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Best place to expense a meal is the Wild Ginger. One of the best restaurants that I've been to in awhile. Its great if you have a group of people or if its just a few. I was out there last year and we hit this place up twice. http://www.wildginger.net/ . When we went, it was a time of year (June) when you could get real line-caught salmon from the Copper River and some others that was never frozen. I never really thought that one piece of salmon could be alot better than another, but this was amazing. This is within walking distance from the center of the city and the water. It's a great trip to make. The one regret that I have is that I didn't really have a chance to climb Rainier. It looked awesome, but I was there on business so I didn't have the time.

Qwest Field in Seattle is very loud. Mile High (Invesco now I think) is very loud. The Ralph is right up there for NFL stadiums. Pittsburgh has good fans, but its not that loud unless its a Monday night game. Eagles, Jets, Dolphins, Ravens, are all weak in noise comparison. Everyone says that Arrowhead is the loudest, but I've never been there. I'd believe it with the way that it's shaped. Beaver Stadium is the loudest I've ever been to (including Michigan Stadium & Ohio Stadium). I'd rank the top 5 that I've been to below: 1) Beaver Stadium 2) Michigan Stadium 3) Qwest Field 4) Ohio Stadium 5) The Ralph

Looks good on the Treo 800 for Sprint. Actually, everything fits in the screen perfectly.

http://buffalobills.com/blog/index.jsp?blogger_id=1 Chris Brown reported it, too. Right Knee injury.

I know. Is this some new thing or have I never noticed that before this year? It looks like Mr. Burns meets Indiana Jones.

Baptize him in a tub of Genny Cream Ale.

The problem is that there is absolutly no proof that he can play at the same level that he did before the injury. Why would the Bills take a chance on a $60MM investment, especially when the norm now is to guarantee a ton of money upfront. All he needs to do is show up, play this season, and he'll be the highest paid lineman in the game. I'm so sick of talking about this, but here's a link to the conversation a few topics down: http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?s=&am...t&p=1083461

But my point is that Peters, his agent, and the Bills dont know if he will even make it past training camp. He may be fine to jog, lift weights, etc, but when it comes to digging his feet in and exerting all his force on opposing lineman, there could be severe pain that would hamper his ability to play like he did the past few years.

My argument is that how will they know without him coming in and actually playing in some gametime situations? Its one thing if you can do a bonescan and see how much of the bone has healed, but for groin surgery, the only way to see if that "2 inch mesh screen" will hold up under his 340lb frame is for him is to get out there and push some people around. Imagine the strain on that little 2 inch screen when he's got a lineman coming full speed at him. It took McNab 2 years to really recover from his sports hernia, but he's a QB, so its a totally different situation. They move more and weigh less so it doesn't really apply here other than its the same type of injury. I did some brief research and couldn't find anything, but has there been lineman in recent years that had sports hernia surgery and made a full recovery so fast? The medical technology changes so fast that its tough to say that the same injury even 3 years ago would be the same recovery period as today, but who knows until he gets out there and shows everyone, including himself? The article about the surgery posted above says that in most cases, the patient feels fine walking and doing everyday activities, but the pain comes when there is stress put on the body. What kind of workouts has he been putting himself through in the offseason? Are they comparable to gametime stress?

But what will he gain by holding out then? If they aren't going to pay him regardless, then why even hold out? They won't cut him. They won't negotiate his contract. He can't just sit out for 3 years and then go elsewhere. Whats his plan if its an absolute that they aren't going to give him a new contract? Its just another reason to get into camp, play the year, prove that you're healthy, and become the highest paid LT in football come January.

He had surgery to repair a sports hernia. http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=5823 It says right in the article that it has a high rate of success for recovery, which Bills fans should take comfort in. However, when it comes time to dish out millions of dollars, are you going to go off of other people success rate or would you want to see for yourself what your investment is capable of? Below is an article on how a sports hernia is repaired and the rehab afterwards: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/...70716133056.htm The surgery involves a two-inch incision to remove some of the damaged muscle tissue and instead of a primary repair with stitches, tension-free mesh is used to strengthen and reinforce the area. "We think the mesh provides considerable support to let the area heal," Brunt says. "Because there's no tension on the repair, this helps athletes return to full physical activity faster than surgery with a sutured repair alone." The rehabilitation protocol used in the study was developed by Ray Barile, an athletic trainer for the St. Louis Blues hockey team. The multistep, graduated program is more structured than others used to return athletes to activity after groin surgery. It starts with early walking and movement and gradually moves athletes to resistance and core muscle building before progressing to speed and functional activities. Athletic trainers, physical therapists and athletes appear to have the most success when they are given well-structured guidelines about what can and can't be expected or allowed at each stage after hernia surgery, Brunt says. You can't sit there and reason why the Bills should pay him prior to seeing if he even took the right steps to rehab this. How do we know that he's capable of pushing around 300+ pound lineman anymore? Actually, thats an easy question: line him up against Stroud and the rest of our DLine and let him show you. Then you write a contract for $60MM.

