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Tyson Bagent of the Bears is the guy I want. In a camp fight with PJ Walker and that Nate Peterman

Things going for the Bills: Better QB More cohesion/continuity Rodgers has started slowly 3 seasons in a row Rodgers is 39 and did not look good last year, and the Jets' offensive line is worse than the Packers' It is hard to maintain elite defenses across seasons Nate Hackett is not very good McDermott has owned this coaching tree, and the Bills have embarrassed Saleh before Things going for the Jets: Home primetime game Hype for the new-look offense/Rodgers Defense that Allen has only dominated once in 6 tries since 2020 I don't think we sweep the Jets and Dolphins, we will drop 1 or 2 games between them. But the Bills are perfectly capable of winning week 1, even in dominating fashion. They have won tougher games

ESPN used to be an all day watch. Flip it on and have SportsCenter in the background all day. Now? It's a nauseating bunch of know it all's that say things not to educate or report on what happened in the world of sports...but to cause controversy and get their name out there. They moved away from intelligent sportscasters to more and more former athletes who prove that those that actually play the game are often the least knowledgeable about it. There are of course some exceptions to that, but for every Nate Burleson there are 20 Emmanuel Achos.

Late to the party. Just finished watching it. First off, these Untold stories on Netflix are really good. Some observations: - I am not versed enough about the mental health aspects to wager an opinion about how they contributed. However, things came at him too fast after his freshman season. The game, money, celebrity status. He went from structure in high school to complete unchecked freedom. - Stiking to me how much he reminds me of a young Liev Schreiber, both in looks and speaking pattern. Has nothing to do with anything...just an observation. - While they did have his former agent and "Uncle Nate" on, I found it striking that there were no former teammates speaking on his behalf, especially about what they saw from him his freshman year. - I know it's a small sample and heavily edited...but I really don't like how his parents came off. From this short documentary it really seems like his sister is the only person in his life that didn't view him as a cash cow. - He was never set up fundamentally, emotionally or any other way to have a long successful NFL career...but could he have landed in any worse situation than the Cleveland Browns? Pettine was hired to coach because no one else wanted that job. Then you take the flash and glamour that Johnny had and stick him in Cleveland freaking Ohio...on a team that has the most drab uniform, stadium and fan base in the NFL for one of the worst owners in sports. No wonder why he wanted no part of football after that. - While it may not be the tone some would have liked...in his way I thought he showed a lot of personal growth from where he was when he was a player. Seemed very humbled for the most part. - It was fun remembering that 2 of the 3 finalists for the Heisman the year he won were him and Manti Te'o...who both now have their own Untold episode (highly recommend the Te'o one of you haven't seen.) User name checks out🤣🤣

None whatsoever. Besides, the Bills are good enough on their own without fan hope of not signing their CBs when they still have some jam left -- Nate Clements, Antoine Winfield Sr., Jabari Greer, Stephon Gilmore.... Besides, thinking that Kaiir Elam is ever going to be a #1 CB on a contending NFL team is just plain foolish.

The kid was ok until college. Went to a regimented HS program. Once in college the NCAA money making meat grinder swallowed him up. The best part of this show was learning about "Uncle Nate"--this kid was a balls out genius at age 20 hooking up Johnny with tons of money making schemes. How he came upon with the "his parents come from oil money". was amazing because everyone simply believed it (including me until that show). Plus how he admits to everything and exactly how it worked.

Kyle Allen is making me miss Nate Peterman. At least he could play in the preseason.

1 - coming back with a 10 year old thing I might have said when I was in full eball homer mode? Yeah, I guess I wasn’t impressed with Carr’s 3-13 season and didn’t want to give up on our 1st round pick (mainly because he was nice and had 1st time nfl OC Nate Hackett as his coach). but yeah Dave. You got me. Carr is better than EJ!!! Of course, they have the same amount of playoff wins and Carr got cut and signed a below market deal. (Though I think NO is a good fit for him). 2 - why don’t point on me talking up Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, or Hirts became they became starters? Oh wait, you had to use some random example from 10 years ago? Check out the Mahomes training camp thread before he became a starter that was a 100 pages long, where idiots like Eball and lil’ Rico were trashing him. Or me losing my mind about trading up for Zay Jones instead of staying put and drafting Cooper Kupp or Juju. Nah, can’t use those. Sounds like an agenda. 3 - Allen and Fields weren’t that much different in their first 2 years. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FielJu00.htm does this mean Fields will get to Allen’s level? Hell no but Allen took a major jump when we got Diggs. I don’t think DJ Moore is on Diggs’ level but is a major upgrade. as for Jones, there is legit nothing special about him. Nothing. He also is a whiny douche who has temper tantrums. You made a great point about the OSU and players around him. I do have to admit Jones really elevated that struggling, talentless Bama program so salute to him. Has Jones been better than Fields so far? I guess. But even a fading Belichick might have a slight edge over the Bears’ coaches. But am I very happy that the Pats settled with Jones, who they tried benching last year? Absolutely. I’d rather miss with the guy with superstar traits than settle with the guy with meh traits. But do you. 4 - I’m sure you have had plenty of terrible takes but I don’t care to remember them. But I’m way more right than wrong. Ask Stevestojan after our bet. Or BillfromNYC. Let’s talk turkey and you name the stakes.

