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Nah, I won't. Only about the poster's on "The Stadium Wall".

That's because they both suck and would try to find any excuse for their shortcomings. I blame the player/coaches, not the area they are from (or their forefathers).

Interesting. I am now wondering where the main cultural (not ethnic) groups of Buffalo's population rank for intelligence, because there seems to be an excessive amount of idiocy on this board. I don't think people from this area should analyze football. They are tough of course, hard workers and all that, just not smart. It's genetic...

And it's not like Trent Edwards tore it up every time he played indoors, or in warm weather. He sucked in the snow, and sucked in the sun. He sucked.

Well what happened to all these Pennsylvania QB's for the last 20 or so drafts?

You decide! Here ya' go (from Wikianswers- might have missed a QB, but probably accurate) Pennsyvania Gus Ferrote - Ford City, PA Jim Kelly - East Brady, PA Mike McMahon - Pittsburgh, PA Willie Thrower - New Kennsington, PA Terry Hanratty - Butler, PA George Blanda, Dan Marino, Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana, Joe Namath, Lujack, Hostettler Mark Bulger, Pittsburgh, PA Bruce Gradkowski, Pittsburgh, PA Then California (for some reason, Troy Aikman isn't on this list, but he is from West Covina, CA and played at UCLA. Maybe there are too many to remember!) http://myespn.go.com/blogs/calhisports/0-0...arterbacks.html

that was 30 years ago

It's a myth people want to believe, because they want to feel like Buffalo is just too tough for Californians (just CA, not Florida or Louisiana, or Alabama, or Georgia or other warm place that have produced good QB's). California just represents everything Buffalo resents. I know because I have spent many years in both places. California has it's quirks (LA is filled with shallow people, but that dissipates the further away from the city you get) There is no lack of "toughness" there either, plenty of life obstacles to overcome.

You been drinking?

I know what he said, I also know the history of California QB's, and warm weather QB's in the north, because I researched it. Some work out , others don't, JUST LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE!. I'm glad you are talking Warm Weather, does that mean I can include guys from ANY warm weather area in my argument, because so many come from the South? Or are you gonna pull out the "SoCal laidback and soft" argument too? The South has produced GREAT QB's for all weather (Fran Tarkenton, Terry Bradshaw, Bret Favre, Bart Starr, Randall Cunningham(not great) didn't seem to mind the cold). Jim Kelly has been THE ONLY successful QB in Buffalo (no AFL please, no Joe Ferguson please), so it's pretty hard to gauge the QB successes (yeah he was from PA, but if he was from LA-USC would we only draft SoCal QB's? Surely not) The guy can get used to it, just like Tom Brady or whoever. Instead of 19, they get used to it at 22, 23. Point is, most QB's don't make the cut no matter where they come from. And Northern CA is way different in both climate and culture than Southern CA.

Not if he waits on the bench for a year, and in the meantime we add some O-lineman. We have already started rebuilding the line (please, I don't need someone to bring up the Eric Wood injury, I know about that. We'll see how that goes). I think they can get better without spending the 2010 1st rounder on a O-lineman. The sooner they get a QB in here developing, the better. He doesn't have to play right away.

I just went and looked up the first round QB's, and there just isn't any evidence that being born in CA, or playing college football in CA leads to failure (even on Northeasten teams) in the NFL. There are plenty of losers from the North (South, East, and West too) Jim Druckenmiller Rick Mirer Ryan Leaf Tim Couch Dave Brown (Kerry Collins/ Drew Bledsoe/Chad Pennington you decide on these guys, I think they were not so good.) And some of these guys could be considered "soft".

Sometimes I think Jim Kelly tells the fans what he thinks they want to hear.... A lot of this plays to Buffalo's inferiority complex (we may not have much here, but we're tough!) I can understand the argument about not wanting a guy that played college football in SoCal (though I disagree), but just being from California (home to maybe the best high school coaching in the country) is ridiculous. Most QB's are failures, the good ones are few and far between, and need to be groomed. And another name to add to Brady and Elway....Troy Aikman.

