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Overdorf has had more power than you may think. I refer you back as far as Jauron era when the week before the season kickoff it was Overdorf who released Langston Walker (our starting tackle) because of money issues ( Walker was a freeagent signing...not worth the dollars perhaps) and Jauron was shocked and was not told. At that time it was reported Overdorf controlled all contracts and made decisions above the head coach and maybe the GM. This type of behind the scene power broker must go.

Great thread.....debating on how to debate the debaters vs the non debaters the info seekers vs the info commenters SDS and the mods should stay up 24-7 to insure it meets all the standards for billsgrp88 who is not a participator just a lurker. This is not a news site, it is a sharing and commentary site we all know you can get the best info from Jerry Sullivan column and ESPN

ok, after 86 pages of facts about how and why here is the real truth. The Bills know that Peterman is the second coming of QBs. And how do we know this fact...that so many fans believe he will be a starter in Sept. That being fact, Whaley and his band of brothers are so intent on creating pop culture in their wheeling a dealing begin the draft with a diversionary tactic by trading down believing Peterman will be there at 27. Then they decided to roll the dice again...and again and again. (you get the point) Finally round 5...Peterman is a Bill. during this whole time TPegula and l'il Kim are watching from afar. They have been told by all that Peterman is the savior. for months everyone in the Bills staff have been told never to mention this name. A planned diversion by Whaley. Whaley made sure that Verizion service for TP phone was out. For 2 days Pegula could not reach him. Whaley was high on the diversion. Like a gambler not being able to walk away. Round after round the high feeling got stronger. The whole scouting staff got into it. It was one huge group high. Finally, realizing they could not get him as an UDFA they make the call. The next morning events unfold at OneBillsDrive as Pegula. finally realizes what happened. Whaley is last seen being escorted off the property has he is screaming " I could have made Peterman the next Brady" ..... that is how I see the it. fact.

The biggest issue here is the effect it has on the ability to attract new people. Money and term of contract becomes more important and loyalty is reduced. Common result in business in these circumstances. Of course the incestuous relationships at One Bills Drive have lead to this. The biggest power broker of the lot IMHO is Overdorf who has gradually taken more and more decision power. It is still sad that many long term people and their families pay the price for bad leadership.

Bills have highest rated draft "A" and the next day fire entire scouting staff. Incredible and ironic. Just remember trading away the ship for a wide receiver ( they now won't pick up option on) and drafting a QB from Florida who never learned to think in four years.

Amen. and all we did was replace 2 guys on the team ( Gilmore and Woods) with 2 guys with possibilities and a 3rd guy who has not even got a lot of college experience at the position we want him for. As a Bills fan I so want this to be successful, but as a Bills fan I know it will not.

So we targeted Dawkins...must have if we used 2 5th rounders to move up to get a guy who admittedly needs coaching to even make the team. He has little O line experience. He is not a Miller. Whaley should be fired for this.

amen and now we have to pray that White can be ready for opening day and can be good enough...and we still have Dareus potentially, until he has to pee in a cup.

but why walk from Gilmore when you have a great pair of corners, and then waste a 1st rounder to fill the position. White may be great, BUT we need multiple other positions and now we have to HOPE White is capable. an over all 3rd pick who is a druggie that does not respect the team and is not available for a huge part of the season. If history teaches us anything he may do it again.

got it that you are not a fan of Gilmore., but Belicheat is and he has a marginally better judgement than most. The fact he does not want to be in Buffalo is exactly the point of bad management , constantly spinning wheels to replace good players not allowing us to get to filling other holes and thus the events since 1999. You have to have a management that creates scenario where good players want to stay and bad types like Dareus are rejected.

Except the Patriots who thought Gilmore was worth the investment and we think Dareus (who the Pats would have thrown out long ago) was more value. Oh yeh, we missed the playoffs again (and again) and we all know what they have done. And don't say Tom Brady....we cannot find a Tom Brady because we keep spinning wheels replacing quality first round picks. It is one thing to blow the pick, it is bad management to hit a good one and then not be able to sustain it. Shame on the Bills Consider who signed this bad corner who cannot tackle....

we didn't just get a few freeagents we actually used a 1 st round pick to replace another first round pick. That is spinning your wheels this is the only logical way to consider the wheel spinning,

If we did not make the Dareus mistake, Gilmore may still be here (maybe for the same Dareus money) and we could be addressing other needs rather than re- addressing the same need,. Dareus is a hole that had to be filled as he is not trustworthy even to be available.

Seriously, suspensions have nothing to do with coaching unless you think Rex sold him the drugs. This is the same guy who told everyone he was going to rehab and then didn't go. weed or not the Bills pay him millions not to smoke weed.

We gave a fortune to a waste of a person in Dareus, so we have no cap space to find a way to keep another first round choice in Gilmore, That brings us to spend this yrs first on a CB rather than building up other weak positions. We will need a stud DT as Kyle is getting older and Dareus cannot be trusted to be available. We are still the hamster on the wheel.

OK, so Gillislee is gone....another hole to be filled in the draft, along with CB, safety, LB, O line and wide receiver...4 of the areas created by our own action of lack of action. RB, could have been set, CB, could have been set, WR, could have been set LB, could have been set. Not to mention QB which many seem to consider a must. now we have more areas to fill, however here is the question. more than 50% of the people on this web site believe Whaley should not be the GM. (just observation). He has created these many needs. Why do you follow the draft. Those who do not believe in Whaley must already know the draft is a bust. (See Watkins and the trade up) Nothing good can possibly come from the weekend . But wait maybe Whaley can get us out of he!! with a trade of Dareus for a 5th rounder. The ideal situation of better by subtraction. That makes it worth following the draft.