He ended the season on IR and he had offseason surgery. Since then, he hasn't been seen jogging, much less playing football. What more do you want?

Do you know that he is healthy, or are YOU just guessing? We're all guessing at this point because he's missed every offseason workout since having his surgery and ending the season on IR. What the Bills are saying is that they aren't going to guess on his health prior to giving him millions of dollars.

I agree with most of these points, but the injury thing is what sticks out at me. He needs to show up and make sure that its the same top 5 LT that we're talking about. The key difference in extending Schobel and not Peters is that Schobel wasn't coming off of IR and Peters is. The secondary difference is that Schobel was in training camp and Peters isn't. It just doesn't make sense to sign someone to the contract that Peters will eventually get when you aren't sure if he is healthy or not. If he isn't 100% healthy after the surgery, he isn't going to be the same caliber player that everyone is remembering him as.

http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=6297

Don't forget that he ended the season on IR and nobody has seen him since. I think that the injury/offseason surgery, the fact that he has 3 years left, and the fact that he isn't showing up for mandatory camps is enough for the Bills to want to play hardball with him. If it was my money, I'd want to see him perform after that surgery prior to giving him the huge contract that his position historically deserves. He could be a completely different person after the surgery, although it is unlikely. I think the Bills have every right to hedge their risk of losing millions of dollars by telling him that he needs to be at camp prior to negotiations.

Did you notice the link at the bottom of the page? Fascinating stuff!

Exactly. When did the trend start that a few good games are rewarded by a huge contract? Grant was awesome for the 2nd half of the season, but before then.... Play a full season at an all pro level, then go after the huge contract. I realize that the average NFL career is short, but thats even more reason to give average players who last 2-4yrs average NFL salaries. The ones who can find ways to overcome injuries, lack of motivation, age, etc. and still excel at an all pro level are the ones who deserve the big contracts. 1/2 a season (although it was a great 1/2 season) isn't long enough to warrant a big contract yet.

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Thats fair. I just think that people would read what you write a little more in depth if it were 1 post instead of 15 posts spread over 2 topics. Like I said, more than half the time, I probably agree with you and am as frustrated as you are with the Bills and how they handle things. I guess that it's just a difference in how we handle that.

The way I see it, and the way you come off, is that you're just plain miserable. It isn't that I don't agree with you about the points that you're making, it's that you make it 15 times every day. It's an annoyance to everyone. You're the type of person you just want to grab and scream in their face to STFU! Make your point, defend it if you must, but don't monopolize everyones time by making the same old point repeatedly day after day. We get it. You don't like the way the team is performing and you feel that the front office is making poor personnel decisions. No need to shout it from the mountaintop all day, every day.

You sound like a whiney little b*tch who wants to root for the Pats because they're good right now. They've got a great front office. Why not go cheer them on? You know what the positives are? They're from Buffalo, same as everyone on this board. You shouldn't need anything else. I'll be positive and hopeful about them until I'm gone or they're gone. There is a difference in criticizing them when they make bad decisions and just being a negative person about everything. My guess is that you're the type of person who will never be happy, even though you'll respond to this that you are. So keep up the tirade and see how many sympathetic souls you'll find here. I completely understand that you're frustrated with the lack of production that we've seen the past few years, but being a complete d*ck on a message board won't change the situation. It's sort of like a marriage, good times & bad.

So what youre saying is that you enjoy the Bills when they're good. I'm not saying that you shouldn't criticize them, but the blatent negativity is just annoying. Heres a thought, stop posting/watching until they're deemed good by you. Then start again.

No they dont. They reflect someone who wants the most money that he can get, which is what the NFL has turned into. In fact, I'm willing to bet that about 75% of the players in the NFL would do the exact same thing as Peters is doing if they were in his shoes, whether they come out and say it or not. Team loyalty is rare in the NFL anymore, so these games are common now. The game is being dictated by agents, lawyers, and owners (investors for the most part), so why would anyone expect anything different? The players/coaches don't call the shots.

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