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He's done.
Anthony Thomas is better than Lewis.
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This post is laughable. If you really think the Bills are in the same position they were in last offseason or where the Texans are now...
I didn't say that. You said
"No team should, at a stage in the game as early as we are, submit to the fact that they aren't going to win the SuperBowl"
Your words.
Not sure how many teams go from a team that hasn't made the playoffs, have a quarterback that has never even had a winning season (let alone played in a playoff game) to winners of the Super Bowl.
They are still building.
oh, one more thing.
DON"T BRING BACK LONDON FLETCHER
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Just saw this news on NFL Network.
I kinda wanted them to keep Spikes around if Fletcher left because it would give us another option other than Keith Ellison...if Spikes goes, Ellison will start in all likelihood, I'm guessing on the weak side. This would also increase the chances that we draft Patrick Willis in the 1st round.
Wonder what we could get for TKO?
I wonder who would want to take on his salary. If the Bills don't get an offer they might just cut him.
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when asked why buffalo would want to trade willis, he said "i think its a combination of some things. we havent been able to work out a long term deal yet. and willis has expressed some frustration with being in buffalo and the offense they have."
when countered with the fact that willis gets a LOT of touches, he responded with "i dont like to call out other players, or name names, but the offensive line has been less than expected..." blah blah blah
didnt mention that Willis didnt know the playbook and not knowing which gap to hit or where the hole was supposed to be, probably made the line look just as bad...
I am a little hesitant to believe that rumour. I just can't imagine this coaching staff not using Anthony Thomas more than they did this season were that rumour true. I'm not a big Willis fan, but I'm no hater either and alot people seem to WANT to believe the worst about Willis. I have to hear that one straight from someone in the organization.
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anyone know who we may be interested in?
I see on bb.com that there are a picture of OL Eric Stienbech(Bengals) and LB Adelius Thompson(ravens) but I am unable to watch the video however. But I hope we could pick up these two guys.
Are you serious?
Maybe there should be some kind of test given before someone is allowed to post on this board.
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I don't like this thinking. No team should, at a stage in the game as early as we are, submit to the fact that they aren't going to win the SuperBowl. Especially the Bills, a team that won 5 of their last 7 games and has a good, young offense that came together down the stretch last year. Instead of just thinking that we'll fix the offense this year and the defense next year, we should be trying to find a way to maximize our resources to get players at every position at the level this team needs to compete NOW. There's no reason why we can't make the jump into the playoffs in '07. To already give up on this upcoming season is ludicrous.
I'm not sure what to say, except that it doesn't work that way.
Did you think this past season that the Bills should have approached the season like they were gonna win the Super Bowl?
Do you think the Texans should approach this season like "This is the year"?
If so, your an idiot.
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I agree with the basics of this a lot. I am all for bringing in young character guys who grow with the team. But there is a lot of worth in a couple veteran guys that are directly responsible for the glue that allows the young guys to mature. A veteran guard on this team helps the quarterback, the receivers and the running back to grow. A veteran receiver or TE could help all of them, too. A veteran CB once we lose Nate goes a long way to help the young guys by not necessarily forcing them into a position they cannot handle.
I think the Bills should get a veteran guard and draft a running back. A first-round worthy running back. I just hope that Marshawn Lynch has his head on straight enough that he would be worthy of the pick. I am very worried about the offense regressing, and the long term effect that could have.
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I agree with you but jordan is much better then dominic rhodes. In a split carry backfield with Jordan/rookie 1st day pick it's much better then guys like tj duckett or ahman green, but no I would not want to see Jordan as an everydown starter as a solution to replacing willis.
It might be better than Green or Duckett, but it would still suck real bad.
The Bills are in a big quandry. I realize defense wins championships, but if this offense goes backwards, it could just kill off this core group. If the offense sucks because of the lack of a running game, fingers start getting pointed, Losman loses confidence, veterans are pissed, team is divided. Back to 2005.
They aren't gonna win the Super Bowl this year. The offense is close, they have to solidify it this year (get a running back and a guard). They can concentrate on defense next year.
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Yeah, the guy only knows how to pick up the blitz and is a great back catching the ball out of the backfield. As for a pure runner, I'd say he's equal to Willis (which is to say, average). Overall, Jordon would be an improvement over the RB play the Bills have had in recent years.
You're crazy.
Can't you see that the Raiders bought into idea that he was more than a backup and got burned?
This is how I view Dominic Rhodes as well. I dread the idea of either of these guys as the Bills featured back.
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The Bills could use a good fullback, but to think of this guy as your featured back is just silly. I'm sure he is hard working, a nice guy, all those things, but there are probably other running backs available (that don't get the hype) that are better. They might even make cookies for the fans, and help old ladies across the street.
