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watching MNF between Jets and Miami makes it clear we don't belong in this division. And just barely in this league.
not only will we lose all 6 division games again, the remaining ones will be brutal beatings.
we're talking giving up 40 to 60 points. and scoring 0 to 11.
we're talking a 2 & 14 kind of record.
WOW
those teams have REAL COACHES. well prepared teams. call smart plays. have many formations on offense. have offensive lines that establish the run and give time to the QB. play uptempo games. do what they need to do to win. don't play not to lose.
add to that all our injuries.
WOW just WOW.
I am blown AWAY. but not in a good way.
WOW
I agree. I watched the game between 2 of our 3 biggest rivals and thought the same thing. We are not even playing the same sport as these guys. Both teams came up to win, and played their hardest. They were both well prepared, and confident in their gameplans. I don't see any of that from this team. Have we ever set up a moving pocket when Trent has rolled out? Not even close. I am wandering if we even gameplan during the week. I am being serious. How hard is it to practice checkdowns? I really do not think we practice any gameplanning for the opponent. We NEVER change our plays. How much time does a team need to practice a hanoff off tackle? That is the only play we can run. We are not a PROFESSIONAL team at this point.
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watching MNF between Jets and Miami makes it clear we don't belong in this division. And just barely in this league.
not only will we lose all 6 division games again, the remaining ones will be brutal beatings.
we're talking giving up 40 to 60 points. and scoring 0 to 11.
we're talking a 2 & 14 kind of record.
WOW
those teams have REAL COACHES. well prepared teams. call smart plays. have many formations on offense. have offensive lines that establish the run and give time to the QB. play uptempo games. do what they need to do to win. don't play not to lose.
add to that all our injuries.
WOW just WOW.
I am blown AWAY. but not in a good way.
WOW
I agree. I watched the game between 2 of our 3 biggest rivals and thought the same thing. We are not even playing the same sport as these guys. Both teams came up to win, and played their hardest. They were both well prepared, and confident in their gameplans. I don't see any of that from this team. Have we ever set up a moving pocket when Trent has rolled out? Not even close. I am wandering if we even gameplan during the week. I am being serious. How hard is it to practice checkdowns? I really do not think we practice any gameplanning for the opponent. We NEVER change our plays. How much time does a team need to practice a hanoff off tackle? That is the only play we can run. We are not a PROFESSIONAL team at this point.
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Our coaching is very bad, I think we all know that. But as long as Trent is our QB we will not win another game this year. I honestly believe that even with a very below average O line, that with a half decent QB this team would move the football. Watching the game between Jets-Dolphins last nite, both QB's (even though young) played with poise, confidence and most of all, GOT RID OF THE FOOTBALL ON TIME. There was no comparison between Sanchez and Henne, and TE. Trent is this teams biggest problem. A good QB will always give you a chance to win. He is holding back this team tremendously. I don't think he could even be a backup at this point.
Furthermore, I don't think that anyone on this offense likes playing with him. The guy is a jerk. Does anyone ever see him talking to any of his teammates other than Fitzie? He is a pariah. Everyone knows he can't play a lick. But only on the Bills would this guy be playing. He is no better than Alex Smith. I cringe when he comes under center. I have never seen a QB NOT want to throw down the field. That is supposed to be fun-to just let it rip. What is wrong with the guy? Sorry for the rant.
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We had 58:10 to score a "tying" TD and could not do it. Do you honestly think we could have moved down field in under two minutes? At that point, I was grateful for the sorry game to be over -- but the Browns still tried to give it away by kicking the ball out of bounds. Would have been interesting to see if Manning, Brady or about 20 other decent QB's could have gone 30 yds in the 15-20 seconds that was left. I'd bet they could have positioned it for a legitimate field goal attempt.
What is unbelievable and probably forgotten by many at that point (due to how bad the game was) is that we had the ball 1st and 10 on our own 40 with 23 seconds left. And do you all remember where TE threw? 5 yards across the middle to Lee. My goodness, a 30 yarder down the middle, and than spike it and we at least get a long field goal attempt. Or how about a 12-15 yard out pattern. burns 5 seconds at most. Another one of these and you have your field goal attempt.
