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3 minutes ago, FireChans said:
I find it odd MVS is one of the having fun out there guys. Seems like he has neither the contract or pedigree to dictate such behavior.
2x Super Bowl champ, and made big plays in both of those playoff runs. For someone with the extreme self-confidence needed to make the NFL in the first place, that’s plenty of pedigree.-
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Interesting. Thanks for posting! I was pretty skeptical about this rule change, but now that it's a done deal I'm approaching it with an open mind. I definitely WANT kick returns to be a relevant part of the game, and if this works, I can live with the weirdness around it.
Will be very interesting to see how this plays out. If this ultra-small sample is representative (unlikely), then we may be going back to the stats of my youth, where 20 yards/return was basically the minimum standard of "not-bad". There were KRs who averaged <20 yards/return, but they were all bad kick returners and their teams usually tried to upgrade the spot the next offseason. 20 was like minimum acceptable, and anything 25 or over was nutso.
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1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:
Flat out exciting to hear this. If we're going to see a BETTER Josh Allen this season, well it is hard to understand what that will look like. 80% completion percentage?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm
2020 is still Allen's best statistical season by a good bit. Returning to those numbers would, IMO, count as a "better" Josh Allen.
Year Comp. % TD/INT ratio TD% INT% Yards/Att Adj. Yards/Att 2020 69.2% 3.7 6.5% 1.7% 7.9 8.5 2021 63.3% 2.4 5.6% 2.3% 6.8 6.9 2022 63.3% 2.5 6.2% 2.5% 7.6 7.7 2023 66.5% 1.6 5.0% 3.1% 7.4 7.0 Regardless of where the counting stats wind up, if Allen is getting close to the 2020 numbers above, you're going to see the offense look REAL good.
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16 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said:
“Very impressed,” coach Sean McDermott said of Shavers. “Even if you go back to his rookie season, he's so consistent with his approach. Knows what we're doing offensively, systematically. When you look up consistent in the dictionary, like his face shows up in my mind because he's so consistent, and at a young age.
That's clearly McD responding to a question along the lines of, "What are your thoughts on how Tyrell Shavers is looking in camp?" And it's effusive praise, which is great. And also, McD gives praise to every single player that he's asked a specific question about. I'm very pro-Shavers, but the only "unprompted" praise I've seen from the Bills thus far has been Beane listing Shavers first when talking about the WRs "already in the room". IIRC, that was around draft time, in response to a question about the Bills' needs at WR.
No one is asking about Justin Shorter, because he hasn't looked good in camp. But if beat reporters were asking about Shorter every time McDermott or Brady gives a press conference, you'd still see a bunch of really positive quotes about him, because that's how the Bills coaching staff rolls. (And for the record, I think they have the right approach - give the corrective feedback in person, but the positive feedback is fair game for public consumption.)
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1 hour ago, Roundybout said:
They are really hyping up Shavers
Reporters are hyping him up for sure. I don't think the team is particularly hyping him up at this stage. Brady was asked a question about Shavers and responded with praise. Same as every individual player he's asked about.
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3 minutes ago, Logic said:
Nice!
Personally, the way I'm wired, I'd always rather see a longshot guy with potential and great physical talent like Shavers make the roster over a career JAG like MVS.
Shavers is 6'4", with a lean and tapered frame. Reports are that he's running good routes, catching the ball well, and that he knows all three WR spots AND excels on special teams. McDermott says he's Mr Consistency and Mr Work Ethic.I'd rather take a shot on a guy like that all day -- particularly one that plays special teams, which is a pretty important thing for a WR5 to be able to do -- than keep MVS on the roster solely because of his veteran experience.
By all means, let the best man win. If MVS outplays Shavers, then so be it. But if Shavers is playing better, or even if it's a tie, you go with the youngster.Totally agree with that logic (pardon the pun), but I still don't see why it's one or the other. Who do you see the 6 WRs being if MVS is cut?
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2 hours ago, Logic said:
It sure sounds like Tyrell Shavers may be a surprise roster candidate and MVS may be a surprise cut.
The former has apparently been quite a standout so far in camp (see coach McDermott's comments from today) and the latter has apparently been pretty invisible and slipping down the depth chart.
I don't think ANYONE had "Shavers makes roster over MVS" on the Bingo card, so if it happens, it'd qualify as quite a shock.I can't claim I called Shavers making the roster, but back in April I ID'd him as most likely dark horse candidate of our non-rookie WR room:
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Not sure if I'm off-base here, but why is Shavers vs MVS being talked about as an either/or?
