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1. Special teams were horrible. A penalty on almost every return. Having a FG blocked. I think they got too cute trying new guys.
2. Ellison isn't it. Mitchell isn't all that either.
3. I could cover Josh Reed. He wasn't even looking at the ball and was jumped on his route by a LB. I wonder why Steve Johnson doesn't even get much of a chance with the 1st string Offense.
4. We still can't run the ball very well.
5. Parrish is a novelty 4th WR and returner. Nothing more.
6. Oman lost any slim chance he had of making this team when it was exposed that he can't block.
7. Gotta wonder about any scheme that consistently has our 3rd CB covering the top receiver of the opposition as it seemed like Corner was on Hines Ward all night.
6. Oman stinks. He has absolutely no wiggle, and he doesn't hit the hole with any authority whatsoever. I would keep McIntyre as our third RB until Marshawn is ready to play.
4. Agree on Parrish. He is way too easy to cover and bring down. Steve Johnson needs to be playing with Lee and TO. He is a player. I would also put Justin Jenkins ahead of Roscoe as a receiver.
8. Or a scheme that has a RB block the opponents best pass rusing LB.
9. Wonder why the TE is invisible in the first team offence but a huge part of the 3rd string offense.
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With Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, and Cris Carter all on the ballot this time, Reed will be lucky to make it past the semifinalist round.
Andre Reed BLOWS Tim Brown away my friend. Not even in the same league. On the toughness scale Andre was a 10, and TB a 2.
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From JW's article I think we can all agree that Maybin will not be signed before the Packer's game on Sat. nite. If our DE's such as Ellis and Bryan continue their strong play, than Maybin's position starts to look very tenuous. If he is not in before the Pittsburg game, and talks are still where they are now, we could have a very interesting mess on our hands. I don't see Russ Brandon as a guy who is going to overpay for someone of Maybin's worth. The Bills did not give in to Jason Peters, and they certainly will not give in to Aaron Maybin. We may not be great at picking talent, but our front office does not get pushed around.
I think it is not beyond the realm of possibility that all three holdouts may not sign with the teams they were drafted by. If we have a good team without Maybin, does anyone really care if we ever sign him? What about trading his rights for Andre Smith's rights? That would be quite a scenario. Could it happen?
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If Maybin's agent is waiting for Crabtree to sign. What happens if Crabtree does not sign? Does that mean that Maybin does not sign either? This is pretty absurd that a guy who has had one good year in college is not signed three and a half weeks into training camp.
Do some of you get the feeling that he will never where a Bills uniform? And I am being serious. Maybe the team is pleasantly surprised with Chris Ellis and Copeland Bryan and have basically said this is what we are offering, take it or you can sit the year out? I would really like to hear what Russ Brandon has to say about what the Bills position is. I think as fans we deserve to know where things stand.
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I agree...BUT... It doesn't matter because his name is out there and he WILL BE KNOWN FOR BEING A BALL HAWK. This dude reminds me of Jabari Greer!
I sure hope he is better than that. Jabari was OK, but definitely did not dominate games most of the time.
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Yes, he does show promise.
More than your syntax. Learn to spell ("you" versus "u"). This isn't your cell phone. You can complete words on this forum. It's okay....try it! The shift key is over by the left or right thumb. It makes letters get real big. It works very well when you type the "i" key, particularly when it relates to.....you know.....YOU. As in "I". See how that works? Apostrophes CAN be a problem. "hes" should perhaps have read "he's", but dropping that little dash in there DID indeed tire me out a little bit, so I can understand how you might have worn down by the end of the fourth sentence.
In any case, great post!
You're a douche!!!
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Do you have a clue? Receivers of his height and potential don't come along everyday. You might not see much of him this season, but Owens will be gone after this year and that position will most likely be his. I give a vote myself that it might be the worst post of the year.
And if Owens is our best receiver this year, why for the love of God would we not resign him to a 2 or 3 year contract after the season is over? I would be perfectly fine with him finishing his career right here in Buffalo. And by the way Hardy looked awful last year. He has absolutely no idea of how to play receiver in the pro game. He may become something in the future, but geese you wonder how he could be so raw.