I believe TE is worse than JP, and I hated JP. At least JP looked like he cared at least some of the time, and he wasn't scared. TE looks scared. I have NO IDEA why he is still allowed to play for us.
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I don't know what's worse: DJ being here still, or the paper-thin roster. Neither helps the other, and both get worse each week.
Maybe they find DJ attractive enough to keep around because he doesn't complain how bad the talent is on this roster. Late round draft picks, UDFA's, street free agents, with a sprinkling of high priced players is what it amount to now.
I don't (edit: think )we know how bad it is. After four off-seasons of rebuilding, they've got a roster that's worse than what was left from TD in 2005.
You were down on the team all offseason, and you were correct. This roster is just pitiful.. And the coaching is just as bad. Bell, Scott and Chambers would not make any other teams roster in the NFL. Simple as that. Fine would not either. Trent Edwards may go the route of JP and not get another chance on an NFL roster as well. On defense, other than Poz, no LB would start for anybody else. And I very much doubt that anyone other than Kawika would be a backup either. It is just unbelievable how bad the talent evaluators have been for us. I watch a lot of pro and college football, and truly believe that I could bring in better talent in Free Agency and thru the draft if I made it my fulltime job.
On another point, why is Nick Harris and Steve Johnson not playing? And why is TE still playing.
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Bull crap. I watched today and he had many chances to throw downfield with time and just didn't do it. He is a coward that has no business being an NFL QB
I totally agree. Trent Edwards is awful. He has no confidence, and does not lead this team. How many touchdown passes has he completed down the middle of the field. Next to none. He needs to sit. He has not earned the right to continue to start. I can not believe that Fitzpatrick would not be an improvement.
We have a bad team. And we are bad at QB, and very bad at several other positions as well. I think most of you would agree that we are awful at OT and LB. And not very good at any position other than RB. Our Special teams have killed us this year, and were the biggest difference in our 3 previous 7-9 seasons, and the disaster that has become 2009. I don't know if this team will win another game under Dick Jauron. He has lost their attention. Lots of good athletes (except at starting QB) but absolutely no leader to give them a winning course of direction.
Don't see too many teams make as many mistakes in an NFL game as we did today. Time to BLOW this UP!!!!
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Beat me up all you want for this next statement but after looking at the schedule again and recapping the play over the last 4 weeks the only possible game we can win is against Cleveland and even that failed us last season. I dont believe there is another game this season we are going to win under Coach Jauron we will end the season 1-15 with the first overall pick. This was not my orginal thought going into the season I had them at a favorable 7-9 with a 5-11 mostlikely.
But witht he talent level at defense and on the OL and what I have said about captain checkdown all along this is the beginning of the end for the season unless DJ is fired before the end of the season which is unlikely because of RW inability to want to pay coaches not to coach.
Flame away all you want but look at it realistically team for team away and at home and you just might come to the same conclusion as I.
Wow 1-15 would be pretty ugly. Even in 2001 when we were one of the two worst teams in the league (Carolina was the other) we won 3 games. But the talent level on defense even without the injuries is mediocre at best. And the O line is bad right now. But the worst part of our team other than the awful coaching is our QB play. If Edwards does not pick up his play, we will not win many. The good news is that if things continue to go this bad all season, Ralph will HAVE to clean house after the season which will be a great thing.
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Here's my take.....
The players play hard until we get behind by 7 or more. Then as with all bad teams with bad QB's, the team has little or no faith that Edwards can bring them back so they go threw the motions.
Quit I think is too strong of a word.
Having little faith that your offense can get the job done is the main source of the problem.
The defense does not trust the offense at this point and can you blame them?
Dude,
I totally agree with your assessment. Early in the game, we had the big punt return. 1st down on Miami 46. Great field position. 3 plays and we gain 5 yards. Fourth down, and we get set to punt. Miami jumps offsides. We have a first down on the Miami 36. Another 3 plays gains ONLY 5 yards. We than miss the long field goal. With that kind of field position and a free first down. The offense has to take advantage of it and score 7. We do nothing. This is just pathetic. Edwards looks like a bad rookie on the field. His demeanor, his actions show no confidence or gameplan in his mind about what he is trying to accomplish. He has no feel whatsoever for the game around him. I believe all his teammates feel that way and have no confidence that he will get it done. When you see that every week from your QB, I believe it is hard to play at 110%.