Coleman, Shakir, and Samuel are looking like locks for the top 3, and Mack Hollins is looking like a roster lock and probably active every week he's healthy. That leaves probably 2 roster spots for WRs - there's a very slim chance they keep 7, and I'd be really suprised if they only kept 5. MVS is probably getting one of those spots as a veteran and proven deep-playoff contributor, unless there are 2 guys who impress so much that the Bills have to cut MVS.
Maybe Shavers is one of the two, but if so, who's the other one?
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8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Who?
Steve Young, obviously
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First two posts nailed it for me: Barry Sanders and Marshall Faulk - in that order.
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On 6/25/2024 at 2:41 PM, DCofNC said:
You got a Time Machine? I’ll go back to 2018 and take you up on that.
The OP said “in his prime”, not “his best year as a Bill”, so I disagree on the semantics. The fact this team has had 3 HOF WRs and a couple others that had the talent to get there but turd burglars throwing them the ball is amazing when you think about it. Is pretty amazing.This team has had, T.O., Reed, Lofton, Boldin, ampules, Stevie, Lee Evans, Diggs, etc it’s pretty wild.
You do you, but that interpretation trivializes the question for me. TO is arguably a top 5-10 WR of all time. Him in his SF prime is a no-brainer.-
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On 6/22/2024 at 5:39 PM, BADOLBILZ said:
We should.
In general, public jersey exchanges are lame and self-aggrandizing.
"Here's some free sh!t the team gave me to wear now give me your free sh!t. We know each other!"
Just take a selfie and keep your free laundry.
The Kiko one was a REAL human interest story.
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23 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
As we await camp to open, where is everyone at right now in terms of your biggest question lingering mark or concern?
For me its CB depth. While I am very excited to see how Elam fairs once the pads go to see if he can push Benford to start, the reality is we don't have much of anything behind the trio of Rasul, Benford, and Elam with Elam still being an unproven commodity still. In a loaded AFC Conference full of fire power, it feels like we are dangerously thin at CB, especially since we still don't know what to expect from Elam at as either a starter or backup.
Great thread! Honest question: how good do you think other teams’ #4 outside CB is? I can’t name a single one (except ours), so I have no idea myself. My feeling is that Jamarcus Ingram is probably on par or better than others around the league. That’s not to say I’d be happy with him starting a playoff game, but I doubt there’s a #4 outside corner in the league that could make their fans happy starting a playoff game. Full disclosure: I’m still a full-on Elam believer and think that most of his problems last year were from trying to play through injury. I’d be totally fine with a healthy Elam starting a playoff game.
For me, I’ll say the O-line. More of a ? than a concern at this point. Plan A is to have a guy play C for the first time in a long time, and promote last year’s jumbo TE to a starter. It might work fine, but it also has 2 potential points of failure. I’m curious what Plans B and C would look like. Also curious how committed they are to Plan A. Sometimes it’s on the level of, “This is what we’re doing unless we simply can’t,” but sometimes it’s more like, “This is where we’re starting but it’s an open competition.” If the latter, I could see Alec Anderson getting the C job if either Edwards or McGovern struggle in the new role.
Side note: Who else remembers the drought year where we signed a guy to play either C or LT, then moved him to the other position? White guy, pretty nondescript name I think. I don’t think he was particularly good at either position.
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1. IMO “in his prime” can only mean “his prime as a Bill”. The TO we watched was good, but not at HOF level. To a lesser extent, same thing applies to Lofton.
2. I actually think Stevie would be a bad fit for Josh. He and Fitz worked great because it was a timing based offense and Fitz was throwing to a spot. Stevie would put on whatever moves he needed, but ultimately get to that spot at the right time. But Josh prefers to hold on to the ball and try to look for a big play. I’m just not seeing it.
3. Lofton is very intriguing. Best deep out route runner in the NFL when he was with us. Allen’s arm strength makes him one of the best deep out throwers in the league.
4. Andre Reed is at his best in the slot, which isn’t where we need help the most right now. But he was absolutely incredible, and he’d IMO be quite a bit more destructive now with the increased focus on player safety. In his day, slot receiver was a much more high-risk job than it is today.
