine with his release.

I hear all of who are saying we dont need a third LB. IMO our defense is still light in the ass and neither Edmunds nor Milano are sturdy enough against the run. New England didn't just sign two tight ends to not put them on the field. Tampa's running game in the Super Bowl was hugely impactful, KC whipped us twice because we can't stop the run or defend a tight end. If the question is do we need another LB or a big nickel the answer is yes. We need both.

There's been literally no corroboration to Isiah Humphries story. PSU's locker room IS NOT a perfect place. Like everyone, they have some real bad eggs in there, some prima donnas, and some drug problems. My point here, is that Micah is one of the good guys. No one is that universally loved by a football program and community and still have an awful story like Isiah Humphries be true. And here's the thing, there problem is something to Humphries experience at PSU that was pretty terrible. And I'd imagine it involved a player or two, but his story on Micah just doesn't fit any other corroborative knoweldge, nor of Franklin who he claimed told him to keep it quiet or get booted from the program. That doesn't fit his style/persona. As for specifically this question, no way would I support drafting Micah. He's not THAT much better than Edmunds, and putting that much investment into LB isn't worth it IMO. Maybe if Milano had left. He's got elite potential as a pass rusher. He was a DE in HS and a 5* as a pass rusher. He just had a higher/gamer changing impact at Linebacker.

Great idea. Run Edmunds out of town at all cost. He is, after all, the new magnet for all blame.

To ge fair, the bills were very good against TEs in 2019. Milano and Edmunds being hurt most of the year probably contributed to this years stats.

This is not an indictment of Edmunds. They probably just want depth or at least look into him.

I was a defensive line coach on the college level and this statement is the furthest from wrong. Will it effect Oliver? YES absolutely but from there my friend your wrong. There is a domino effect that happens. When your inner Line gets better your DE gets better. your other DT gets better. and when everyone is doing there job properly on the line it frees up more opportunities at the MLB position. Edmunds will have more holes t chop through. your OLB/DE/Slot CB will set the edges easier when that happens, forcing the HB inside... Right in the hands of the MLB. Everything gets easier. now your LB's have good positioning and the DB's can get more aggressive on the plays. so your wrong if you think this doesn't influence the LBS. Everything in front of them influences their next action. So. Bottom line will this help Oliver? yes he will flourish. but indirectly so will Edmunds

He'd play outside in a 4-3 so I'm not sure it would affect Edmunds much, if at all. He's a little raw but looks like he could be a good pursuit backer.

As far as their allotted official 30 visits: In 2018, Bills did not meet with Edmunds. In 2019, Bills did not meet with Ford. In 2020, Bills did not meet with Epenesa (but: COVID). As far as chatting with them in passing or at the combine....that may be a different story and is harder to track.

I think having Starr back will help, with the lack of a 'people eater' Edmunds may have been playing more downhill. He is not instinctual and would be better suited covering vs playing downhill and attacking the line.

They were the best in 2019 though, with same guys. Edmunds/Milano being banged up made a big difference there

The biggest problem that I see - is that if the Cap after the adjustment is in the 190-195 million range - with the restructures from this year - we are already in worse CAP shape for next year - before signing Edmunds and Allen to their 5th year options or extensions. We have fewer people under contract at a higher base cost, which is why Beane is working hard not to push to much into next year.