Looking at the defense. Do we have any DT's that are above average? And we have one LB who should start in the NFL. And he is injured. Ellison and Buggs should not be on NFL rosters period. And why did we not bring in another veteran at safety instead of drafting Byrd. We could have than addressed DT in the second round or OT. Management has left this team unbelievably short at many positions. It is a crime. Especially with how poor our starting QB is.
I believe it will all get blown up after another pitiful performance against Cleveland. Because right now, I am sure they are licking their chops to play us.
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People on this board are so clueless sometimes. There is one rule of economics, finance and business that you guys think that Ralph Wilson, a self-made multi-millionaire, is forgetting. Contractual agreements with Dick Jauron all but make the $9 Million owed in salary completely sunk. Sunk costs are never ever considered in future business decisions, whether it is millions of dollars paid for the coach, or the $200 K sunk into stadium maintenance this past summer.
Saying that "Ralph won't fire Jauron because he doesn't want to eat the $8 million" is so ignorant that it makes my head spin. Even if Wilson is in fact senile to the fact that he forgot this fundamental rule of thumb (which I doubt), he is still surrounded by a handful of financial advisors who are paid a healthy salary to remind him of elementary finance decisions.
I'll agree with some that Jauron might be kept longer than we may like, but I'll put money ($9 million?) down that it's not because he's afraid to eat the sunk cost. The decision to keep him until the seasons end could be for a larger demand-rebound in the off-season if we wait to fire him in the off season, when our record is 0-0, instead of bringing in an unkown after the bye week when we're 2-6.
I agree that Ralph is not going to make his decision on keeping or firing Dick based on the extension given last year. Ralph hates being embarrased. If we lose to Cleveland and play crappy, Dick will be fired. If he can not get the team ready to play an 0-4 team at home when his job is very much in jeopardy, than there is no reason for him to be coaching this team.. I think Ralph will figure that out. I think Dick might actually resign if we get another pitiful performance. And I for one am not convinced in the slightest that we beat the Browns. The psyche of this Bills team is awfully fragile. Guys have not won much here, and don't have a lot of confidence. It will be very interesting to see what they bring to the table on Sunday. A loss and changes HAVE to HAPPEN.
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I think you're looking at it wrong. There is not one factor that is to blame for the Bills failures.
Trent is 100% responsible for his own poor play. You can say that coaching, playcalling, line play, all the other crap factor in, but I think good QB's show their skill regardless of the team/coaches around them. Yes, a QB in the right situation has the most success. My point is that Trent sucks. He is no more than a backup NFL QB.
At the same time, the Bills coaches almost all suck, the front office sucks and Ralph sucks.
The franchise mired in a losing culture that comes down from the top. Trent not to blame for any of that. He is responsible for not being very good (more accurately genetics or god are responsible but thats a whole other conversation).
I guess I just don't like the premise of trying to place blame for the Bills current plight on any one person. There is plenty of blame to go around. But it ultimately all falls on the man who owns the team.
I don't like our playcalling, but the bottom line is that Trent plays scared on every snap. He nevers goes back to pass, steps up in the pocket, and than just lets it rip with any authority. But to allow Scott and Chambers to play O tackle for our team is pathetic. That being said, NFL coaches should always be able to devise a gameplan that is tailored to what we have to work with. And our coaches absolutely can not do this. This is just a continuation of the preseason. Based on the preseason, Trent had no business starting for us. He was horrible in the preseason, and just as bad in the regular season. Our team is a joke from top to bottom, and it just makes you want to cry watching them.
Do any of the players even care? How can you not be pissed losing every single year? I would really like to hear some of the players call others including coaches, management out about how bad this team is. It seems like most of them are just numb. None of them other than TO have ever won anywhere. Since the Bills have been bad this entire decade. Losing just breeds losing until the culture is changed.
