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Over their last 15 games, Buffalo has been outscored by 176 points (375-209). After this coming game it wouldn't surprise me to be closer to 200-210 in the equivalent of a 16 game season. To put that into perspective, the 1984 and 85 Bills were outscored by 204 and 181 points respectively. I'm not a fan of sports media types ever angling to get people fired and see this largely to feed their ego to change things. I do expect them to call into question when things are going off the rails like this season has.

I wonder how much Daboll asked about the QB position plans when he was interviewing. As in, would "Nate-Pete" be in competition to start at QB. If the answer was yes, the better career move would have been to leave and never look back at Buffalo.

The fantasy football effect to team building has clouded minds from seeing reality. The Bills will indeed be sellers, particularly as they continue their slide to the NFL's basement. Contenders and teams with a shot at the playoffs make moves. Anyone else wants a jump start on next season.

On Tuesday 10/30 everyone gets a free taco if McCoach's defense gives up at least 6 TDs? Hopefully Belichick knows.

This is shades of Roy Williams to Dallas from Detroit 10 years ago. Big price paid by Jerrah (although that was a 1st, 3rd, and 6th) without much return.

Gruden is rebuilding the Raiders just like McCoach...tear the roster completely down by trading all or most of your assets, obtain a bunch of draft picks, and make sure this rebuild takes at least 3 full seasons. It's a bold strategy Cotton...

Rebuilding successfully is another matter however. At best this one is stuck in neutral and there's a lot of heavy lifting necessary this off-season.

Is a team rebuilding well when they lose 3 or more games in season 2 than they did in season 1? I'm just asking for a friend.

By comparison the 3-13 2001 Bills were outscored by 155 points while the 4-12 2010 Bills were outscored by 142 points. And, who could forget the 1984 Bills that were outscored by 204 points, went 2-14, and scored 250 points. The 2018 team is going to challenge for a franchise all time worst. Well said Dave. All the more reason to invest first in offense. One would think it'd be obvious by now, but it's not.

Where is my Staples "Easy" button when I need it? The quoted here represents something so tone-deaf it's amazing. If Mr. Process tries to convince that locker room Peterman can play, he's going to start losing the team. No veteran in his right mind has any confidence in that guy.

The Rams could retain Donald because Goff is still on his rookie contract, so the Raiders comparison is not appropriate. Carr has signed his big 2nd contract which impacted negotiations with Mack.

What if Tom Brady can play well until he's 50? What if Belichick is super-human and can coach until he's 90? What if the refs really are against the Bills? Oh the anxiety. What are we going to do? I got it...post another what if thread!

I'm not going to worry about whether NYJ outmaneuvered them. Still, the Jets had a plan and executed it. Challenge them for paying 3 2nd round picks, but they were decisive and had contingency plans. I suspect, based on their Carolina experience, that Beane and McCoach wanted a big, strong armed, durable QB who fit the mold of what they had in Newton. OK, but why not have something in place like a veteran on the roster. It is the game's most important position. CT is right that this was negligence. They tried to get by with 2 QBs on the roster to have another depth guy somewhere else. It predictably didn't work and now they're scrambling.

Regarding the Jets, they drafted Darnold in the 1st, retained a veteran in McCown, and signed Bridgewater in UFA. They went all in to ensure they had multiple answers at QB should something not work out. When it was clear Darnold was starting, and the former starter McCown was there as a backup, only then did they deal Bridgewater. A solid strategy after previous seasons of not truly addressing the QB position. They used multiple methods to acquire a legit starter this off-season. McCoach and Beane? Their track record suggests they don't know what they're doing at QB. They wisely signed a vet and retained their 2nd year QB who has struggled. The same 2nd year QB who possesses a notoriously weak arm . Next, they drafted the raw rookie in the 1st. At the end of the preseason, they trade the only veteran QB on the roster to start a significantly flawed and inexperienced option and have him backed up by the raw rookie. The inevitable happened when the flawed QB struggled mightily, forcing them into their only option: the rookie who most people realize should have had more time than one half to watch from the sidelines. That injury has forced them into signing a street free agent, who likely will struggle. Their rookie is injured and out for who knows when. Immediately the SFA needs to start and is backed up by the flawed QB. This is almost NFL personnel malfeasance. McCoach may know defense, but at the game's most important position, he and Beane so far are inept. If they don't right that ship soon, it will end both McCoach and Beane's tenure in Buffalo within 2 years.

