Big Turk

Have to believe it was far less than that accounting for the conditions he kicked it in...I would be shocked if it was over 5% with weather factored in.

Isn't it sad that even during the drought years we still had plenty of times the D sealed games for us but yet anytime it's left up to this D they fail?

They could have called the grounding since the ball didn't reach the LOS but Gabe Davis was literally 2-3 feet from where the ball landed which should have nullified that.

That is correct, it does not apply in the pocket. Allen was not in the pocket, he was near the sideline meaning the normal horsecollar rules apply

Except that is actually irrelevant. You cannot grab the inside of the jersey period, as stated in the NFL Rulebook below: Effectively Hochuli made up his OWN VERSION of the rule instead of using the one the NFL has.

It helps keep players fresh overall during the course of a game, but it also doesn't allow players to get used to playing a lot of snaps at once, especially in a hurry up situation. Typically the pass rush seems to go away completely during the late game drives and I can't help but think part of it may be they are not conditioned well enough in those situations to play that many snaps non-stop like some other players who are used to playing more snaps. Maybe I am totally off base but I don't think it's crazy to think that players who aren't conditioned to be playing snaps in that manner are going to be tired late in the drives.

Yeah it really is amazing....don't forget 13 seconds and that Butker drilled a 58 yard FG to tie it and send it to OT. It's not like it was some chip shot. Hail Murray...the Hail Hurts, which for all intents and purposes was the exact same play just not at the end of the game... AJ Brown fumble being overturned that would have sealed the win in OT. Just seems there is some sinister force at work that wants Buffalo fans to not only suffer but do so in the most cruel ways imaginable.

Same against MIN last year...Allen drives them down in FG range around the 20 and then throws a brutal INT to Peterson in the endzone to end it after Minnesota kicked a FG. 0-5 in OT situations...don't get how you can be that good within 2 minutes but that bad in OT.

That is not true necessarily. What IS true is that if the Bills don't have the ball LAST they are most likely going to lose. However, last year as we saw, when they had the ball last, the won 3 of those games with a last second FG(Baltimore, Miami and Detroit). They also got an INT against Mahomes to end the game in KC. So what needs to happen is somehow Allen needs to have the ball last and the Bills need to bleed the clock down to no time left and then score last. That's a really fine line to have to walk in the NFL and hard to do consistently.

Apparently this goes back to his days as a DC in Philly...maybe that is the real reason why Reid let him go...because at the key moments, his defense fails over and over again. Look at these comments from Reid after a late loss by Philly in 2010: "FOR 3 QUARTERS WE HAD IT RIGHT THERE."

Likely something they thought they could attack with a matchup against the Eagles in those situations with a bigger WR. Would help if Sherfield ran the correct routes tho.

Well...game management on D maybe in the 2 minute drill but on offense it's outstanding.

Yes, because Brady chose to use different personnel groupings. It's pretty simple.

You realize he doesn't control who is on the field in those personnel groupings right? Tell us you are clueless without telling us you are clueless tho. One of the silliest threads I have seen in a long time.

It's nice remembering what that was like watching the Ravens D do that to the Chargers twice last night. I mean even during the drought years we had a bunch of games where that happened.

That's not the best team in the NFL. They may have the best record but they have been Houdini and escaped a lot of losses this year, many times through sheer luck. That's the way it goes sometimes tho. Better to be lucky than good is a saying for a reason. Usually(but not always) teams that have this kind of luck during the regular season see their luck run out in the playoffs.

The only solution is to have the ball last so the other team doesn't have any time to respond. It worked 3 times last season for them(Baltimore, Miami and Detroit) where Bass kicked the winning FG with no time left in 2 of them and 2 seconds left against the Ravens. Frustrating watching the Ravens D shut down Herbert and the Chargers twice in those situations last night.

Ehh...not necessarily true. There was a front passing thru(obviously due to the rain) as as the front passes through with it's counterclockwise spin, the wind directions will change, so the wind direction at the start of the game was likely NOT the wind direction at the end of the game. Actually looking at the weather data from yesterday in Philly this is pretty much exactly what happened. Winds started out NE, shifted to E and then to N by the end of the game.

Could the difference between last year and this year simply be the Bills had the ball last with under 2 minutes to go in the game a lot last year and haven't this year? Baltimore, Detroit and Miami all came down to the Bills kicking a FG to win with no time left in both Detroit and Miami and :02 seconds left against the Ravens. Would we have seen the same collapse if the other teams had gotten the ball last year? The only defensive stop I can remember from that year late in the game to win it was against KC where Taron Johnson got the INT to seal it after Knox caught a TD. IMO, the best way to stop losing these games is to ensure Allen has the ball last because h is money in those situations. As bad as the D has performed late in games to close out, Allen has performed amazingly.

I can't believe the odds are that high honestly

SMFH Tucker misses an easy kick in good conditions...Elliott hits an impossible 60 yard kick in wind and driving rain against us. Sometimes it almost seems like reality only exists outside Bills games when it comes to kickers

https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/refs-missed-horse-collar-josh-allen-bills-eagles-video-nfl-fans-reaction https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2023/11/nfl-officiating-drawing-heavy-criticism-in-buffalos-matchup-vs-eagles-what-beef-does-sean-hochulis-crew-have-against-the-bills.html https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/11/26/josh-allen-jersey-ripped-referees-miss-penalty-bills-eagles

Even Gene Sterratore was openly wondering what the hell was going on...the missed horsecollar put him over the edge

Yes that looked almost identical to the "Hail Murray". That was in a dome at least!

Ask the Saint fans how great they thought he was when he was missing the playoffs with 3 straight 7-9 years with HOF QB Brees on their team.