We have not made the playoffs since 1999. We have had one 9-7 season during that time. That seems impossible to do. Some teams are good just by accident. The scene at the Ralph next Sunday will be ugly and surreal. It should be very interesting.
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Parrish? WTF does he do but suck.
Jenkins? He does what, cover kicks? Well, our ST have sucked this year so.
That is so true! Our special teams have sucked bigtime. And that used to be our signature as a team going back to Steve Tasker and for the past many years with Bobby April. Now we don't have anything postive going as a team. We have guys playing who are playing like they have no business playing in the NFL. Scott and Chambers played as bad as a pair of tackles can play at any level. Just pathetic. Something is very wrong with the organization when this is the best you can put on the field. And Trent is just bad. He plays very scared. He has no business starting in the NFL. What happened to the guy? Totally different player than 2007 when he was a rookie. Is there any team that plays this weak on a regular basis? 3-11 in the last 14 games. We are as bad as any team in the league. Time for a big big change. DICK MUST GO. Today was an embarrasment to the organization. It can not be forgotten. A regime change is needed IMMEDIATELY. This just SUCKS.
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I think if you are just going by the current season, I would say the Carolina Panthers. They play hard as evidenced by their Monday nite game against Dallas, but they are small on defense, have a very erratic QB, and also have a good running game. You know they are going to come to play almost every week, but their talent level at a lot of positions is just not that strong. Similar to us. We play hard, but are just not stacked with a lot of very good to great players.
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This coaching staff can't develop players healthy or not. What a train wreck this team is. 7-9 looking like a stretch.
Faith, you are so right. We seem to lose guys to the IR in record numbers every year. The Jauron era has been just a joke. Hopefully it ends after this Sunday.
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Leodis is an overated bust. Let him go on Ir. actually let him off the team. His man to man coverage on Wr's is horid.
I agree Jax. Leodis looks totally lost on the field in coverage. He is an excellent athlete but has no clue on how to play DB at this level. The Bills made a terrible pick here because he did not play against top receivers at Troy. Florence is a much better football player.
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That's 8 straight division game losses.
Just sayin....
Dick is FIRED!! Should not even be allowed back on the plane.
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Give the guy this season before we or the Bills decide what he is or will be. He's 25 and in his crucial 3rd year in the NFL. If he stays healthy, wins games and puts up reasonable numbers then he will get a healthy extension (and the Bills have planned for this). If he does two of those three things, he still will probably get an extension. If he does 1 or less, then their may be competition for him next year and less patience toward him. This is his season (not preseason +3 games) to prove it to everyone, let him have that.....
What are you talking about? He is a coward on the football field. Plain and simple. He has no moxie to lead this team anywhere. He played OK in the NE game. But when it was time to step up in the last 51 seconds, he could not get it done. Sure there was some rush, but after hitting TO for 20 yards he froze. On the second play when stepping up in the pocket, he hesitated slightly and got hit. That was pretty much the game. He does not dictate the game from his position. That is called presence. He does not have it. He plays scared. He is no better than JP. For the life of me, after his pathetic performance against the Steelers in the preseason, why was he even allowed to start? He has no body of work that says "I am a starter." On many teams in the NFL, he would NOT have been named the starter by the way he played in the preseason. But not on the Bills. DJ loves him for no apparent reason, because he will not think the game by himself. He just takes orders. God he is WEAK!!!
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Well Ill try to uncomplicate it but its kind of complicated.
Of course other factors could improve the performance of the O, things like better coaching, better effort from TO etc.
But the main reason is this... T Edwards.
More specifically ....
1.He is making his mind up before each play where he's going with the ball.
2.His only deep ball is the fly route which anyone can throw since the read for that is pre-snap.
3.His outlet on all plays is the 2 yard out or "flat" pattern. A pattern that is ripe for a pick 6 sooner or later.
4.As the defense gets closer and tighter he throws shorter and quicker Vs throwing over the top like he should.
5.Every third down goes to Reed. When Reed gets doubled he scrambles or throws the 2 yard out.
6.He hasnt shown the ability or "balls" to look off his first read and look "up" the field for a mid range route.