5. Moulds was the first guy who popped in my head. Big, physical, POWERFUL, and fast enough. Flutie made a living off of hucking it up to Moulds almost every time Moulds was single covered. And it usually worked out. I think Keon Coleman’s best highlight reel reps remind me of Moulds somewhat.
6. Lee Evans is the other guy in my fan lifetime who needs mentioning. I think he would thrive with Allen, but at the end of the day I think I’d prefer the contested catch guy who’s fast enough (Moulds) over the true burner in Evans.
Final thought: we’ve talked about playoff performance mattering, and many have pointed out Diggs’ tepid playoff numbers. Look up Moulds’ performance in the Dolphins playoff game in the 1998 season. From memory, I think it was about 240 yards and a couple TDs, and nearly a game-winning catch. (IIRC he was stopped on about the 5, leading to another brutal playoff loss.)
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On 6/4/2024 at 2:13 PM, Jauronimo said:
Reminiscent of the epic Maybin v Wang camp battle of yesteryear. Iron sharpens iron.
Not quite the same, but I'm also reminded of some clip from Sammy Watkins' first training camp that a bunch of posters were creaming their jeans over. In the clip, Watkins put on a sick move to be sure, but it was against some UDFA CB who was like 14th on the depth chart. I.e., not an NFL player.
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20 hours ago, Beck Water said:
Trevor Lawrence does kind of look like Mark Arm, doesn't he?
But I think he looks more like a horse.
I don’t know why James Cameron spends all that money on CGI for the Avatar movies when he could just paint Trevor Lawrence blue.-
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8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
But I'm not sure McDermott being in a make-or-break season is a reality. Nothing that the Bills have done or said this off-season leads me to believe that is the case. I still think they'd have to miss the playoffs for there to be a change.
Yeah, especially given the soft rebuild/cap reset this year. From a managerial perspective, you don’t give a guy less resources (cap space) and then declare it a make or break year.-
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Player: Rob Johnson. Eternally wincing in pain. Just a bummer to watch, and very frustrating, too.
Coach: I’ll go with OL coach Carl Mauck. Was straight out of central casting for “old school fat OL coach who yells a lot”, so many fans and broadcasters highlighted him for a while. But those Olines sucked, and his only response was to scowl and scream at them. I was over it after a few games.
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Thanks for posting this! I’d probably add Ray Davis to the mix as well - it’s pretty fair to expect a 4th round RB to be a plus player as a rookie.
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12 hours ago, Beck Water said:
He developed enough ability to run routes while with the Bills to not be an automatic "tell" for "here comes that jet sweep" and to fill in pretty well as a backup slot receiver, but it was one of the roster judgement errors of 2022 to believe that McKenzie could become a full time slot (and that Davis could take over as a full time "X" from Brown/Sanders). Although, to do Beane justice, they started the season with Crowder and platooned him at slot with McKenzie until Crowder broke his leg. So it was likely not their intent to count in McKenzie as the full time slot.
Right. I’m not sure why everyone forgets that. I guess because Crowder got hurt so early? Poor planning on Beane’s part not to know about the broken leg in advance.
I’m pretty sure the plan for the slot that year was a platoon of McCrowder. McKenzie still doing the gadget stuff that he’d been so effective at in the past, plus playing more traditional slot snaps. Crowder would’ve been in on most 3rd downs, and would’ve played a role much more akin to the Dr. Cole Beasley role. McKenzie was never going to be that elite zone beater who can consistently move the chains, and I don’t think the Bills were planning on that.
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17 hours ago, Einstein said:
Thats just a terrible reason to take a timeout.The challenge is a timeout if you lose. Just challenge it.
The only risk is running out of challenges - but go ahead and take a guess at how many times McDermott has had 2 challenges in one game in his entire 7 year Bills career.
I'll guess: 1 time. What's the answer?
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On 5/8/2024 at 10:14 AM, Back2Buff said:
Exactly, it was even on the trade value chart, which means the Bills shouldn't have done it. It should have taken a massive overpay to make the trade.
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analytics guyidiot after the trade that said the net points the Bills got in this trade, was the 4th worst ever. These draft trades very rarely end up equal.FTFY - see below
On 5/8/2024 at 10:47 AM, HappyDays said:I don't think Coleman was "our guy" but he was definitely one of a cluster of guys that we had graded as high 2nd rounders. For all the talk of the WR class there were only four that were seen as consensus 1st rounders. I always thought trading back into the 2nd and recouping a 3rd in the process, then taking the best WR available, was the best possible outcome.