And it does get annoying to read posts from people like yourself who think they know everything about the game of football. Just because another fan wants a guy cut who did absolutely nothing for us, you shouldn't become all high and mighty Mr. Freak. And to say that Hardy will be good enough to take over for Owens next year could be the reach of the century. But only time will tell.
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If the Bills had getting the best team they could for Buffalo fans as a primary concern of their's along with (or anything more than a healthy by-product of) making the maximum amount of bucks for the corporation and satisfying Ralph's rich guy desires then I think they would have:
1. Just as the made an outstanding assessment of Peters's undrafted talents and made the winning bid to get him as a UDFA, just as they again assessed Peters's skills properly when they got him onto the team on the PS but read the market correctly to see they had to sign him to the active roster or risk losing him, again just as they assessed Peters properly given the vocal endorsement of Mouse McNally, they signed him long term at more $ than Peters had ever seen to be their starting RT.
This achievement alone was quite phenomenal and demonstrated hard work and great talent on Peters part to actually go from being a UDFA TE to be a starting RT in the virtual blink of an eye in football time. Great credit goes to JMac for recognizing Peters extraordinary skills and advocating and training this high achieving hard working player into this great achievement.
Where the Bills seemed to go off track and there appears to have been a change in the approach of paying Peters for real world achievement was at the point where he made the jump to starting LT. This happened roughly around the time JMac retired so maybe he was not around to work to keep both Peters and the FO plugged into reality. Who knows for sure, I do not.
However, there seems to be a point where when Peters made the real world achievement of winning the popularity contest voted on by league coaches, his player peers and fans (like any business the customer is always right if you want to be a successful business) the two parties were on different pages. Peters wanted to be paid LT money rather than RT money during the life of a contract that had several years to go.
The Bills on the other hand had Peters under contract and said flat out that they were not going to renegotiate his deal. There is some logic to requiring Peters to prove himself with another year (or two) of very good play before the Bills forked over an extension and raise they were under no contractual obligation to do.
However, there is also the reality that the Bills had to some extent made a player worth judgment (one that has since proved pretty wrong in most outside judgments) to re-sign Kelsay when his contract came up to a huge deal. This pissed off Schoebel to some degree as here was making the Pro Bowl and Kelsay got a chunk (he did not deserve IMHO) to play on the same DL. Schoebel refused to come to voluntary workouts, generally made hissy fit rumbles and the FO caved and extended him when they were under no contractual obligation to do so (ironically his sack total dropped and he got hurt but such is life in the NFL).
Peters also having made the Pro Bowl and playing on the same OL as men like Dockery and even Langston Walker whom timing had given them bigger checks than Peters wanted to get LT money now. The Bills were under no obligation contractually to do so but in the case of timing having delivered an inconsistent with performance contract to Kelsay caved in to Schoebel's discomfort and extended him when they had no contractual obligation to do so.
Its simply a guess on my part, but what seems like would have been consistent and smart management by the FO would have been to extend Peters deal to something like or approximating LT money when he had in fact qualified for the Pro Bowl as an LT.
Would this have been a risk for the Bills? Sure. They might have gotten burned much like they did when they took the same risk with Schobel. However, it seems to me that if they had extended Peters for even the going rate for a top notch LT at the time when he was deemed the AFC LT starter the easily could have had him for $8 million a year (and actually as $6.5 or $7 million would have made Peters turdeating happy as this would have paid him more than Dockery or Walker and been a substantial raise over the around $5 million the starting RT level contract he was playing under.
The Bills took a firm line they were certainly contractually entitled to take (though in terms of reality this was a departure from how they treated Schobel in a similar situation.
Perhaps having caved to Schoebel the Bills decided they would not extend Peters when he was under contract. Yet, Peters had learned the lesson of watching an FO that had caved and bollicksed the Kelsay/Schobel deal. We actually can be thankful that Peters/Parker just made their demand and shut up, because the handwriting was on the wall that the Bills would likely cave once Peters won the popularity contest again and made the Pro Bowl (undeserved IMHO but obviously I am not in charge).
Overall, I think the FO really handled this case brutally bad. Even worse they set the precedent for the next Bill with little leverage to stand up to the FO and as in the Peters case they engineered things so he got a $10 million annual cap hit deal (I am not sure where you got the $11 million figure but back in real life Peter's signed for 10 and it is not hard to see how his deal price kept going up and up as he gained honors from others and also any Bills strategy that may have involved Dockery leaning on Peters did not work.
