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"throw to score, run to win" ~ Ron Erhardt if an opponent's D line cannot win their individual battles with an O line, the opponent will bring secondary defenders in to help. when they do, 'play action pass' plays will get receivers behind those defenders. standard play action requires the line to sell the run. "a very wise coach once told me,"if you really want play action, you better pull a guard" ~ Greg Roman so what if the opponent's sharp enough to identify a 'key' for his secondary defenders that keeps them from biting? you run some 'play option pass' at them. the entire line blocks for the called run, but the QB has the option of pulling the hand-off back and hitting a quick pass behind the secondary defenders. if they read 'play action pass' and don't bite - give it to the RB. this can also turn the 'read option' into a triple option play. everything spins off an effective O line. "I think I kinda want it" ~ Dewey Cox

no biggie.. deleted the post

let's save those until we sign a Zoolander

i deleted the links.. the red text is an excerpt..

i think you inadvertently put your finger on it ("that's what she said" ).. got a feeling our skill players are going to get involved in the run game to a greater degree. don't know anything about new coach, but i'm thinking our receivers will be expected to be physical wherever Roman needs them to pick off a DB on a rub, or crack-back an edge defender.

sorry, i don't understand your response.. oh.. nevermind - didn't see your actual message.. done .. but i'm curious.. isn't including the links in your request for me to - remove the links - counter-productive? guess i don't get the technology..

whether he owns more than three visors.. obviously

oh, i don't know.. maybe a couple young men who - for whatever reason - didn't get much attention during their collegiate careers, could actually shine at the pro level if teams had the luxury of taking a chance on them. there really is no minor league to develop talent outside the practice squad - and that has limitations to it's participation. as long as no constraints are legislated into the game that allow mediocre QBs to out-perform excetional QBs, what's the harm in trying to identify more exceptional QBs? if i choose to develop 4 or 5 read/option QBs to suit my system, that's on me. if i choose to diversify, and invest my time on an assortment of different styled QBs - that's also on me. the thing is.. on Sunday, i still have to dress whoever gives me the best chance to win - and thats all STP was asking for - a better chance.

allow me to herd your talking points together before you approach the NFL Competition Committee - how many Tom Bradys may exist right now? it's in everyone's interest to change roster rules, salary cap rules, QB development rules, etc., to find them and get them playing in the NFL. change nothing about the game rules themselves, but change lots of things to help find and develop more Tom Bradys all teams should be allowed to take, let's say, 3 or 4 QBs per year that do not count against their regular draft picks maintenance of these players in terms of taking up a roster spot, paying them (against the cap) and so on, should not be allowed to penalize the team in any way. now, i believe you are settling into a very 'doable' situation that has no impact on existing gameplay, other than increasing the chance for more clubs to find a capable QB. there's no certainty that clubs with lazy scouting departments, over-eager marketing departments, and one-trick pony coaches won't continue to squander opportunities to upgrade the position - but i think many clubs who are drifting along with a mediocre QB could benefit from an expansion of the parameters that limit their ability to fill that spot. Bravo, STP! i actually like that alot. in fact, the separate QB draft (mentioned somewhere in this thread) could be ordered by need - based on some criteria of prior year offensive production measurements.

in fairness to STP, this quote comes from our new O line coach Cromer - the context was a discussion on the importance of intelligence in a QB... There are only so many quarterbacks who can come to the line of scrimmage and have 5 plans for whatever the defense shows and be able to execute them perfectly, the only people who can do that are Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, and Drew Brees" now, i don't interpret that opinion as "there are only so many QBs in the world".. i interpret it as "there are only so many QBs in the league". until clubs place an emphasis on the opinions of the men who work with these guys, and bring the entire organization together - including their scouting and marketing folks - on what's needed, teams will continue to draft players with little chance to succeed

ignorance is bliss 😊

i don't believe it's luck that Seattle's OC - who was a QB at Wisconson - had knowledge of Russell Wilson, attended his pro-day, and convinced the GM to draft him. Wilson became a Seahawk in spite of the team - and the entire NFL's - crack team of scouts. honestly.. i think a lot of these guys are dumb as a rock, and only repeat what they hear rather than jeopardize their jobs. So what would i do if i were Pegula, or anyone in charge of the club? make it clear that anyone with a gut feeling about a kid, or who's heard very good things about a kid - should follow that lead until it washes out. kick the lazy coach-wannabes to the curb.. i heard about conversations between Knowshon Moreno's coaches and college scouts who had this reason and that, why he'd never amount to anything as a collegiate RB.. it's not science.. it's intuition, and keeping your ear to the tracks

maybe QBs could have a handicap - like amateur golfers.. if EJ can get the ball within a couple yards of an intended receiver, it could be ruled a completion - even if it's picked off. sorry.. but the responsibility in choosing top flight talent rests on having a top shelf scouting department, and a FO whose priority is the product on the field. if the scouts tell the FO there's nobody worth drafting high - they should listen - instead of trying to create a marketing buzz with an unwarranted pick..

then the solution is easy - expand the playoffs to include the top 3 teams in each division, and play the SB on the 4th of July yeppers

not sure if we were seeing the r/o or the play option pass there.. where the line run block, the back and QB mesh while the QB reads the DE. if the DE crashes, the QB keeps and reads the outside LB /safety in pass coverage.. if they come to stop his run, he throws it behind them.. i think i remember reading somewhere back in 2013 how Hackett or Marrone wanted to incorporate it, and may have seen it before i knew what was seeing - looks like a busted play.. the best running it is Wilson in Seattle - Carroll credits Auburn's Malzahn for the wrinkle.. http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2014/10/2/6889005/pop-plays-and-the-pro-style-offense if the DE was crashing, then EJ never took the chance to develop the play.. not all on Hackett.. expect to see it more this year

i believe the league's rule committee encourages clubs to think outside the box in order to field an affordable, competitive team, but diluting the skills necessary to play a position in order to increase parity is a very slippery slope. what's next? no players who run faster that a 4.4 40? no players who can bench 225 more that 15 reps? you're moving in the opposite direction of why we love the game - because these players are extraordinary. i actually thought we were witnessing a paradigm shift with the advent of the QB read option a couple seasons back. i thought clubs were taking a stab at evolving their offense to expand the pool of players who could execute it. but rather than open up the rosters across the league to primarily athletic QBs with limited abilities to decode a defense - it only reinforced the need for a QB to posses such a skill - and thus became just another tool in the toolbox.

did the Bills get an order of protection out on him yet?

and the winner is..

Marrone arrived outside the fence of the Jacksonville training facility pushing a shopping cart with a radio in it.

Marrone's bumper sticker - Paranoid Schizophrenics Make Better Coaches Who Said That?!

good topic.. if you want to devalue the QB's importance to an offense, you need to examine the skills that create varying levels of competency - and lessen the value of the skills shared by the minority, while increasing the value of the skills shared by the majority. kind of like 'social engineering' the sport. i'm as Darwinian a football fan as there is - in spite of what my handle may suggest - so i'd hate to see any rule changes to devolve the game... but since you're soliciting suggestions, here's mine - the ability to read defensive pass coverages will be on your list of skills to dilute - you could prohibit, or limit, zone coverages.. or you could play no blitzes.. anything to assist the mediocre QB in finding his targets.

2 for 2! 😊 and you bring up a great point about what's needed to get guys moving... if Roman wants to install his trap/counter/sweep running attack with a pinch of option, he and Rex and Whaley need to get athletic on the O line.. the current guys are probably gonna receive their off season conditioning and training instructions soon

red helmets lost 4 SBs.. bad mojo