When you see other QB's pump faking, scrambling and making plays, and 40 year old Brett farve winning in spectacular fashion, how can we say Edwards has what it takes? Really how many mid range throws has this guy ever made? I remember very few and all of them were guys he locked into the whole way, never a second or third option. Where are the 15 yard dig or crossing routes? I never see these or even a skinny post. Even JP threw a nice skinny once a game. It seemed like there was one series in the saints game that they wanted to go to Evans, so it was a 3 yard curl, another 3 yarder and then an incomplete. He just doesnt have what it takes to make something happen if his first read isnt there. He plays QB like a robot IMHO.
Van pelt is a huge improvement but sadly this wont be enough, Edwards just doesnt have it. Great back up though.
Ps TO doesnt help, everytime I see him on a replay he is running 3/4 speed, not looking for the ball, or just plain dropping it. I think he is hurting the team at this point. Throw the ball to Evans for godsake!
Very good analysis. I totally agree with you about Trent. Plays like a robot. Looks constantly tentative and never real comfortable. He is not starter material in the NFL. JP was not starter material, Bledsoe was washed up, and so was Holcomb. And RJ was not even backup material. God, our front office has no clue on what a QB should be able to do.
Also agree about TO. Looks to be going thru the motions. His heart does not look into it. He and the Bills do not seem to be a good fit. Do TE and TO ever talk? Does Trent ever talk with any of his receivers? Very dysfunctional offense. Lose to Miami and the bottom falls out. We get embarrased and Dick is gone, hello April fools. Hello Fitzie.
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sad thing is Edwards said the Saints presented them some things there were not prepared for....uhh, doesn't everyone in our division run the 3-4?
Why does TE always say that he is not prepared? The guy plays QB in the NFL. He is supposed to be a good player to be one of 32 starters at his position. He should be able to adapt to whatever is being thrown at him. His job is to throw the ball DOWN the FIELD to his receivers that are at least partially open. When you guys played sandlot ball as a kid didn't you always throw medium to deep passes? Who the heck wants to dump it off? I know I would always go down the field. He way overthinks everything. He needs to go out on the field and say to himself. I don't care what they are throwing at me, my receivers and I can beat anything. This guy is a robot who has no feel for the position. I can see him getting just creamed by the Fish, and than we will have a guy with not the most talent, but a whole lot more feel for the position playing.
I blame management for taking TE to begin with. What the hell did he ever show to impress us so much to take him? I blame Jauron for keeping him as our starter this year when he has actually regressed. He looks like he doesn't even want to play. Why has there been no competition for the starting QB job? Just pathetic
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No, I agree.
Several things I don't see that bother me from the offensive formations:
1. T.O & Lee should be moved all over the field. In the slot, alternate sides & even starting in the backfield on occasion.
2. You know the Bills will be blitzed to death by every D.C. in the league until Trent shows he can beat it consistently. Why are T.O and Lee not the designated "hot route" more often?
3. Very limited use of motion. Both guys should be used in motion more often. It reveals man coverage easy, screws up defensive assignments and sometimes reveals where the blitz is coming from.
The Bills offense is beyond Pop Warner, popgun or any other freaking pop term out there. It's ultra conservative by design and it's sickening to watch.
For the life of me, why did we go with 2 receivers and 2 tight ends almost the entire game against the Saints? We have an excellent slot man in Josh Reed, and we are not even dressing Steve Johnson. The entire offensive scheme is archaic and useless. Derek Fine never runs a pattern over 5 yards from the line of scrimmage, and Lee Evans is being thrown to at less than 10 yards as well. We should be running 4 receivers at 15- 25 yards down the field with Freddy as a dump off screen guy if nothing is open deep. We need to start stretching the field vertically like just about every other team. With the scheme we are running, we are putting no pressure on the defense, and they can load up to blitz as the Saints did. Rush at least six on every play and use two corners and two safety's to cover Lee and TO. And put anyone on Fine, who will probably drop the ball anyways.
