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Yeah, let's talk about Cleveland - since it was FIVE seasons ago. Name their starting WRs/RBs from that season. Name the head coaches. Now pretend that a single OLineman is still in the NFL. Guess why? Garcia was a convenient scape goat for idiots who don't know anything about football but he got back to the Pro Bowl and everyone else from that team is pretty much out of professional football. Garcia was a Pro Bowler the season before last and had Tampa Bay (9-3) in the playoffs before Monte Kiffen basically walked away with 4 games left. Garcia has more sack than our entire offense combined.

Leinart?

Golf? What's next, Croquet? Lawn Jarts? Washers? Friggin' golf.

America: Pussifying itself one generation at a time.

Draft is a really good guy. Seriously.

Sanctions generally don't work. They're the "feel good" solution that makes it look like the international community is doing something but in reality the people in charge don't care and only the little guys pay. Saddam built palaces using the Oil for Food" money while people were starving in the streets.

The nice part is it only took 4 years for them to take action.

No.

I already knew that. You blather on about QBs who had something (all of whom ended up being in the top 10% to ever play) but don't know of any NOW. Tell me, soothsayer: Which current first or second year QB is going to end up being a HoFer? Oh, I was so hoping that would be the case - especially since I've not defended either of them. How did Henne last to Pick 57 yet is "making plays all over the field"? Could it be competent coaching and minimizing the chance of blowing the guy's confidence early in his development? Nah, he just has "it" and it took 56 passes for someone to notice.

Way to miss the point, as usual. Right. Just like the Bengals made the right move with Carson Palmer with essentially the same front office. So? So? What point? So you use a bunch of high first rounders as examples of guys who bring more talent to the position than a third rounder? Genius. Neither did Brady, which is why he lasted to round 6. And that isn't the point I'm arguing against at all but your point is so pedestrian that it stands to reason you have a hard time processing what the real point is. We don't have genius coaches. We don't even have competent coaches with a history of offensive success so it stands to reason that a rookie QB is going to have a more difficult time progressing. That minimizes the chance of Edwards ever changing. That doesn't mean he could have developed into a player, it just increases the likelihood that he won't. This really isn't that hard. First well thought out thing you've posted in this thread.

I said he's a good player but he moves around for a reason (substance abuser, etc). Teams don't replace HoFers. Doesn't happen. I'm not excusing the BILLS for the last 11 seasons in any way but what happened during that era has only happened a handful of times in NFL history. You're not going to catch that kind of lightening in a bottle twice. Of course, the likelihood would increase greatly with real football people in place but we all know that's not going to happen.

That team was a mirage. Go back and look at the teams we beat on that streak. Literally the bottom of the NFL barrel.

We have a different definition of good. Richard Seymour is a very good 34 DE. Ellis, to me, is nothing special.

Of course they had to suck to get Ferguson and Mangold the same year and they still punted their coaching staff the following season. They did spend the FA coin on Faneca but the right side of the line is basically cast offs. Going into last season there were more than whispers that Ferguson was turning out to be a bust. I wouldn't say the current 34 DLine is anything special (Jenkins is a good player but has moved around for a reason and the DEs Ellis/Douglas were thought of so highly Mangenius took Gholston who has been converted to OLB). I don't disagree with that at all. This F.O./Staff would have made the '70s Steelers into well, the 2000s BILLS.

The Jets used a high first on a CB and that dude is an MVP candidate. Seriously. Imagine Mangold over McCargo and Oher over Maybin. Langston is still here... Never mind.

You absolutely cannot discount the possibility. Klingler was a first round pick for a reason, dumbass. Just like all the other first round picks, regardless of position. 10% of first round picks turn out to be great. 10% of the great ones turn out to be HoFers. You think your points are cogent based on 1% if the sample, which is patently ridiculous. Elway never played for a bad coaching staff. Neither did Manning. Kelly played for Bullough for less than half a season and had 3 previous seasons of development by a quarterback guru who he credits for making him into a pro QB. Kelly and Manning basically played the most successful parts of their career under the same front office staff. Try and figure out why you've made no point there. Losman and Edwards were all but guaranteed to be bad quarterbacks because they play on bad teams and for bad coaches. These things don't happen in a vacuum, Cletus. Some? How about most? Most first round QBs are total flops. You're annoiting Flacco and Ryan based on a season and a quarter of basically being carried by the teams around them. Sanchez based on even less. Unwilling to concede that first round QBs who turn out good bring something to the NFL? That's some brilliant thinking right there. Absolutely genius. There isn't a real point to concede but I'm not surprised you are having a tough time figuring that out. I'm the "know it all" but you still haven't told me who the next great NFL QB currently playing in college is. Put up or STFU.

More likely had something to do with Ralph...

Got any more things I've never said? Not once have I said Trent Edwards was going to be a HoF QB. I never said David Klingler, Heath Schuler, or any other first round bust wasn't a blown draft choice. I never said Mouse Davis could make Akili Smith a great QB or that Tom Moore could fix Russell. I never said Mark Sanchez looks like a star. It's pretty !@#$ing stupid to say that every first round QB drafted who didn't make it could possibly have "just been a bad QB". Especially considering the points I've already made about successful NFL men and the choices they've made. I don't expect you to get the correlation between the breaths you take in orally. My entire point is that you cannot expect to develop ANY college QB the way the BILLS have with Edwards/Losman. The rest of the point is that smart football people take necessary steps to give their young QBs the best chance to succeed. COACHING AND DEVELOPMENT MATTER. Apparently that's really hard for you to comprehend because somehow you know better than real NFL personnel men who is going to be a productive NFL QB, despite your unwillingness to tell us who the next great one will be. Nut up, Sparky. It's turned into a waste of time because you've been exposed as another regurgitating blowhard who doesn't know football from his own balls. Again.

He's not any different than Kelly was, size-wise.

We can hire Peterson as long as part of his contract is to NEVER speak in front of fans. EVER. [/remembering the desire for him to burst into flame in Canton]