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Nope. Too much my friend. (as in too much involved in the deal to actually happen) Yes, the value is close and I'll tell you why. Jackson is worth nothing to them right now because he's not going to play in San Diego. There is a zero percent chance he will come back. So having Lee Evans who is pro bowl capable with a good QB, is an enormous bonus. In addition, I don't know what it means that Whitner is in the last year of his contract. So what? San Diego lost Kevin Ellison from USC because of drug issues before the season started. They have a big hole there. And Meredith is simply a developmental guy for them. I would throw in a 4th or 5th round pick as well to make it happen, but I think this is fair value.

I think they have the wrong guy. That could be the voices Matthews hears in his head when he's about to kill someone.

I know, I get sick of the number of hypothetical trade threads that show up in this forum. This just seems to good to be true. San Diego is in a huge bind right now. They have a small window of opportunity to make a run at a championship, and two players at crucial positions don't want to play for them. Buffalo has a huge need on our QB's blind side, and we have some pieces that may work for San Diego. This would be enormous for both teams.

Sometimes, in order to get what you need you have to give up something valuable. That's why I think this is a really good trade: San Diego gets: Lee Evans Donte Whitner Jamon Meredith Buffalo gets: Marcus McNeill Vincent Jackson Do I think this would ever happen? No, I don't. Would it be good for both teams? Yes, it would. I believe Lee Evans has equal value to McNeill, and Whitner and Meredith have equal value to Jackson. Buffalo gets the LT they need and another #1 receiver, and San Diego gets a #1 receiver they don't have AND a Safety where they are very weak next to Weddle. In addition another developmental tackle since they're weak at that position right now. I love Evans and wouldn't normally want to trade him, but this seems ideal to me.

+1 Great Post

I actually agree with you on this. A lot of Bell's play was overshadowed by one play he missed and got Spiller drilled. And one play that he wasn't even in the game. It was Meredith that got plowed backwards into Trent. Bell didn't look great, but he looked better than I thought. Green made everyone else look bad on several occasions. I would love to see us get a big time LT and move Bell to RT. Or in the mean time, start Meredith on the right side until we have the opportunity to bring in a new player.

Take a look at Trent's college career at Stanford. http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/players/93189/gamelog Notice any patterns here? - Erratic across the board through his 4 year career as QB. Some decent games, lots of bad/mediocre games. - Consistent losing record. I don't care if he didn't lose in high school. - Every year he missed games with an injury. This includes his best statistical year in 2005. Notice the game against Marshawn Lynch and Cal, he got knocked out of the game with an injury. And the game against UC Davis, he was knocked out as well. - The O-line was blamed for his team's poor offensive play. Trent was looked at as a big "upside" player. He is the same QB he was in college. Once again, Trent is a likable guy and hard to root against. But it comes down to performance on the field, and the ability to lead your team to wins.

Bell had two guys to block and he went for Wake. If Trent had half a brain on that play he would have shifted Spiller to the other side to protect his blind side. But he went ahead like he didn't see it coming at all.

In the first play of this highlight video, Karlos Dansby runs around the left edge of our offensive line untouched and drills an unsuspecting Edwards in the back. The first thing that comes to mind is, who missed their blocking assignment??? How can someone go untouched to the QB so easily? Bell must have missed a block right? But after further review, this tells you more about Trent Edwards being completely oblivious to TWO linebackers STACKED on the left side of the line before the snap. And not just any linebackers... it was Karlos Dansby and Cameron Wake, the Dolphins best defenders. And Edwards has NO CLUE that they're about to trample his back side. He simply walks up to the line of scrimmage, takes the snap as if it doesn't matter what defensive formation he's playing, and drops back for a pass. YOU HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THE DEFENSIVE FRONT BEFORE THE SNAP TRENT!!! Unless you want to be a human punching bag, call out the blitzing backers/defensive ends/corners/safeties BEFORE THE PLAY STARTS. Being a QB is not just about running plays and executing. We'll see new defeses every week, and you have to adjust to the way teams play you. Watch the first play of this video. Pause it right before the snap, and look at the defensive front. And watch how Trent has no idea of what's about to happen. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81a78282/Dolphins-vs-Bills-highlights

I'm right here, you don't need to talk to someone else about my comments. Sorry guys, no more excuses for Trent. I re-watched the game. He stood there like a statue waiting to get demolished. There were a several plays that got blown up. Green was responsible for quite a few of them. And Meredith got blown backwards into Trent as well. But Bell was on the bench for that play. Trent is NOT GOOD. I'm not saying our O-Line was great. But they did enough to allow a decent QB to make some plays. And check the game again if you're questioning our running game. We only ran the ball 14 times with running backs. Freddy and Marshawn did a pretty good job with the carries they had. Spiller got caught running sideways a bit. But we saw that in some of the preseason games. We never established the running game today. This one's not on the O-line, and I stand by that,

Re-watch the game and tell me Trent doesn't have the opportunity on MANY occasions to get rid of the ball. And on top of that, he doesn't know what to do with the space he has in the pocket when it's there. Instead of stepping up to avoid the edge rush, he'll run backwards. Instead of throwing the ball and trusting that his receivers will get to the spot they need to be at, he waits to see if they run wide open. It's the most frustrating brand of football I've ever seen.

After watching that game, I was actually really impressed with our O-line. Especially Demetrius Bell. They gave Trent a good pocket out there for the most part, and Trent had plenty of time to throw the ball. The one exception was Green. He doesn't have quick enough feet, and he doesn't have a hard enough punch to play right tackle. He was getting beat around the corner pretty routinely. Guess what guys, Trent is not a very good Quarterback. You can't stand in the pocket that long without throwing the football down field and expect to be successful. I think this city forgot what a good QB looks like. Trent doesn't take risks, he doesn't see routes develop like an NFL QB should, he doesn't have a tough competitive drive, and he plays scared. I've seen enough of this. You don't have the luxury in the NFL to give guys this much time to develop. Give the ball to Fitzpatrick and see what he can do.

