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You need one more W at the end there. There's no way we have a first round bye, so we have to win 4 times in the postseason. It could happen...

Huzzah!

You might as well give up. I have spent the last day and a half trying to explain to people that the season is far from over, but the bull-headed pessimists refuse to listen to reason.

Just let it go. Unless Trent gets hurt(knocking on wood right now) you are never again going to see JP on the field in a Bills uniform. You might as well just accept it and support the guy who is going to be starting for us for a few years.

I see the mistake laden play the last few weeks not as a lack of good coaching, but as a typical symptom of young players learning the pro game. Here are some interesting facts for you: Avg NFL experience of team(as of opening day) = 2.8 yrs Avg NFL experience of starters(those listed 1st on bb.com depth chart) = 3.9 yrs If you ask me, some mistakes are to be expected from a team this inexperienced. But on the bright side, many of our players have many years left and will only improve(including all of the promising youg talent on the roster) setting us up for a long period of success.

Bingo

As I said earlier, aside from the QB play(which I billieve is an abberation) the rest of the team played very well Monday night. The O-Line was dominant, the backs were spectacular, the defense(especially the secondary) were great, the special teams were fantastic, Fewell called a great game, and with the exception of the last 3 plays, Schonert called a dynamic and unpredictable game. Had Trent not experienced the struggles he had, Monday night would have been a blowout win. If Trent can straighten himself out and the rest of the team continues to play the way they did Monday, we could very well win out and end up 11-5 and in the playoffs.

Love the dick-o-meter, thats funny

If the cheats beat the fish, the fish beat the jests week 17, and we beat all three, the entire AFC East would have a 3-3 division record. I like the way that looks. Very big IFs though.

I am very optimistic. The QB struggled, but we say some signs of life from this team monday. The line was again dominant, the backs were fantastic, the defense was better than it has been lately, the secondary was great, Fewell called a great game and with the exception of the last 3 plays, Schonert called a dynamic and unpredictable game. I see no reason not to be optimistic. This team is far better than they were the last number of seasons and I am extremely happy about that. And, in the end, I'm just a fan. My livelihood doesn't depend on the success of the team(although sometimes my mental state does), I just love to watch the game of football and I am loving watching this group of young players grow and improve into what will be a great team.

Right, because we didn't suck entirely until 1988? In the 20+ years I've been a fan, we have a winning record fewer than half of them. I have been through the struggles before the "glory days" and have stood by this team through the struggles of the last decade, never losing faith in my team and never doubting their ability to turn things around. Just because I wasn't alive for the sad sad seventies doesn't make me less of a fan of this team. If anything, the fact that I have never lived in WNY and hadn't even seen it until four months ago makes me a better fan. I grew up and lived most of my life in the San Francisco bay area, during the raiders last superbowl and the years that the 40 whiners dominated the league. It would have been very easy for me to say "you know what, why don't I just support the local team," but I didn't, despite the local teams 5 superbowl rings. The fact that you are older than me does not make you a better fan of the Bills. And doesn't mean I haven't been through plenty of struggles and heartbreak with this team.

Thats the one. "The hit heard round the world" as whiner fans like to call it. I was a fresh faced teenager, got the tickets 11 days prior as a b'day present, rocked every piece of Bills gear I had been able to buy with my minimum wage job, and had middle-aged SF fags fans trying to start fights with me. Summummabiches had too much wine and cheese at their tailgate.

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Grab your helmet! your bus is here!

Since the mid-eighties, pal. Just because I continue to billieve in my team when things aren't going well means I'm new? How do you come to that conclusion?

If JP becomes an all-pro, or at least a serviceable qb, somewhere else, then good for him. I don't see the potential in him for that to happen, but good luck to him, and good riddance.

Go Bills. This is coming from a Bills fane who has only driven through Buffalo one time and stopped at the Ralph during the offseason when nothing was happening. I was born and raised in California, live in Boston and have only seen the Bills play on the road(@ SF in 95, @ Oak in 05 and @ NE* this year). Despit all of this, I couldn't see myself ever loving another professional sports team the way I love the wagon circling Buffalo Bills!

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Exactly

Get over it. JP is not the starting quarterback and he is not going to be the starting quarterback. After this season, he won't even be a Buffalo Bill. Let it go and move on.