That's because EJ had Nate Hackett's "easy" playbook down by mini-camp. https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/e-j-manuel-says-bills-offense-easier-learn-165504223.html

I just can’t get myself to ever fear a Nate Hackett offense regardless of who his QB is. I can certainly see them start off really slow and not gain any momentum until it’s already too late.

Ha. I agree. I watched his college film and thought he was undraftable. But the rumour in the Bills building was Daboll was all about making sure people realised quite quickly and there was no danger of him being asked to polish a turd for more than a half. Of course it was McDermott's final decision. And he never shirked it at all. Both times he chose to start Peterman over other options he owned it and accepted the mistake. The 2018 mistake I do partly blame Beane for. His "wait out the first couple of days of FA and take the scraps" strategy resulted in our "true vet" option being AJ McCarron. Once it was apparent he sucked (no surprise) they were on to start Josh vs start Nate and I think what happened is they were trying to protect Josh rather than ask "who is the better guy?" But it should have been apparent to everyone in that building that Nate Peterman sucked. I can't think of a worse NFL QB who has started for multiple teams in my 20 years of watching the league.

Josh Allen was Nate Peterman's backup.

16) Red Skelton Less seriously I'll go with Nate (the not so great) Peterman for purely selfish reasons - this site would be a hoot if it ever happened (again).

Because this is very objective we will specifically make it as in rank the best QB to backup Josh Allen. Rate your top 2 backup QB's you'd want behind Josh. If you want to do them as an entire ranking, be my guest. As part of the hypothetical, these QB's would be at their peak. 1) Kyle Allen 2) Matt Barkley 3) Davis Webb 4) Case Keenum 5) Mitch Trubisky 6) Derek Anderson 7) Nate "the GOAT" Peterman 😎 Joe Webb 9) EJ Manuel 10) Cardale Jones 11) Matt Cassell 12) Kevin Colb (edit: his name would matter if he didn't get his ass kicked by a rubber mat) 13) Matt Leinert 14) Vince Young 15) Honorary Buffalo Bills John Skelton For bonus points: how many games in a 4 game stretch do you think they could win?

Nate Hackett had success with Kyle Orton in buffalo... He was stuck with one of the biggest busts in Bill's history with EJ Manuel Blake bortles threw for 35 touchdowns and 4,000 yards under his tutelage And he had success with Aaron Rodgers That's success with three different quarterbacks ranging from journeyman to out of the league to Hall of famer Certainly shouldn't be a head coach but he's definitely knows offense and is a very good QB coach and competent OC

Don't have a hard on for him .. it's been my MO at the old message board and here to stick up for coaches as I still coach Coaches are a fraternity and we don't throw each other under the bus usually And I never said Nate was a genius... Never not once.. I said he's not as incompetent as half of this board makes him out to be And He knows more about football than everybody here That's it and that's all... He has success in the NFL on his resume he's not as bad as what people make him to be And he has a better resume than dorsey

Nate Hackett is by all measure, a smart man but a bad coach. The greater NFL fraternity also really likes and respects his dad. Nate Hackett has an air of Luis Castillo coaching invincibility. No matter how bad he is at his job, do not fear, he *will* be hired for another one. You can almost hear Hugo Weaving - You hear that Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability."

Somehow Sean Payton who signed the most lucrative contract a coach has ever signed in the NFL and was literally suspended for putting bounties on players is now throwing other coaches under the bus. Since it is Nate Hackett who literally couldn’t coordinate a 7th grade field trip to the zoo I guess it’s ok.

I just hope Nate Hackett sucks as a play caller on September 11, 2023!

Yours is literally the first hard-on for Nate Hackett I’ve ever witnessed. The guy is a walking example of nepotism. If “Dorsey needs Allen” then most certainly “Nate needs Rodgers.” One blip of a season with Blake Bortles didn’t make Nate a genius.

True, but LaFleur called the plays the whole time in Green Bay so it's hard to know who was more responsible for Aaron playing at an MVP level. Was Rodgers's decline last year due to age, coaching (no Nate Hackett), or not having Davante Adams to throw too? How will Rodgers do with Hackett calling plays for him for the first time? How quickly can the Jets acclimate to Hackett's offensive scheme? Hackett to me was an average NFL offensive coordinator at best before going to Green Bay.

There are 8 regions in TBT. They try to limit travel by keeping teams near their home region. About half the teams are college alumni. The rest are teams organized to promote a cause or just pick-up teams sponsored by a donor. The great part about Blue Collar U is it allows UB fans to relive that Nate Oats glory era. These players still play the way they did at UB, living up to the blue collar name.

Burning bridges with who? Nate Hackett? He's a bum. At least Payton has the nuts to say what really was going on there. It's what most football fans could plainly see.

He’s not wrong about the Jets absolutely positively everything being said about them last year is exactly what people were saying about the 2022 Broncos down to Nate Hackett. ESPN has literally gotten borderline unbearable to watch with the hype they have given this team.

The Bills had some REALLY bad offensive coordinators during the drought. But there was just something about Nate Hackett that was especially awful. Not sure I could even put my finger on it, but I must say I was floored when the Broncos hired him last year.