Take a look at this highlight video of the Bears vs. Raiders preseason game. Go to 1:25 in the video and watch what Cutler does. Yes I know it's a 5 step drop, but this is the kind of footwork I'm talking about. Cutler steps up and shuffles sideways to avoid the rush, all while keeping his eyes up field at his receivers. He ends up keeping the play alive long enough to hit a wide open Knoz in the endzone. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d819edf66/Raiders-vs-Bears-highlights

Yeah, I watch the games pretty carefully. And when the defensive ends speed rush around the edge or bull rush to collapse the pocket, the QB needs to either step up or shuffle sideways to give himself space to make a throw. This is a big reason you don't see completions over 10 yards. These routes take time to develop. We're seeing mostly quick slants, dump offs to RBs, and fade routes that can be tossed up quickly after a 3 step drop. Trent needs work on his footwork, and Brohm could use some help there too.

Three guys have taken snaps at RT for the Bills this preseason, and this is what I've noticed so far: - Kirk Chambers should be cut. The guy is not only a revolving door, but he was called for several penalties in the first game. Just not very good. Unfortunately we had to watch Brohm play with this guy getting killed at right tackle. Hopefully he gets a shot with better blocking in front of him. - Cornell Green doesn't have very quick feet and it showed with the Colts speed rush. However, he looked great in run blocking situations. He's big and pretty athletic as well. If he stays injury free, he should be a serviceable starter for us. - Kyle Calloway. This guy is a BEAST. I made sure to watch him in particular in both preseason games. Not only is the guy huge, but he's also quick and nasty. He finishes his blocks and buries defenders. Had a few miscues, but the outlook on him is very good. This guy will be a starter for a long time for us if he stays healthy. Great late round pick.

While it's true that Peyton is one of the NFL greats, he is just one of many QB's I can name that have a great ability to extend plays. You could include Tony Romo, Aaron Rodgers, Phil Rivers, Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, and Ben Roethlisberger. I've even seen flashes from young guys like Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Mark sanchez. But those guys still have a lot to prove. Bottom line, Trent needs to work on this part of his game.

Their footwork in the pocket, ability to extend a passing play, and keeping their eyes up field when they step up in the pocket. You can see it particularly with Edwards. If he's not given enough time on his initial drop back, he either takes the sack or tucks the ball and runs. It's a rare occurrence when Trent steps up in the pocket, keep his eyes on his receivers, and completes a 10-20 yard pass. On Edwards pass to Evans, he had all day to sit there and watch Lee run down field and make that throw. It was a perfect pass, but he had all day to make it. Watch Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning move int he pocket. It's amazing to see these guys work. They can keep a play alive just by shuffling forwards, backwards, or sideways all while keeping their eyes up field on the WR's. There has to be a way to teach these guys (including Brohm) better pocket awareness and ability to escape the rush. This is the most glaring issue I see with our QB's.

I'm just curious what makes Locker any better than Tim Tebow or Dan Lefevour? He's basically a right handed poor man's version of Tebow as far as I can see. Take a look at these facts: - Spread offense QB - Relies on his legs rather than remaining in the pocket often - 2,800 yards passing, 21 TDs, 11 Ints, and 388 yards rushing, 7 TDs - 58% passer - 5-7 record Compare that to Tebow's junior year stats of 64% passing, 2,800 yards, 30 TDs, 4 Ints, 673 yards rushing, 12 TDs. And an 11-1 record to top that off. So what gives? Why does everyone love Locker and despise Tebow? And why would he be better in the NFL than Ryan Mallett, who has all of the tools to run a pro style offense as a pocket passer?

Receivers are going down too regularly in practice with knee and ankle injuries. There has to be an issue with the turf for this many guys to go down. First Hardy his rookie season, then Easley, and now Nelson. Not good.

My point was that Fitz is already viewed as a backup. So starting him this season doesn't mean as much to the fans. That way when the draft comes around, we can turn the page to the new Bills era I was talking about. That being said, I wouldn't mind the scenario you mentioned.

I agree, and I can't stand that the majority of news that ESPN talks about is salary cap, player contract, or NFL revenue related. Fans don't care, they just want to see their favorite team beat the other team. You're completely right. I used the salaries as just another reason Trent is in a bad situation. Probably not as relevant as other factors.

After looking around a little more, it appears the Fox Sports NFL team salaries may be outdated. Either way, it looks like this: Trent: $1.6 million Fitz: $2.3 million Brohm: $470,000

Fabricate what? See here: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/buffalo-bills/salary/67039 I think Trent deserves to be paid more if he's going to start, and it's insulting that the backup would make more than him. And I think that if he wants a shot at being successful, it should be a fresh start on another team. To set the record straight, I will support any QB the Bills put on the field opening day. I'm a Bills fan through thick and thin.

I think Buddy and Chan want to properly develop Brown like the 7th round prospect he is. You don't see too many 7th round QB's starting their first year in the NFL, and there's a reason for that. Typically you're taking a risk on a player that has raw talent that needs to be developed, and in Levi's case also played at a small school. No way is he ready for the NFL yet. I believe the plan all along has been to keep Levi as the 3rd stringer and cut one of the 3 other QB's.

This would be the worst possible scenario. He was drafted as a developmental QB, so let's treat him like that. For once this team needs to properly develop a quarterback. Brown should not be thrown into the fire too early.