If there's anything to take away from this Embedded video it's that GMs including Beane don't have a strict vertical board they're following where they're just ticking off names one after the other and taking the absolute BPA when it's their turn. They are grouping guys into tiers and taking someone from their Best Available Tier (BAT?) who also fills a need.
I've always thought the mainstream idea of "BPA" was ridiculous. The idea appears to be that 1.) all players are ranked in a straight line by draft grade, 2.) all players have different draft grades, and 3.) teams either do or ought to draft the top guy on the list no matter what. Feeding into that, I've seen scouting sites that try to give guys numerical grades with 2 decimals, like a 6.43 vs a 6.42. I'm sorry, but just because you went to the hundreths place doesn't mean you have any idea which of those guys is the better prospect.
It makes a lot more sense to me to group players by tier, with more macro grading. The Bills definitely have a "first round grade", and I'm sure they have an internal definition of what that means. (Maybe different definitions by position?) So guys who are in the same vicinity of talent get grouped together. Within that tier you might have some level of ranking - maybe one of the guys looks like a tremendous culture fit, so you'd rather have him, that sort of thing. But to think that the board is a straight ranking from #1 to #255, AND that there's an appreciable difference between #55 and #56? Nutso IMO.
On 5/8/2024 at 12:39 PM, Back2Buff said:Yeah, this guy Seth Walder is dumb. He's a stupid man! Here's an analogy of what happened: Let's say the Bills were holding a James Cook rookie card that's worth $10. The Chiefs call up and offer $10.50 for the card, and the Bills accept. Seth then jumps in and decries, "THE BILLS ONLY GOT AN EXTRA FIFTY CENTS!!! GREAT BARGAIN FOR THE CHIEFS!" Basically he's saying the Chiefs overpayed by an extra 6th round pick over what a fair price would've been, and that's somehow very cheap. Whereas most normal human beings would think paying LESS than a fair price would be cheap.
The only way that what Seth Walder is saying would make sense is if 99% of trade-ups were significant overpays on the trade chart. But modern charts like the Rich Hill chart use actual (recent) trades to calibrate pick values, so it would only work on the old Jimmy Johnson chart or something like that. And teams haven't used that chart for years, so it's irrelevant.
In truth, I think Walder is stupid enough to somehow equate the price over asking (an extra 6th-round pick equivalent) with the total price. It's also possible that he's a disingenous weasel who knows how misleading the above tweets are, but tweeted them anyway. But I find it's good to take people at face value until they prove otherwise, and I also tend to stick by Hanlon's Razor - "never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity".
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5 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:
At one time that was sometimes your only option and if you ever had to do it, the person calling it is super critical to paint the picture.....it can be enjoyable on some level. But given the choice, everyone picks TV for obvious reasons and today you can always have that choice.
Yeah, obviously TV is better than radio for experiencing a football game, but football (and baseball) has enough down time that a good announcer can paint a picture for you. When I was a kid, my family's friend group would rotate who hosted for the Bills game every week, and we usually ran late. I listened to Van Miller calling a lot of first quarters, and it was great!
Murphy (understandably) never got to Van Miller's level, but he did a real solid job. Very good radio voice and cadence, which is probably the #1 thing. Best wishes to Murphy and his family.
I've yet to hear any of Chris Brown's play-by-play, but I can't imagine it's any good. As others have pointed out on this thread, he doesn't have the voice for it. My vote goes to an outside hire for this one.
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Agree with that, and would add two complaints of mine:
1. In 2023, way too many receivers were bunched up at the end of their routes - more so than I’ve ever noticed before. Maybe that’s down to execution, but it is in the coach’s job description to get the players to execute. What he was telling them wasn’t working. How many picks did Allen throw on that out/flat route combo with Gabe and an underneath option? I think about 3 or 4, and the culprit was that the routes were too close together and the short defender had time to peel off and get between Gabe and the ball. And yet, we kept calling that route combo, and kept running it to the same depths.
2. Adaptability seemed to be lacking. We had a bunch of great offensive games under Dorsey, so he obviously was doing some things right, gameplan-wise. But it seemed like if Plan A didn’t work, or the opponent adjusted to handle Plan A, there was no Plan B. And that applied at a bigger scale as well: It really felt like opposing teams started figuring out our offense last year, and Dorsey had very few answers to the problems that presented.