Exactly . this is what happens to a team for 17 years that has such terrible decisions on the cap by Overdorf and the rest of the idiots who decide that poor risks like Dareus should be signed to screw up our cap room. The Pats let these type walk and keep the Gillislee types who play the game properly. The Pats tell B Spikes to take a hike and we sign him, over pay for a one dimensional player, a troubled player and then allow him to infiltrate our dressing room and not even play him. Only the Bills would sign Spikes and Percy Harvin in the same year.

exactly my point. To create cap space get rid (if possible) guys like Dareus who kill the cap space and don't play so you can keep decent players and keep a unit in place. This is always the same management issue, fall in love with a Dareus type ( high risk from the day they drafted him, like using his mommy as an excuse) rather than build units with character and keep them together. You cannot draft to improve your team when you draft each year to replace what you lose by your own stupidity in both Dareus types and bad cap management. Management in the past did know how. I recall when Jim K and Bruce and Thurman convinced future hall of famer Andre Reed to take an offer far less than he wanted and come to camp. That was team leadership and facing reality. This would be a better team without Dareus and with Gillislee. Now we have to draft a RB and a D lineman (you cannot count on Dareus and Kyle is getting up there)

As many bangers appear to believe, NOT AFRAID TO DIE, JUST AFRAID TO LIVE. ​The next thing you will hear is someone quoted saying he was such a good boy I do not wish ill on anyone, including AH but I have no idea where this type of illogical action comes from. Too easy to say mental health. We know that since he killed someone in cold blood. It is more than mental health. amen.

If we allow the Pats to walk with our running back we continue the pattern of reducing strong points of our team which stops us from working on weaknesses successfully building a team. Consider 2 years ago when people on this web site would have considered our Receivers situation to be good and getting better with experience. We have destroyed that with coaching change of philosophy ( see Chris Hogan) and cuts, our LB corp was stronger that we imagined. DB's were set and with Gilmore allowed to walk now becomes a huge weakness of the team having now to replace A cb and safety. Injuries are a part of the game, self inflicted pain should not be. This is a management problem. So this draft we now must deal with these units, rather than working on improving the team with the strongest, best player or even a QB. When you now draft a QB project it comes at the expense of strengthening one of the units we destroyed by our own hand. WRs, LB, DB, should be set and through our own acts are not. 17 years of starting over again....

This article should not be a surprise to anyone. What it does show is the incompetence and useless staff at the Buffalo News. Skurski, Sullivan who have such little insight, little concern other than laziness. There is no one on this board who did not see Rex gaining weight. There is no Bills fans that did not know the brotherhood of the Ryan's was more important than the Bills. Does It really take a national reporter to undercover the underlying issues. Come on Sullivan, you should be totally embarrassed.

I love the red helmets and while we are at it bring back the red endzones

This is an interesting topic that needs to be explored. Are Canaidian fans important. Well, this is quite relative. I submit that if we must do the nazi thing and rate then I suggest that Canadian fans are more important than say Saudi Arabian fans. Canadian fans have better beer, the women wear clothing that shows off their curves, and they are more likely to do ribs on the bbq during tailgating. Certainly Canadian fans would complain more about the price of beer in the stadium as all the Saudi's are so rich they would not. The Saudi's would buy more club seats and boxes than Canadian fans. So the Canadian fans are actually taking seats from Americans , so that is a negative I am sure. Saudi fans usually ride in limos so they do not take prime tailgating spots at Hammers Lot, so once again they are more important to Americans. Of course Americans must bow to the Saudi's for supplying the oil used to make the gas to allow the tailgating, and you don't want to piss them off and not sell the oil to you. So in a round about way Saudi's are more important to the Bills than the Canadian fans. However, finally the true test, as a Canadian Bills fan, who tailgated every game for 17 years, who shared many many beers, shots, ribs, jambalaya, sausage, chairs, fires, tents, high fives, tears, joy, hugs, ticket lines (before the on line sales) etc etc, I never once found a true Bills fan, even concerned about the question of where I was from. We were and are united under the banner of the Bills.

I don't understand these comments about leakers. Leak what to whom. Certainly not leaking to the local media. They have not had a scoop in years and years. Even the chaplain would not speak to Sullivan. Maybe they were whiners, giving excuses for lazy players. Maybe they supported the pool table deal. This team for many years has been a failure, rotting from the inside, so someone has to get the house in order. Someone has to fix the water cooler stuff. When the location of your parking spot becomes important that shows the lack of focus on the task. This Padre has been unable to rid us of the demons, time for another to try. I don't understand these comments about leakers. Leak what to whom. Certainly not leaking to the local media. They have not had a scoop in years and years. Even the chaplain would not speak to Sullivan. Maybe they were whiners, giving excuses for lazy players. Maybe they supported the pool table deal. This team for many years has been a failure, rotting from the inside, so someone has to get the house in order. Someone has to fix the water cooler stuff. When the location of your parking spot becomes important that shows the lack of focus on the task. This Padre has been unable to rid us of the demons, time for another to try.

I am not sure I can support a head coach who doesn't believe that Bigfoot exists. Who does he think drags the car into the parking lot for Pinto Ron every game.?