Maybe you sign Peters for $7 miillion 2 years ago and he comes back and asks for $11 when he makes the Pro Bowl again. Maybe he gets hurt like Schoebel did after we caved in to him. Could be, but life has its risks.
IMHO the Bills were penny wise and pound foolish in the manner they did this negotiation and unfortunately the fans may pay the price. I hope not. I hope the seemingly reluctant Walker makes us fuuggabout Peters and the rookies Wood (I think he will be fine) and LeVitre (I wonder how this will work out this year) prove miraculously good enough to make this work.
I doubt it but we will see.
Your analysis of the Peters situation misses one major premise. Peters was ridiculously overrated in his ability and his desire to be great. He just has a great desire to be overpaid. And he has succeeded in that. He had absolutely no upside from his 2007 season which was very good, but not spectacular. Last year he was mediocre AT BEST. There was no way the Bills were going to pay Jason Peters huge money unless he came to all the offseason camps, busted his butt and played like an All Pro this season. If he had a huge year in 2009, you can be sure they would have extended him bigtime after this season. But I am sure they had a feeling that Peters was not that type of player who burned to be the best. And they made a smart decision to trade him for the best deal possible. I think they handled this perfectly. Do you really think that the Pats or the Steelers would have given Peters a huge extension with three years left on his contract if he had missed all of the 2008 offseason and shown up right before the start of the season? He would never have played another down for a Belichik or Tomlin coached team.
It is soooo easy to get down on the Bills because there record on the field has been miserable this past decade. But Peters is a fat, lazy head case. The Eagles are already finding that out.
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The problem is that you are evaluating depth against other teams dolts. I mean, Lankster made plays and looked good. But, there were about 4 balls thrown almost directly to him. He should have looked good. This Stupar guy is now everyone's god at TE, even though he caught a bunch of 3 yard passes against bad competition. I mean, he looks almost exactly the same as our other non-athletic, stiff TE's outside of Nelson.
I look for things that count. Andy Leveitre (sp?) looks bad. His form and technique is terrible, and he didn't improve it from week one. He also doesn't finish blocks...but that right now is basically because he's way too high and he's getting moved by the DT's he's facing. He's really young, but the reason he's so important to judge critically is because he's supposed to start for us. He's a huge worry.
The starters have played so little that we can't yet make an evaluation. Hopefully, this next game, we'll see if they can do something with all of their weapons in there. I'm not impressed that Stupar can catch 3 yard passes and that Lankster caught balls thrown to him late in the game.
I want to see the line block in the first quarter. I want to see the guys that count put a ball in the endzone. I want to see Freddie Jackson pick up the blitz, so I know he knows what he's doing in the opener. I want to see our first team special teams return units at least get some touches so that they can practice the new rules implemented this year. And if Roscoe takes one to the house during the preseason......good......then teams can continue to schitt their pants preparing for him. I want to see the first team offense GO FOR IT fromt inside the 5 in a meaningless preseason game on 4th down, instead of letting Lindell perform the most automatic kick in pro football. We could have gotten much more out of a redzone offensive play, then we did by letting Lindell kick a fuggin FG.
I just have a whole different mindset than our coaches. And yeah, I coach myself, so I can actually say I do things much different in games that don't count. Work on the schitt we suck at during these games.......and while it's nice what Lankster and Stupar did.....it really isnt' all that impressive. Nice games, but plays that should have been made.
The bar is set so low for the Bills now, it's pathetic. Steve Tasker was about to wet himself last night with the Bills first team unit. And that "impressive" showing netted 3 points.
Wow, did you expect us to be the Steelers from the 1970's out there last nite or what? Whether it is your first team, second team, or scrubbs, don't you want to see winning football? The Bills were the better team last nite against Chicago. Coach Jauron had them ready to play which is a positive. Making plays on the field regardless of who it is, is what is important. It builds confidence within the team, and that is contagious. Tell me you weren't happy to see Copeland Bryan and Chris Ellis make plays. These guys will hopefully continue to improve and get chances to play during the season. We haven't made the playoffs in 10 years, so any solid performance (even in the preseason) especially after the dog effort last week is very encouraging.
