Big Turk

Christian Benford. 6th round pick. F**k the pro-bowl, should have been an All-Pro. Terrell Bernard. 3rd round pick. Groot at the end of the 1st round, is a pretty good pick. Bishop hasn't played enough yet, pretty sure he is going to be a very good player next year for us based on the way he improved as the year went on. Again, the problem you have is that you for some reason think the Bills are the ONLY team in the NFL that doesn't get a great player every time they pick. In fact, most teams don't. Most teams don't even get good players or starters out of most of their picks. Kansas City has missed on quite a few picks over the same period of time.

If you think the Pro-Bowl is a justifiable way at determining how good a player is, then I am not sure why you are even bothering watching the game. Might as well go watch something like checkers or tiddlywinks.

Crazy part is Dean Blandino's(who was head of NFL officials for many years) own brother is convinced it's rigged and he believes the NDA Dean signed won't let him discuss it or talk about it.

Now it's gotten to the point the refs can't even f**king spot the ball properly for their opponent for some reason.

Let's agree to disagree then. There was yard shaving going on the entire game regarding the Bills. At one point Romo was about to call them out on it and his mic mysteriously just cut out. Coincidence? Doubtful. Forget 4th down, that play should have never even happened because it was abundantly clear the play before was even MORE of a first down. But let's go to the 4th down call---how the f**k does the official with a CLEAR VIEW OF THE BALL who has it marked as a first down cede his spot to the official who could only see Allen's back and no view of the ball? It doesn't even make any goddamned sense! It's like the official running in was like "oh, sorry...forgot about what we are supposed to be doing on these plays! No, no...you are right even tho you couldn't even see the ball!" Nantz and Romo both think it's a first down, Gene Steratore, CBS Rules Analyst thinks it's a first down, Dean Blandino, Rules Analyst for Fox thinks it's a first down, all of America watching other than Chief fans(and if they are being honest, at least half of them think he got it too) thinks it's a first down! But the refs, with clear visual evidence of the tip of the ball being over the line claims it isn't a first down. You want to come in here and try and gaslight us and try and tell us this isn't happening when I was aware of it in real-time as the game was going on by the early 3rd quarter as it kept happening, you can go kick rocks. If you expect me to believe the officials somehow forgot how to spot the ball properly all game long for one team just by happenstance and it happened to be this game when I haven't seen that at all in the 40+ prior years I've watched this team, it's falling on deaf ears.

Just went and added it up for 2024...Bills draft class has an AV of 21, so that can be added to the number. Only behind Commanders(42), Rams(34), Chargers(31), Giants(29), Broncos(24), Titans(24), Bears(24), Raiders(23), and 49ers(23)... Bengals also tied for 21 with their seemingly endless number of picks they had. Chiefs in comparison had 12.

There is a thread on here where a poster has painstakingly gone thru and created spreadsheets that add up AV of every draft class for every team on a yearly basis. Go check out that thread. EDIT: I even found the link so you don't have to search for it.

If by having the most production as a whole of your drafted players since he has been GM, then yes, that is actually what his draft shows when you look at things analytically and not just throw out random hot takes you come up with in your mind that have little basis in reality.

Best thing about it? KC is essentially a divisional opponent now so he can still see them twice a year, with once being in an elimination game.

We are talking a play or two that goes differently in 3 games and the outcome is different. I'm not sure you couldn't just chalk that up to small sample size.

Players already talked about this ad nauseum in the locker room cleanout day. They said Spags had shown that look a bunch of times and the pressure was always coming from the other side all game so they slid the protection that way. When they did, they brought it from the other side for the first time all game. Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to the other team for a great play call at a crucial time. If Cyborg doesn't totally whiff on his block, Allen likely has enough time to get the ball to Kincaid for a regular easy catch. So in this case it was a combo of a great playcall and poor execution by the one person who could least afford to not execute on that play.

A ridiculous statement. Anyone who got to that level did so because they either are extremely talented or extremely driven and hate to lose. To win Super Bowls, you must be both. None of those players want to lose any time they step onto that field.

Best part was that it wasn't called until Toney had done it 4 or 5 times at least. He literally lined up in the same position the first play he was in the game.

it's inferred. Nobody waits 5 years otherwise.

C'mon...this seems like everyone piling in for a money grab like when you are at the parade and the car comes by tossing candy out the window and all the kids from everywhere run over to try and grab it.

That's true. He had to correct himself that many times after he said it was a first down. Was happening all night long.

He has people in his ear...or don't you know how broadcasts work? Also after having done it tens, if not hundreds of thousands of times throughout his career calling games, pretty sure he should be mostly accurate with those...at least in every other game I have heard him or any other announcer call they have been. Not this game.

This is exactly what I was saying...it wasn't just on that one 3rd or 4th down play, it was throughout the night. Nantz was incredulous by the 3rd quarter as to why the refs kept marking the Bills short when he would call first down. Happened at least 7 or 8 times. Never seen that happen as frequently as that game...it was ridiculous.

When his elbow lands, the entire ball is across the line, watch the slow replay that's posted. The better question might be why were the Bills constantly being marked short by a foot or two of first downs all night when it appeared they got enough for the first down? When Nantz starts complaining about the spots constantly being moved back after he says it's a first down something seems a little strange...been watching football 40+ years and can't say I've ever seen that happen THAT many times in a game to the same team.

Get a clue

The thing that stands out to me is that Reid looks like a "pancake eating muthaf***a"

And another one chimes in that the spot was BS. Dean Blandino, rules analyst for Fox says he believes Allen has the first down and said the judge who had a clearer picture of the ball shouldn't have ceded his spot to the guy who has Allen's back in view and not the ball. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/dean-blandino-believes-josh-allen-152414088.html