Jauron and his offensive coaches are just not installing a modern gameplan. The fact that we have not had a 300 yard passer in 39 games is absolutely mindboggling. And goes hand in hand with our horrible record against teams with winning records. DJ should be fired on this stat alone. Until we can find a vertical passing game (with a QB and offensive coaches who want one) this team will lose many more than they win. Noone wins consistently with a grind it out game anymore. Sure you need to be able to run some. (Giants in 2007) But you had better be able to throw it down the field. And we can not and do not try to do that. I believe at least Fitzpatrick would attempt to throw down the field. Here's to hoping he is starting much sooner than later.
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The Browns maybe, but they won't beat Miami.
Miami is a good team that has a brutal schedule; they've lost to Atlanta (2-1), Indy (3-0), and San Diego (2-1).
They also match up perfectly to stop Buffalo: they have an excellent run defense (which combats Buffalo's only discernable strength on offense) and can pressure the QB off the edge (where OT is clearly one of the 2 major weaknesses on offense). On top of that, Sporano is a good enough coach to get the ball into the hands of his playmakers often enough to score points, even if Buffalo's defense continues to play well (which I fully expect)...I don't mean to be a defeatist but I honestly don't see a game that Buffalo can play that will beat Miami.
I agree. I don't think we can score a TD against Miami's defense the way we are scared to throw down the field. I went to the Miami-Atlanta game and the fins D was tough accept they had noone to cover Gonzalez. We don't have a guy like Gonzalez, so how do we win any matchups? And our D will probably wilt in the heat, with Bryan Scott missing one of his tackles on a TE late in the game.
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Maybe that stat isn't necessarily telling on a game by game basis, but to not accomplish it once in two and a half seasons is just pathetic. It really is evidence, along with Dickie J's sterling 2-23 record against winning teams, of the futility of this franchise. It's all very depressing.
These two stats tell it all about how bad this team has been and continues to be under Dick Jauron. The look on his face at the end of yesterday's game said it all. He looked like he knew he was about to get canned. We can only hope. Why not fire him today? Does anybody really think we can turn this around with DJ? He has had over three seasons. We played about as bad an offensive game as you can play at home against a mediocre defense. Miami's defense is going to be all over us next week. I could see TE going down very hard. At least than we get Fitzpatrick who could possibly give us a spark.
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3 people removed from the source of the rumor, yet that didn't stop you from posting it. Nice work.
Do you honestly believe that a coach of Gruden's caliber is going to sign on with a team 3 weeks into a season without being able to assemble his own staff or have the off season to plan?
Gruden was raving about the Bills on Monday nite. He is all ego and would love nothing more than to be the savior for this win starved city. He knows how much we love the Bills. This team would change completely if he took over. Wow, I just get excited thinking about it!!
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there was no time yesterday to setup the long plays.
Edwards was getting a 2-one-thousand count and if he didnt get rid of the ball, had guys all over him.
long-ball plays take time to setup.
when you are dropping back going "1-one-thousand, 2-one-thousand, BALL" you cant get the mid to long plays setup. you just cant. its that simple.
Did you watch Payton Manning last nite? He goes back and bang, he releases the ball. Trent holds the ball wayyyy too long, good doctor. To not put a majority of the blame on him for the loss is just wrong. Again, as I have said several times today. He has no feel for the game around him.
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Trent is not getting the job done period, that is the problem. put a better QB in and we are 3-0.
Trent is just awful. The Saints were ripe to be beaten. Our defense completely took away their passing attack. To not get TO at least ONE catch is a crime. As a QB you are not going to have a lot of time every game. Sometimes you have to get out of trouble and make a play. Everytime Trent rolls to his right, he never can get the ball down the field. He looks to the Tight end dump off who is ALWAYS running parallel to the line of scrimmage. The offense should be ashamed. This team will be lucky to get back to seven wins. No improvement from last year on offense. I would start Fitzpatrick next week. He at least has a feel for the position. I don't think Trent has a clue.
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I totally agree. We have the worst LB's and OT's in the league even with Poz playing because the outside guys are so bad, and there is no depth whatsoever. Our receivers are overrated (Steve Johnson has not been given a chance-and Hardy well-he needs a lot of coaching to become a potential NFL player) and our QB's have been as bad as any in the league since 2001.
But we have drafted terribly the entire decade, no question about it. Does any team miss on so many high picks as we do?