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This is so unrelated to the discussion it's absurd. Like if I had replaced McNair w/ Rothlisburger that would change anything?
Who cares? To say Bettis wasn't featured is an understatement. Antowain Smith > LT?
You're clearly arguing for arguing sake at this point.
No, my point is that you get the best Running Backs, the backs that win Super Bowls, in the FIRST ROUND. You don't just go into a draft thinking " I'll pick up my franchise back in the 2nd or 3rd round".
My point is that the BIlls should follow past examples, and the odds. Yeah, Antowain Smith was nothing special, and Terrell Davis was a 6th rounder, but the odds when you draft in the 1st round.
I laid it out clearly. I would like the Bills to draft a top ranking, first round talent because for the past 40 years those have been the guys MOST LIKELY to win the Super Bowl
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Which guys I mentioned? You mean like LT? Not sure what you're arguing here.
I like the chances that the team that wins the SB next year and the year after has "a guy they just get by with" just like every other champion since the '99 Rams and every team in the league today not nicknamed the Chargers.
Rudi Johnson, Carson Palmer, Steve McNair, Kevin Jones, LT. No Super Bowl wins.
Every SB winner since 2000 except the Bucs has had a #1 draft choice at running back (granted, Bettis wasn't featured). That's what I'm talking about.
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If Willis stays we have a #1 running back. And a #1 qb. And a #1 safety, (thank the football gods). We are READY!
What we need is a #1 Defensive Lineman, I'm thinking.
I didn't say just any first round running back will do. I don't think Willis is the right guy. But even if the defense is worse than last year and the offense takes off, the Bills will be better off.
Basically I think that the offense is fragile. It is the part of the team that needs to solidify, and you need a good running back. You HAVE to keep it going forward or there can be serious confidence problems.
If the defense is great but the offense sucks, we are back to a defense that points fingers at Losman, and pissed off veterans dividing the lockeroom. We aren't going to win the Super Bowl this season, we have to BUILD the team correctly. The offense is on the cusp, don't let it fall apart now.
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I agree QB's to a certain extent are "all or nothing". RB def. not IMO. I mean LT is "all", the Jets have "nothing", but the vast majority of teams are pretty much like the Bills @RB where you have a guy you can win with, but can't take over a game.
Lets just forget about Manning & Brady who are incredibly rare. Take Carson Palmer who most consider the 3rd best QB and compare him to the ~16th or average - lets just say Steve McNair for argument sake. The difference between these guys is pretty big - probably worth around 2 wins per year.
When you compare the 3rd vs. 16th best RB in the league is there that much of a difference? I'd say no way in hell. I mean, if Rudi Johnson & Kevin Jones switched teams without telling anybody I doubt anyone would notice any difference at all.
Not sure if this makes any sense in print but that's the best I can think to articulate it.
Funny thing is NONE of the guys you mentioned have won a Super Bowl.
Yes the vast majority of teams do have a guy that they just get by with, and they don't win the Super Bowl.
Every now and then a team wins the SB with just a guy and a GREAT QB. But if you look at the Super Bowl Winners List provided above, they have excellent backs (whether first rounders or not, I mean I be thrilled if the Bills got someone as good as Terrell Davis in the 7th round, it's just not LIKELY, they really need to play the odds on this I think).
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Txs for all the hard work, but I do have one question? What was the position of the draft picks (eg. Round one #12)?
That would be interesting to find out. maybe most picks were in the top 10 aswell?
Thanx, took some time but I was really interested. I think that unless you have a masterful, one-for-the-ages quarterback (I think very highly of JP, he may even be HOF material, but I don't think he is Elway, Montana, or Manning), you need a super-clutch, take over the game guy, and those guys don't usually fall out of the 1st round.
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Agreed. Every position has a higher success rate in the early rounds. Off the top of my head the SB winning RB's this decade have been Jammal Lewis, Antowain Smith, Forgot-his-first-name Pittman, Antowain Smith, Corey Dillion, Willie Parker, Joeseph Addai....
I realize there are some mediocre QB's in that same time-frame too, but there's a reason why the salaries go QB > LT > DL > RB
There are 2 positions that are basically all or nothing, QB and RB, either you got one on he's on the bench, useless. You can draft any other position and if the guys just alright he can still be a starter (move the LT to guard or instead of a #1 receiver the guys a #2), but QB and RB have to be top shelf (please don't mention Brad Johnson, he's is a very rare exception).
We don't know much about Marshawn Lynch (work ethic, attitude, etc.), and I don't know if he is the answer, but aside from Peterson (who appears to be out of reach) he seems to fit the Bill (can catch well, can run inside pretty good too).