Every deer hunter I know brings home the kill and feeds his friends and family with it. I have never met a hunter who would go to all the trouble of getting up before the ass-crack of dawn, loading up his gear, finding a good spot to set up his deer stand and waiting for hours on end for an animal that may never arrive just to kill it and leave it there. If I recall correctly, it is also illegal to leave your kill behind, just like it is to kill dogs for fun.

All this pessimism around here is out of control. The following is a reply I posted in another thread that I feel needs to be more visible. And, I added a little to the end. Why so cynical? Take a look at the rest of our schedule: Week 12 - @Chefs - Just plain suck, d is a joke and offense is no better Week 13 - 40 Whiners - Just plain suck, and traveling from west to east Week 14 - Phish - Anything can happen in division games, and this one is almost home Week 15 - @Jests - Anything can happen in division games and who knows which Favre shows up Week 16 - @Ponies - Horrible defense, the O, especially the running game could put up huge #s Week 17 - Patsies* - Anything can happen in division games, and this one is at home. It's not over yet. Our team stepped up big in a number of ways last night. The o-line looked dominant in run and pass blocking, Beastmode and Head looked awesome, the defense finally looked almost up to expectations, the special teams were awesome until the last field goal, Fewell pulled his head out of his @$$ and called a pretty damn good game and with the exception of the last three plays Turk actually called a pretty dynamic and unpredictable game. If Edwards can shake off the funk he's in(KC and SF should give him plenty of opportunity to rebuild his confidence), we will be looking like a pretty good team. Don't be so cynical. We have the young, talented foundation for a team that can be good for years to come. Just sit back, enjoy watching these kids grow and feel good about the future of Bills football. Before this season began, there were no delusions of granduer(at least not on my part) about this team or a Superbowl this season. We are exactly where a young team finally coming together should be. There are going to be some tough patches when a team this young and inexperienced starts gelling and learning to play together, but they are on the right track. I came into this season expecting to be a borderline(at best) playoff contender, but to improve and be much more competitive and respectable one or two more seasons down the line. We're where we need to be, where we should have expected to be(had the early success against teams who were far worse than expected not given everybody such lofty immediate goals), and where we are - primed for a long period of very good football set to begin in another season or two.

No, it wouldn't be. I'm not into seeing people get hurt. I'm not a Losman fan, and I do think Trent will be the quarterback this team needs, but JP has done nothing but give 100% effort every time he has taken the field and been a good teammate when he has been in a backup role. Had he been intentionally slacking off and underperforming I might feel differently, but he has been exactly what he was when he was drafted, a pretty good backup. I never saw him as a legitimate starter, but the fact that he was drafted as highly as he was(in a bad decision by management) has caused people to think he should have been better than he was capable of being. He didn't underperform his talent level or ability, he simply underperformed the poor ranking the FO gave him.

Why so cynical? Take a look at the rest of our schedule: Week 12 - @Chefs - Just plain suck, d is a joke and offense is no better Week 13 - 40 Whiners - Just plain suck, and traveling from west to east Week 14 - Phish - Anything can happen in division games, and this one is almost home Week 15 - @Jests - Anything can happen in division games and who knows which Favre shows up Week 16 - @Ponies - Horrible defense, the O, especially the running game could put up huge #s Week 17 - Patsies* - Anything can happen in division games, and this one is at home. It's not over yet. Our team stepped up big in a number of ways last night. The o-line looked dominant in run and pass blocking, Beastmode and Head looked awesome, the defense finally looked almost up to expectations, the special teams were awesome until the last field goal, Fewell pulled his head out of his @$$ and called a pretty damn good game and with the exception of the last three plays Turk actually called a pretty dynamic and unpredictable game. If Edwards can shake off the funk he's in(KC and SF should give him plenty of opportunity to rebuild his confidence), we will be looking like a pretty good team. Don't be so cynical. We have the young, talented foundation for a team that can be good for years to come. Just sit back, enjoy watching these kids grow and feel good about the future of Bills football.

I'd say the only team we could possibly afford to lose to would be SF. As far as Tie breakers go, conference record comes before division record. With all but the whiners game being against conference teams, the only one we could really lose and still have a shot is SF.