Niagara Bill

Noted...no agreement, no disagreement, ask questions, ask reasoning, ...part of discussions but like all negotiations at some point you come to the wall on both sides. Finding what the wall is made of is the art of the possible. But too soon to not listen. To soon for quid pro quo

You assume BLM speaks for the black community. They are loud, so we're the Black Panthers, so is Al Quada but they do not speak for all Muslims. The journey if you really want to .I've with each other will seek out those who can speak. Trump..never, Pelosi never, Sharpton, never, Maybe Oprah, Tyler Perry etc. Maybe Joe Scarbough, maybe,Bill Gates

If your belief is #3 on your list then you do not want to move to a new level of trust and relationships. If you believe because all blacks believe in attonement and penalty then you are not understanding. Stop the Yah Buts. I would not generally accept that Christopher Columbus had to be stricken from the history books as some white and black suggest. The Pyramids were built by slaves...that is history. If something they do then that is debated able. But one does not have to undue the past to fix the future. I would not suggest that Al Sharpton had to be demonized, even though he maybe should be. Some people cannot be satisfied, you just have to get the majority moving in the same direction, details will be dealt with as your journey goes. Buying your second home starts with the agreement to move from the first. You do not need to burn it down. You are right, but both sides have people that take extreme positions. Getting past that takes time to sort through.

I definitely do not think screaming racist is acceptable or right or even reasoned. It maybe just anger, discussed, frustration, like some who use the "n" word. It is meant to hurt..to inflict pain. Some know that many of us hate being called a racists, it does not define us, it is hurtful and we fight it and fight back. So the battle rages...none of us win...only those who want us divided. .

It does not mean acceptance, it means I want to hear what you have to say. That does not mean everything they have to say they believe. Their are blacks protecting cops, their are black business owners who are trying to stop violence, there are people protesting peacefully. Until you stop defending yourself (not talking physically), they believe you are not listening. " Yah buts " stop conversation and growth.

Yes in the world today listening is important. To help resolving you must learn the real problem...it may not be violence, or only violence... anti poverty, education, etc maybe solutions but not the real problem. I do not understand enough personally. If we did understand why for all these years have we not been able to unite our family. Maybe we do not want to? That is another line of discussion. Like I said, first decision, do you want the relationship. It took Goodell a long thoughtful time to open his mind. He saw problem, control, solution. Now he sees he may not have control, so he has learned. Thank goodness. Before anyone says anything I support the respectful for flags and anthems as well, BUT, we are approaching a key time in our lives, let us take the opportunity to really make a difference.

Of course not. Listening is not silence. Ignoring is silence. At this point your opinion on the meatloaf is not important. The US and Canada have a social family problem. Listening will help you learn. Silence through ignoring gets you same old.

So some want to say things on their minds in a different format and strength. Maybe Greg is an Agent like Rhino, maybe he is SDS, or Yolo in disguise. Strangely he has increased the quality of discussion to relevant issues as opposed to the underground politics, illuminati, communists, ccp, socialism, religious babble nonsense that enters each thread for those who want a a Trump reelection or Dem success at any cost.

You move way to fast. No one even suggested psychological pain. The world has not even listen enough to determine that. Healing must start by the validation of those that are in pain first. I never suggested ignoring the pain of the rest of the family, but dealing with that initially leads to breakdown of the process and back to the same old and tired debate. You sometimes have to tell your wife you love her and understand and then listen with love and real attention for days before you discuss the bad meatloaf. That is if you really want the relationship to survive. A question at this point is more important that a position. Unless you are black in America today, your thoughts on solutions are useless until you first listen. You have 2 ears and one mouth...use them in that proportion. You will hear some shi?, but sorting through to clarity takes time. Start today. It has been too long.