Martin Schotiodibrffer is 100 years old

Marty Schottwowfpinner would be 67 YEARS OLD by next season. You really believe that guy would have the energy and drive to rebuild this team? It would kill him. Shanahan. Old. These guys have sons that are better candidates for this project.

His offenses.

I don't know what candidates want the job, so I just look at the staffs of successful teams. Here's one (he has worked with Manning and Rothelisberger).... From the Steelers Website: "Bruce Arians begins his third season as offensive coordinator under new head coach Mike Tomlin, following three seasons as the Steelers wide receivers coach. It marks the fourth time he is serving as an offensive coordinator in his coaching career, including one previous time in the NFL and twice at the collegiate ranks. Arians, named to the Steelers’ coaching staff on Jan. 24, 2004, has over 32 years of coaching experience, including 16 years in the NFL. Arians has been instrumental in the development of quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. With 51 career wins, including a 22-9 mark during Arians’ two seasons as offensive coordinator, Roethlisberger has a .718 winning percentage, trailing only Tom Brady among active quarterbacks. Roethlisberger also became the second youngest quarterback to win two Super Bowls (26 years, 336 days) when the Steelers defeated the Arizona Cardinals, 27-23, in Super Bowl XLIII. Arians, 56, helped All-Pro wide receiver Hines Ward become one of the best wideouts in the NFL over the past five seasons. During Arians’ first five seasons with Pittsburgh, Ward has been to the Pro Bowl twice and was named Super Bowl XL MVP after finishing with 123 receiving yards and one touchdown. Ward also became the Steelers’ all-time receptions leader, surpassing Hall of Famer John Stallworth, and in 2007 became the team’s career leader in receiving yards and touchdown receptions. Arians also guided the Steelers to one of its most productive offensive years in the team’s history. In his first year as offensive coordinator in 2007, Arians helped Roethlisberger get elected to his first Pro Bowl as he broke Terry Bradshaw’s longstanding team record for most TD passes in a season with 32. Roethlisberger also finished with a career-best and team-record QB rating of 104.1. Prior to the Steelers, Arians spent three seasons (2001-2003) as the offensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns. In 2002 under Arians’ guidance, the Browns scored their most points since the 1987 season and also improved in virtually every major offensive category from the three years prior to his arrival. Arians was instrumental in the development of Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning, while serving as the Colts’ quarterback coach for three years (1998-2000). Under Arians’ tutelage, Manning totaled 4,413 yards and 33 touchdowns in 2000 to break his own club season record. His 33 touchdown passes in 2000 established a Colts’ franchise record previously held by John Unitas. He began his coaching career in 1975 as a graduate assistant at Virginia Tech. A 1974 Hokie graduate, Arians played quarterback and was voted the team’s most valuable player as a senior. Arians then held an assistant coaching position at Mississippi State (running backs and wide receivers) from 1978-80 before heading to Alabama to coach the running backs from 1981-82 under the legendary Paul “Bear” Bryant. He was also the head coach atTemple University from 1983-88. Arians also held positions with the Kansas City Chiefs (running backs, 1989-92), Mississippi State (offensive coordinator, 1993-95), New Orleans Saints (tight ends, 1996) and Alabama (offensive coordinator, 1997"

Okay. Pick your poison, Mike Leach or some guy from the CFL?

Okay. Pick your poison, Mike Leach or Jerry Glanville?

Okay. Pick your poison, Mike Leach or Jim Haslett?

What do y'all know about Paul Pasqualoni, the Dolphins DC? Obviously Parcells likes him.

okay, If I delete that part of the question will you go away and argue about that in a different thread?

Know anything about the Saints OC, Pete Carmichael? They seem to know what's goin' on.

I can't say that I'm very excited about ANY of the unemployed ex-head coaches out there, they seeem to either be too old or bit overrated (and mostly not interested in the Bills job). Who are the top coordinators out there that could possibly make a good head coach?

He was never gonna come to the Bills. Jim Haslett will be the last man standing