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I wish I could agree... But this post could have easily been written in 2007...And here we are again...In fact we seem to be worse off...I have no faith in this bunch until they prove otherwise...But I'll be hoping they catch a clue sometime soon nonetheless...

I think you're misunderstanding what he's saying...And I think his analogy is a bit off... Obviously the battered woman should leave the abusive husband...But none of us are leaving the Bills...If we were leaving, we would have done so a long, long time ago...But I think he was more or less referring to the idiotic defending of Ralph and this Organization as a whole that goes on around here...It's one thing to say "I'm a Fan and I'm going to support this Team no matter how dysfunctional they are." It's quite another to defend the dysfunction and try to make excuses for continuous results that drop far lower than mediocrity...

When I read that I honestly could not believe he said that...Considering for the 1st time in almost forever we have a TE that is not only contributing, but looks to be a keeper...Yes the Kid got hurt, but he plays hard and give 100% effort...And Ralph throws out this blanket statement? If I was Chandler I would be pretty pissed off at that comment... Just go Ralph...Get out...Let Our people go...These recent statements are pretty much the icing on the cake for me...I can just imagine what Season Ticket holders think about the "patience" comment...Oh boy!

The Bills are tied for 1st (with Tennessee) in Sacks allowed...If Fitz is jittery/excited he needs to find a new job...Because most NFL QB's are being pressured FAR more...

There is SO much wrong and unholy about the comparison between Fitz and Jimbo I can't even comment on the specifics... How dare you Sir...How dare you... Seriously though...I would not even go there...Kelly had a superior arm and a MUCH better supporting cast...I'm not sure I can even explain properly why Kelly was clearly a better QB...But he was...And Fitz can't hold Kelly's jock...Even on one of his better days...Now Fitz and Reich? That's a better comparison IMHO...

Look at the success opposing QB's have had against the Bills, even when healthy in the 1st Half of Games...To me at least...This speaks specifically to poor preparation and the inability to Game Plan from week to week...The Bills, even with all the injuries, are not the least talented Team in the NFL...Granted they are far from the most talented...Nonetheless... A Coaches Job is to get the most out of what he's given...That's why, to this point I've got nothing against Gailey...I think overall Gailey has done FAR more with mediocre talent, especially at the QB position...So I give him a pass...But Edwards cant get the job done in preparation...And he's got to go...

I'd take Pierre-Paul, Anthony Davis, Iupati, Brian Bulaga, Maurkice Pouncey, all ahead of Spiller... BUT... I'd take Dez Bryant over all of them...Period...He's a HUGE play-maker...Remember, there was at least a few people who believed Bryant was a Top 5 talent...His Game transferred over from College and then some...He's a stud... Pass on Tebow for now...Maybe if he develops a bit of a Passing Game by this time next year he could enter the discussion...I would still rather have Bryant though...

I'm sure there was one...maybe even two guys on the Texans message board that said the same thing last year...

Agreed...But I'm starting to wonder exactly how far this Team can go building around Fitz...I don't question that they can be a Playoff Team with Fitz at QB if they improve Defensively, stay healthier, and get him WR and more O-Line help...And sure, if everything goes right, he can play lights-out and even win a Playoff Game...But I don't know if he's ever going to be the type of QB that can win 3-4 big Games to get you a SB Championship...And at the end of the day that's the goal (I know...baby steps and all)...I think Fitz is what he is...And it's going to take an exceptional amount of talent around him, and a quite a bit of luck to have a consistent winner while he is the starting QB... In a way, to me at least Fitz is like Flutie...He can take advantage of lesser Defenses and if you're not sound and disciplined he can have a huge day against you...But good Defenses that properly scheme...Defenses understand what he does well, and do whatever they can with discipline to take that away will shut Fitz down almost without exception...He's not bad at all...Just limited...And I would not plan a Franchise around him...For a year or two stop-gap fine...But not long term...Just my opinion...

I just looked this up and to be honest it almost freaked me out...Surely someone has posted this already...But if not... Fitz's numbers through 13 games in 2010 and 2011 are virtually identical 2010 255/441 57.8%, 3000 yds., 6.8 average, 23 TD's, 15 INT's, 81.8 rating 2011 278/449 61.9%, 3013 yds., 6.7 average, 20 TD's, 16 INT's, 81.6 rating Now I know there was a HUGE amount of conversation last summer about whether or not Fitz would continue to grow or regress...And I think the answer is...Neither...He's exactly the same QB as he was in 2010...He neither grew, nor regressed...And I'm guessing this is who he is...

I hear what you're saying...But I'd give up just about anything and the Kitchen sink for Luck...So I would not go as far as to say "under no circumstances."... No way Indy Trades the rights to Draft him...But if they did...

So? What's your point? And for the love of whatever, why is it some posters around here are more concerned about the Fans and what they think, and what they say, than they are about the gd Team?...I'll never figure that one out...ever... If you have an argument to support staying the course why not just give your side instead of worrying about what other Posters or fans think?...Posting about what all the Fans will or will not think or say comes off as fanboi-ish and reeks of over generalization... Just saying...

I asked this in another thread...And it may be a bit of an exaggeration...But when is the last time an opposing QB threw an incompletion vs. this Bills D in the 1st half? It's freaking nuts!

One thing is certain...No matter what he has to say he's gonna give that smug "we know what we're doing" attitude I've grown to despise...I understand 100% now why it took him so long to become an NFL GM...

Agreed... It's terrible...

When is the last time an opposing QB has thrown an incompletion in the 1st Half against The Bills? I know I'm exaggerating...But seriously...It seems like everyone we play starts off 11/12 for two TD's...It's freaking incredible...

If you're OK with Fitz long-term strap in for another few years of not-quite-good-enough...Because that's what we're gonna get...He'll have his good Games...A couple great Games...But it will all even out in the end...They better build a dominate D and running game if they want to win consistently with Fitz...I think it's easier to get a great QB...And I know that's not too easy...Because the Bills are FAR away from being able to do it with Fitz for 16 Games...They're like 3/4 of a Roster away...

Welcome to Buffalo Bills Football...Where Teams need no help in beating The Bills...But they get it nonetheless...

We've "wasted" picks on QB's because we've Drafted like crap...We've also "wasted" Picks on LB's, DT's, SS's...etc...etc...What makes you think we won't waste another Pick somewhere else and STILL need a Franchise QB at this time next year?...Fitz is LIMITED...There are Passes he can't make with consistency, especially down the field...I agree Fitz is not the biggest problem with this Team...But there are, and will be, better QB's in the NFL...Want to get good fast? Get a Franchise QB IF one is available...

This is an EXCELLENT point...

This will be my Team until I die...And I like Dareus...But I swear I HATE this Defense so much...When they take the field I'm already pissed off...You just know what's coming...Heartache...

Exactly... Would The Bills pass on Luck if they had a chance to Draft him? Not in a million years...

I was a pretty big Gabbert guy before the Draft, but I have to say based on what I've seen from him so far I agree with this assessment 100%...On one particular 3rd Down and 10 the other night I noticed the TE hooking up at the 1st Down marker and he was open...He had a Defender trailing by a yard or two, and another was within a few yards...But it was one of those tight throws to keep the chains moving type of plays all NFL QB's have to make in there sleep...Gabbert barely looked anywhere, turned around and dumped it off to the back, who I think lost yardage... That Kid looks LOST...He does not have the fire at all...

I've read more than one Mock that has The Bills taking Floyd in the middle of the 1st Round...Don't know if he'll last till the 2nd...