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I have not had a problem with Fitzpatrick this summer. I thought the media (and fans) were a bit harsh on the guy. He's definitely a game QB, not a practice QB. WHen he releases the ball, I'm always confident that a Bills player will be on the other end. This is a far cry from the backup QB we had last season (JP). Also, Fitz can hit the guys in stride on short/medium passes which is a gigantic upgrade from last years backup. I'm definitely liking him as the backup. He's got that sense of purpose, football smarts and field vision,
I agree. Fitz looked real good last nite. You can tell that the guy is a football player. He knows where to go with the football. And does not hesitate in his decision making. He looks to be a big upgrade from JP.
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Stop saying "2nd chance" on Mike Vick. Maybe digging a little deeper into this guys past would reveal this is really chance 4 or 5? Pot water bottle, Ron Mexico STD case, dog killing ring leader.....
He's garbage, his press conference didn't leave me feeling this was a reformed or changed man. He's truly sorry for losing his career, his money and family time......dude could care less about killing those helpless dogs.
What the hell are you talking about? He sounded very contrite to me. What is he supposed to do? Sit there and cry. He admits he screwed up, and did wrong. He served his time. Who are you to judge him? If he keeps his nose clean and acts like a good citizen, his personal views are his business and his alone. I am glad you are so self righteous, you freak anti pot smoker, you.
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It's not the agent or Maybin himself. It's the system. If the system allowed any one of us posters to hold out for top dollar from a team or organization that we had no previous affiliation with, you'd be lying and borderline insane if you said you'd sign for lower "just to play". This current system allows for players to hold teams ransom and for agents to take advantage of the said 20 year olds. With a new scaled system, agents will be put in check, players will have no intensive to hold out as rookies, and teams will improve from maximizing the value of their draft pick. However, none of this will happen under the current CBA. The most important aspect of a rookie salary scale is that it increases the value of veterans looking for their 2nd contract. There's a hell of a lot more veterans in the NFLPA than rookies, so they should be able to get this passed next year. Unfortunately, its everything else that will cause the mother of all pro sports lockout/strike.
For us NHL fans, the 2004 lockout is still fresh, however, that's just the tip of the iceberg compared to this next one.
If players and agents can hold teams hostage, than why have 28 out of 32 first round picks already signed with there respective teams? And if and when Maybin and the Bills come to an agreement, why couldn't this have been hammered out 3-4 weeks ago? I firmly believe that the terms agreed to will be a little better than Moreno's, but nothing out of wack with the other draft picks. Maybin's holdout has been a mystery from the start. I don't think the Bills would lowball him. But I don't think the Bills are drowning in their tears that he is not in camp. I think they view him as a project for the future.
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A complete fabrication. Michael Vick will never play here.
And why would Vick not play here? Its not like we have a stud at QB who never gets hurt. The guy makes plays and is exciting. You think Ralph gives a sh-t about dogs? I very much doubt it. He wants to win football games. Is Vick Tom Brady, obviously not? But can the guy makes things happen? He sure can. And for all you posters who are morally appalled by Vick, deal with it. The guy served his time. Let it go. Or just go root for another team.
Vick will be on the Bills by next week. You heard it here first. And I believe I was one of about 3 posters on this board who said TO would be on the Bills as well.
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I have to be honest, this doesn't really surprise me much. Maybin is one of those players that is highly coached behind the scenes. This was pretty obvious in how he handled himself in his first encounters with the press. It came off as mature, but very mechanical. The kid clearly thinks a lot of himself, which is both good and bad. I don't doubt that Maybin will be working hard when he gets to camp, and I bet you anything he has kept himself in tip top shape. But, I also imagine that his agent is well aware Crabtree is going to get signed "over-slot" (if he does in fact sign). And they want to use that as leverage. That being said, I agree that Maybin is going to be a useless addition if he doesn't get to camp. As we saw with our rookies on Sunday night, it is very difficult for rookies to make solid impacts right from the start.
So if Crabtree doesn't sign soon, (and I think there is a distinct possibility that he NEVER signs with the 49ers-I don't think Singletary will put up with this kind of nonsense from a rookie) than is Maybin not going to sign either? The guy is barely a 250 pound DE who played in a crummy league, and was good for one season. It boggles my mind that he is holding out. Pay him a little more than Moreno got and lets move on. If he is waiting on Crabtree to sign, he might not play for us either.
