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Philly wanted him and we didn't. Or maybe Peters didn't want Buffalo. Andy Reid, 7 out 10 in playoff appearances since 1999. Buffalo: 1. If it's true he wanted 11.5 per, maybe it was a way of getting out of Buffalo. Still would have wanted him, and not had to find OL on Day 1. Or perhaps Kirk Chambers is a capable LG, Walker can play LT, and Demetrius Bell will be a fine RT. Yeah right.

Duke Robinson is not being talked about very highly anymore. His work ethic and body type may not instantly translate into NFL success. Herman Johnson is big, sure. But I saw him have problems with penetrating DT's, and his lateral movement wasn't really good IMO. The guard class this year is extremely weak, although centers Wood and Mack are very good. Reaching on OL because a hole has been created isn't going to solve the problem. And it ignores the lack of a true SAM LB and pass rusher. There just aren't enough picks to hopefully remove the holes Buffalo has created. It's like that every year.

I've got a feeling the Bills will take the most NFL-ready player they can at a position of need. This as opposed to a player who could have more upside in 2-3 years. Everyone at OBD knows they've got to win now, not 2-3 years from now. Fearing a bust by taking the safe pick is what has Buffalo in their current situation.

Don't look now, but the Royals may have a pitching staff in that AL Central. Being a small market doesn't equate to having no chance. There are plenty of teams who can, but they are great at developing talent with Peters as a fine example. Unfortunately, you're correct in pointing out that Buffalo either has poor scouts, or the people/person who has final say just plain stinks. In time, the Bills will be a memory. Phil Lind has been talking a storm about wanting 2-3 games in the near future. If that isn't disconcerting, I don't know what is. I'll be there in September, although if this season doesn't produce a winner, that's 10 straight seasons without a playoff appearance. And in only one year did the Bills have a record above .500. Not good enough, and remarkably some people are still optimistic.

You won't get any argument from me. The problem always returns to RW. I can't help but recall the story of why Lou Saban decided to leave in 1976. OJ sat out all of camp wanting a new deal, Saban made preparations for life without him, and then Ralph shows up the night before the opener with OJ and a new contract. RW has sold games to Toronto with no intention of spending more on players, gripes about revenue sharing, and tells us the HC needs to stick around for the sake of continuity. We are no better than the Bengals, or Raiders. At least the Lions hired a new coach and fired Millen. RW is a stubborn and micromanaging type, who while wealthy, couldn't make this team better if he tried. He struck gold with Polian, but aside from BP's GM time (86-92 seasons) RW has exactly 8 playoff appearances in the other 30+ seasons. There's no GM, Bogdan is a know-nothing, Overdorf couldn't negotiate a deal for ice with people in hell, and Brandon's time at the combine doesn't make up for never being full time in personnel.

I thought the Bills were all about "continuity" On second thought, that must only apply to coaches who for whatever reason are signed to extensions and then promptly go 2-8 in their final ten. They would cost the team money, so they're the exception. This is called illustrating absurdity by being absurd. Take note of the Giants OL. Those guys have been together for an eternity in the salary cap era-about 3 seasons now. Yet the moves Marv made are being reversed. I'm not clear on what was accomplished in his two seasons of answering fan mail and making speeches. The more I think about it, these are the moves of a marketing guy. Make changes, fail, make some more moves, hope to attract fans with changes, and end up in the same place you started: mediocrity and missing the playoffs.

When I say Bills, I'm referring to his teammates. I wasn't aware that he opted not to play the Denver game that morning. I'm sure it was announced, but not returning calls to teammates seems odd. I would also think that any player understands fellow players want to get paid, especially with a lower value contract.

One move in 2 years ain't enough. That's why they paid Marv the big bucks.

It makes me wonder what completely soured him on being with the Bills. Not returning calls to the front office is one thing. Not talking to players is another. Unless the locker room was divided on the hold out. That's pure speculation, but there's so much more to this story.