Fitz can play well in spurts and over the 14 year career has demonstrated that. In the right offense that doesn't require a big arm he can make plays. Tyrod has never approached the passing ability Fitz has. Never. There is no right offense for TT...at least not in the NFL where throwing 65% of your passes to the sidelines is going to work.

What world is TT living in that he thinks he's going to start somewhere now? He had 4 seasons (2015-18) to prove on 2 teams that he's a starter. He's 0 fer 2 now. There isn't going to be a third at bat.

I know Jeff George never played for Carolina, but he's still available. He'd be what, 50 now? Probably has a better arm that Peterman does, so that's a plus.

Fans are never going to get perfect ownership or anything remotely close. At times I remind myself what it was like during the days of RW and his people running OBD into the ground. There was Jeff Littmann, Russ "Mr. Smithers" Brandon, the hiring of bad GMs, significant player spending limitations, and bad HC hires. Those were some bad seasons and eventually it became obvious the team wasn't competing anymore as Mr. Wilson entered his septuagenarian years. Now, there's ownership who hires new people that clean out/demote the old ownership's people and then give them the keys to the place. They aren't micromanaging their hires, but will make moves when results don't happen. What's better? I'll take the latter with it's inherent flaws. Those last 10 RW years were bad

McBeane have their reputations riding on Allen. It wasn't part of the process to start him beginning in week 2, but it happened. And now that they have another (albeit less than ideal) option not named Peterman, they need to adjust and think longer term. That's going to mean some bad football, but they're not in do or die time. Not yet at least. Agree with OP. Sit their guy and hope the game slows down so he'll be ready to take the reigns in 2019.

It was criminal for McBeane to enter this season with Peterman the starter and a rookie backing him up. Knowing how often QBs get injured and Peterman's play last year, is it that hard to acknowledge you need a third option? Is it worth having another backup LB or DB on the 53 man roster over another QB with a depth chart like that? I expect the GM and HC to better plan at the most important position and that's not hindsight. They got cute at QB and it came back to hurt them. If McCoach doesn't like that, well, too bad. No reasonable person expected Buffalo to win double digit games, but when you've got a chance at Houston and the backup already failed QB loses it for you, there's going to be frustration.

Understood and agree to disagree. And I'm good with that.

I'm referring to the QB decision sequence McBeane have demonstrated: 1. Starting Peterman versus LA last year. 2. Dealing McCarron for a song which meant: 3. Having an opening day depth chart of Peterman and Allen. 4. Peterman stepping all over himself in Week 1, leaving Allen the only option. 5. Not signing a veteran at all after Week 1. 6. Allen having to play before he's truly ready. 7. Peterman having to play by default yesterday. I'm not closing the door in any way on Allen, but he's in way over his head at this point. Doesn't remove the fact that everything else decision wise has been inept.

No one's complaining about the result from last season. I'm certainly not. And this is a message board, not McCoach's Twitter feed, so I don't care what he thinks. I was talking about how they were a really mediocre team that lucked into the playoffs. This is a rebuild going nowhere. They've misfired at the QB, spent a ton on defense, and still don't field anything resembling a modern offense. As to the thread subject, they've built nothing on offense and their major accomplishment has been the mere drafting of a QB in the 1st round. That's it. Otherwise, in rebuild year 2, this is the lowest scoring team in the NFL through 6 weeks. Let that sink in and then tell me they're making progress. Now, cue the "rebuilds take time" mantra. Yeah, they do. They take a lot longer when the "process" is flawed from inception.

The 2017 Buffalo Bills may well have been one of the worst teams to ever make the playoffs since the modern playoff format started in 1990. Opponents outscored Buffalo by 57 points and it took the Cincinnati miracle for them to squeak in as a 6 seed. No self respecting GM or HC expects to make the post-season that way. Not one that expects to have their job more than 3-4 seasons.

That's like giving the win to a starting pitcher who goes 5 innings, gives up 6 runs and his offense scores 7. Sure it goes down as a "W" but he didn't win that game.