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Does anyone really believe that someone who can run a dog fighting ring actually can change? He is only saying and doing the right things so he can make money. He will not change. Do rapists change? He would still be running the ring if he had not been caught. Yes he deserves another chance at life but don't be surprised when he is caught again. Chances are his brother ran the ring during the last two years.
Don't be stupid. Do you really think that Vick wants to spend more time in prison? You are a MORON!!! The guy served real time in a Federal Prison!!! Do you know what that is like? I don't know first hand, but I sure as hell do NOT want to find out. And as arrogant and stupid as Vick might have been to do what he did, the guy ain't going back to Prison. And I would sign him tomorrow to be our backup.
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Had Aaron Maybin impressed in mini camp, I believe he would already be signed. Truth is he looked terrible
Tom Modrak has a tough decision to make, pay the going price, or let him sit.
That is a very interesting interpretation about why Maybin is not signed. How do you know he looked terrible? And if what you're saying is true. Do we really even want to sign him? My god, I can't imagine giving 20 million guaranteed to a DE who is not even 250 pounds and is only 21 years old. If he is not signed before our second preseason game against Chicago, will he ever wear a Bills uniform? And is it a bad thing if he doesn't? THOUGHTS?
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Maybin needs to sign by next week. Once a player, especially a first round draft pick is not signed when preseason games have started, it will become somewhat of a distraction. But depending on how Chris Ellis plays, the Bills may not be in much of a hurry to sign Maybin. Did Maybin have any better of a college career than Ellis did anyways? I hate small defensive lineman anyways. What team other than the Colts (Robert Mathis) plays D lineman who are Maybin's size anyways?
I think the whole thing is very interesting as to how it may play out. If the team looks strong in the preseason, especially at D line, will the Bills just let Maybin rot? I think the whole Peters holdout mess from last year left a bad taste with management. And because of that, I really do not think they are going to just give in to anyones DEMANDS. (nothing to back that up, but just my personal opinion)
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uh huh.... the parker brothers hate the bills and vice versa. this is going to get nasty, and heres hoping that if maybe does pan out we convince him to at least go to rosenhaus as an agent over these guys. they just love dragging clients on
I agree with you. Parkers represented Jason Peters and we ended up trading him. We were never close to signing him to an extension is the feeling I got. With Maybin who knows. Noone seems to be up in arms that he is not in camp. Are the Parkers trying to hold up the Bills with the Maybin negotiations? And does anyone feel that the Bills are in no hurry to see Maybin in camp? Just a guess so noone needs to freak here, but maybe the Bills are having second thoughts about him, especially with Chris Ellis in the fold. What about if a deal is not looking imminent in the next couple of weeks that we trade the rights to Maybin to a team that has a young veteran at a position that we need such as outside linebacker, tight end, D tackle? Just throwing that out there. Would it shock anyone here if we did that? It would not shock me. I just don't seeing the Bills being flexible with the Parkers, and visa versa. Thoughts on this.
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Jason Peters got injured, just like Marcus Stroud did during his first stretching excercise of training camp this year. Just like our brand new star rookie safety Byrd did, and nobody even knows how he got hurt. Just like Stevie Johnson did in the third practice of training camp.
It is pretty lame and pathetic to get happy about an injury for any player in the NFL. These guys literally risk their lives every time they step on the practice field or game turf.
I'm sure there are some idiot Cowboys fans who would love to see T.O. go down with a quad injury too. Talk about a case of sour grapes on roids. Please grow up and wait until at least the end of the season to see if you can celebrate Peters' sucking for the Eagles fair and square, healthy but not being as good as they thought.
Dude, you are a fool. I hope Peters plays terrible the rest of his career. He had a great opportunity with the Bills, and he Sh-t on us. We gave him the chance of a lifetime, and he decided not to play his hardest for us. He should be ashamed of himself. As an athlete not to give his all on every play. There is NOTHING worse. To root for a guy like him after he shunned us. You call yourself a Bills fan? Peters is a piece of garbage, and I am sooooo glad he is gone. He thought he was the team. He was one piece of the puzzle and nothing more. Good riddance.