SB, Don't ever change your avatar. At least until the Bills leave town. Because they're living up to the surrender flag right now. Ole Russ has the troops motivated!!!

What can they get for a pass rusher who can't rush the passer and falls for every change of direction play?

Character matters I think they have the dart board up and Guy is just slinging right now. Maybe Brandon and he are a team.

Oh man. Joe Thomas was one of the best LT's to come out in years. Ran a 4.9 40 for a guy over 315 pounds. Tony Ugoh was a Polian pick in the 2nd that trader Bill used a 2nd to get. And if Polian's picking, that player is usually gonna be good. LT's don't grow on trees. To the casual and uneducated football fan, it's easy to put anyone up against DE's and pass rushing OLB's. The skill set just isn't available all that often, and most fans don't even know it. Most people know Buffalo will be playing Mario Williams, Joey Porter twice, whomever Belichick has, John Abraham, Dwight Freeney, and others this season. If I were Trent I'd be worried.

Dean, I know you're a big Marv fan. But you're too invested in him to admit there were several errors made, both known on the day they were made and in hindsight. Trouble is, had Marv been as successful as a GM, Buffalo wouldn't be in the hole they are now. His worst judgment was hiring DJ, and we both know it. The biggest decision he had to make was the worst. That does not constitute success, average, anything.

I'm just at a loss right now with this organization. Taking a step forward and then multiple ones in reverse. I get that some people love to be optimistic and that's fine. But I think it gets old hoping and wishing the team is successful. I want to see some proof the team intends to be competitive and will remain in WNY. Nothing is certain in life, and I don't want to be a doubting Thomas, but losing gets old. I've been to 3 primetime games since 07 where I've seen this team get blown out or lose in the waning moments. I want to win, and it hasn't happened. When they had the chance to change things up, they refused, citing continuity. That's why I'm amazed more aren't seeing the bigger picture here.

Because all players that have one poor season and who are disgruntled should be allowed to leave or traded Signed, Drew Brees

So what type of lens does that make the Bills? The reverse peephole Kramer used in his door? Or an eyepatch? So did Marv. TD was three plus years and four off-seasons ago.

Russ Brandon: "Obviously we value character very highly." Guess those draft luncheons are there to fool us about everything they do. Silly us, thinking the Bills wouldn't be interested in players with character issues. I love it.

Here's the definition from Webster's Dictionary: A. deep cleft, ravine B. Buffalo Bills front office

If you enjoy ignoring reality in order to remain optimistic, so be it. I happen to demand success, and in this case I'll take a playoff appearance. Unfortunately, the last time we had one of those something really bad happened. That was more than nine years ago. I gather there are several casual fans who don't really care if the team loses. To them, just having a team is enough. OTOH, a winning season every decade is also enough for them.

Graham raises some interesting points here. Graham on Peters trade

Maybe Roscoe and Moorman can play CB too. I know both are a little small, but with some work in the weight room, they'd be very valuable.

What's not to love? Al Davis let him go in UFA, he hasn't played the position beside 1 NFL game, and he's about 30 pounds overweight. Sounds like a perfect candidate to dominate all those great DE's and OLB's we'll be seeing this season. And people thought Peters sucked. Give it about 6 months.

Please post more often. Especially with that avatar. I think reality is beginning to set in, primarily for fan who knew this team during Polian's time. Buffalo is a far cry from respected anymore, and it's moves like this which leave me scratching my head. I think the Bills are a terminal case at this point. There's no stopping the team moving out the door when the inevitable happens.

You're banking on a guy who's never taken part in an actual NFL game? That's not a comforting idea. Especially playing OT. Man, with that kind of front office running the show, you'd think Buffalo's made the playoffs in the past 9 seasons. The Bills are who we thought they were (that line never gets old) - a team without the management to exercise a vision toward improving. It's why they've gone 7-9 three seasons in a row. If there's one guy who should have been let go this offseason, it was the HC.