They are still relevant, who do you think pays some of the posters on this page

From a socialism standpoint a fee would be inequitable. Only the rich could join. From a communist agitator standpoint people like Agent Rhino would have their handler/ pay for it From capitalist standpoint Reality could have advertising on his byline or the Trump banner could be on the heading. So confusing. ACTUALLY When reading some of the position on this site we all pay the price. PS when SDS started some folks did chip in as friends...seems like a nice approach that has been lost...

I find these threads incredible. Everyone fighting over 1921, Civil War, WHarding, etc. Just a thought for clarity. If a family has members who are expressing pain, do you tell them they have no pain or the reason for the pain is invalid. Seems to me the only decision is do you want to stop the pain and if you do, then discuss that. The cops in Atlanta the other day must have an IQ of 13 if they could not understand that sleeping in a car, drunk or not is hardly worth death of him or themselves. I use to tell my employees who had alcohol issues, the reason why you drink too much is not important until later. Just stop drinking, concentrate on changing from this point on. Once you have a state of mind you can think rationally, then revisit the past when there is perspective. The black community needs to be understood by the family. The cops which represent the rest of the family have lost perspective. It is a complicated relationship but stopping the pain is step one.

Ok, so Greg is actually Clarabell the Clown. He needed a new gig. How does that explain allowing Agent Rhino to spew his drivel.

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I never suggested Clinton created Fred and Fanny, but he did recreate their targets. Medicare is socialistic if you believe your citizens are not equal in their need for medical assistance, regardless of income. Fred and Fanny makes the US government the largest land holder or guarantor of land in the country, perhaps the world. US mortgage documents make the holder of the mortgage the land holder until it is paid. In most countries the mortgage holder does not control the property unless default then they must apply to gain control. Thus in the U S people can walk away from the property, in most countries if you walk away you still owe the loan repayment. Social security is less socialist since people actually contribute through a tax.

Fair, you likely know more than I do...use to stay in hotel across from Lehman in NYC Times Square

Do not forget the role Bill Clinton's administration played and Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac. The US us the single biggest socialist programs in the world with those two government organizations.

So in an effort to help me ( and maybe others), understand the criteria and sensitivity, what is the difference between the movement to ban Gone with the Wind, and period movie, in which the actress playing the maid won the Oscar (first for an African American woman) and the exaltation of Roots? I know Roots showed the struggle from a different perspective, but both showed slavery, and in the case of Roots showed black vs black fighting over the issue. We watch the Ten Commandments and the Egyptians depicts slaves building pyramids. This is a genuine question. Just trying to gain knowledge.

There are advantages to athletes speaking out. 1. You at least know that what they are saying (in general) could potentially ruin their celebrity cache so they must feel strongly about their convictions. 2. You generally have known of them for a lengthy period of time so you do know they are not a paid agent of Putin and this is not fake news....I hope. 3. If they signed with the Dolphins as a free agent you know the athlete is nuts and just discount everything they say ?

So if Gone with the Wind is racist, is Roots?

You are not a lion, you are a controlled Rhino with a long nose from lieing so much. Your little play buddies come to defend little Rhino. You may have them duped, but not me. You are so stupid you cannot even have an open debate. All you do is quote your handlers talking points. If you think the volume of cr8p you spew will over come reality again, it will not. You should leave the basement and come to the light of day and see what the world is about.

I said his handlers would deal with him. It is obvious Agent Rhino is a protected species. When he is attacked he needs to be defended.

You my friend have been duped by Agent Rhino.

You have never had a civil debate with anyone. Hope you are saving your money because by Nov you will be unemployed, You my little basement dweller are as simple minded as I have seen. You are single minded, unable or unwilling or dedicated to your trade to even consider options. You defend the indefensible and one day you will die doing it. It may not be raining but... Soon [yeah, let's not do threats or things that appear to be threats - mod]

1959 is not so bad, be just gets pissed sometimes, but you are right on Rhino, he is a paid Agent and his answer to any open discussion is you a so stoopid, or intently stoopid because all he can do is quote the notes he is paid to use, he can not have a civil debate.