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Two plus two equals five unless Peter King says otherwise
Dude, can you change your avatar? The picture of Jauron underneath that ridiculously large hat is just soooo annoying.
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I think 95% of the posts I've read on this message board this summer have been negative and down right depressing. I'm not going to call someone out for their opinion or bash someone for not having a good feeling about the season. I know the last nine years have been rough and of course there is obvious reason to lose heart and to stop believing in our Buffalo Bills. It really has become a sad franchise and we have become a sad bunch of 'yesteryear' fans in the process.
That said, I personally choose not to be pessimistic at this point in time. Now is the time of year when we have a right to be optimistic and make bold predictions and dream about making the playoffs and shocking the world! I know there are a lot of questions surrounding this team right now, namely the young/reshuffled offensive line and the question marks on the defensive line/line backing group. However, I'm going to put on my rose colored glasses, will the question marks to turn into a positive and a strength for the team, and I'm going to scream my head off every Sunday win, lose, or draw until the season is over with. And until the Bills are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, I'm still punching my ticket to the Super Bowl and I hope some of you will join me. This is OUR time and this is OUR year. Dream it, believe it, enjoy it. We ARE going to surprise everyone this year and bounce back with a vengeance. Why not? Each season one or more teams rise out of the ashes and shock the world. We are more than overdue and I say our time is NOW!!
GO BUFFALO!!!! Don't give up though some have given up on you. See you in the playoffs boys!!!!!!!
I love your enthusiasm. I am also pumped for the season. No reason this can not be our year, if TE becomes the QB that we hope he can be, we are RISING. GO BILLS!!!
John in NC
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I guess that makes one of us. I'd rather win a Super Bowl with a team full of thugs than miss the playoffs every year with a team full of choir boys.
I totally agree. I hate losing. I will worry about morality, right and wrong, and good character for myself and my children. When it comes to football, I want guys who are means SOB's and just want to kick ass and stomp on Tom Brady's head.
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Same thing we hear from every NFL team early in camp. We're excited about the season...We're going to be more aggressive on both sides of the ball...We excited about our draft and free agent additions... Hot air. This team is going to be 7-9, 8-8, or at best 9-7 and NO playoffs. If it weren't for our O-line which is a mess, I'd actually may have bought some of the hype. Counting on 2 rookies who haven't even taken a preaseason snap is idiotic. Trading your best lineman in Peters and cut Dockery without knowing what you have, put this team out of the playoffs.
And keeping those two was a good thing? Peters played horrible last year, and wanted nothing to do with the Bills. Dockery was fat, lazy and just a wuss. Anyone we put in there will be better. We didn't win with those guys, and were never going to. Deal with it, get over it, and be happy that training camp has started.
It is just pathetic how much negativity there is on this board towards the team. Shame on you and everyone else. If you don't like the team, than root for someone else. Say something, anything intelligent about the team or football in general. But just stop being so negative. Go root for the Lions for god sakes.
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buddy, i'm the one who wrote the story that "moved." i knew it was coming because i had just filed it to the AP desk before starting this thread.
jw
JW,
I love your articles, always very informative. Listen, what is your feeling on if we will go out and sign a veteran to compete for PT now that Pizza Man is done? (By the way, I don't consider this much of a loss because the guy is not starter material, and I don't think makes over half the rosters in the NFL for that matter. Not overly athletic.)
Next round of cuts
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I would cut Donte Whitner. He makes absolutely no plays. It is mind boggling how we could have taken such a mediocre player with the 8th pick who is also very marginal athletically as well. He plays WAY too far from the line of scrimmage and can not close on the ball quickly. The Steelers last week hit several 15-20 yard passes over the middle because Whitner was not closing fast on the receiver. I don't think he would start on most teams. But looking at our safeties, they really are not very stellar in the least. I hope that Byrd can really step up and play.
I would also cut Schouman and play Stupar and Nelson as our top two TE's. Has anyone else noticed that Schouman and Fine have been consistently injured since entering the league? What is wrong with them? They are always HURT.
We have some top end talent at skill positions, but our second tier guys are pretty marginal when you look across the board. We need so much more production from safety and tight end. Hopefully, Byrd is a much better Whitner.