My point isn't that they should draft Lynch, but that I don't think they can waste a 2nd round pick, and they better get lucky. They are in a quandry because they need a back NOW.
If they regress, and don't keep building off of last year, I could easily see things fall apart. Like no running threat kills the passing game, Losman loses confidence and or players lose confidence in Losman.....Bad things, very bad things.
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We're not drafting a RB in the first round this year.
I don't think they will either, but I think they should. Perhaps next year, but a letdown this season could pull the team right off the tracks. A bad running game could cause a big letdown.
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im a coast guard boarding officer... and trust me, when that boat was boarded it was searched.. i can assure you of that.
So I'm to believe that there wasn't a single joint smoked on-board that night?
Was Onterrio "The Wizzinator" Smith onboard?
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Actually you got me thinking. Here is a list of Super Bowl champions and their RB with the round they were chosen ( sorry if it looks crappy, but even this was alot of work). Lots of 1's.....
07 Colts Addai #1
06 Steelers Parker undrafted Bettis #1
05 Pats Dillion #1
04 Pats Smith #1
03 Bucs Alstott #2
02 Pats Smith #1
01 Ravens Lewis #1
00 Rams Faulk #1
99 Broncos Davis #6
98 Broncos Davis #6
97 Packers Bennett #4
96 Cowboys Smith #1
95 49ers Watters #2
94 Cowboys Smith #1
93 Cowboys Smith #1
92 Redskins Byner #10
91 Giants Hampton #1
90 49ers Craig #2
89 49ers Craig #2
88 Redskins Rogers #1
87 Giants Morris #2
86 Bears Payton #1
85 49ers Tyler #3
84 Raiders Allen #1
83 Redskins Riggins #1
82 49ers Cooper #1 Patton #10
81 Raiders King #3
80 Steelers Harris #1
79 Steelers Harris #1
78 Cowboys Dorsett #1
77 Raiders VanEeghen ?undrafted
76 Steelers Harris #1
75 Steelers Harris #1
74 Dolphins Csonka #1
73 Dolphins Csonka #1
72 Cowboys Thomas #1
71 Colts Bulaich #1
70 Chiefs Garrett #20 ???
69 Jets Snell #1
68 Packers Anderson #1
67 Packers Taylor #2 Anderson #1
The fact that most of the repeaters are #1's is interesting as well.
There were also alot of #1's on the losing side, but in Buffalo we know the losers don't count right?
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Who says you need a HOF RB to win the SuperBowl?
I'm more interested in The Bills winning a SuperBowl than having another HOF RB.
We have two of those already and no Lombardi.
Lots of teams have won the SB without a HOF RB.
Actually you got me thinking. Here is a list of Super Bowl champions and their RB with the round they were chosen ( sorry if it looks crappy, but even this was alot of work). Lots of 1's.....
07 Colts Addai #1
06 Steelers Parker undrafted Bettis #1
05 Pats Dillion #1
04 Pats Smith #1
03 Bucs Alstott #2
02 Pats Smith #1
01 Ravens Lewis #1
00 Rams Faulk #1
99 Broncos Davis #6
98 Broncos Davis #6
97 Packers Bennett #4
96 Cowboys Smith #1
95 49ers Watters #2
94 Cowboys Smith #1
93 Cowboys Smith #1
92 Redskins Byner #10
91 Giants Hampton #1
90 49ers Craig #2
89 49ers Craig #2
88 Redskins Rogers #1
87 Giants Morris #2
86 Bears Payton #1
85 49ers Tyler #3
84 Raiders Allen #1
83 Redskins Riggins #1
82 49ers Cooper #1 Patton #10
81 Raiders King #3
80 Steelers Harris #1
79 Steelers Harris #1
78 Cowboys Dorsett #1
77 Raiders VanEeghen ?undrafted
76 Steelers Harris #1
75 Steelers Harris #1
74 Dolphins Csonka #1
73 Dolphins Csonka #1
72 Cowboys Thomas #1
71 Colts Bulaich #1
70 Chiefs Garrett #20 ???
69 Jets Snell #1
68 Packers Anderson #1
67 Packers Taylor #2 Anderson #1
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Who says you need a HOF RB to win the SuperBowl?
I'm more interested in The Bills winning a SuperBowl than having another HOF RB.
We have two of those already and no Lombardi.
Lots of teams have won the SB without a HOF RB.
I didn't say you need a HOF running back, I think that these numbers give a good indication that the best backs come from the first round (by a large margin)
I too am more interested in the BIlls winning a Super Bowl than having a HOF RB
There are alot of Super Bowl winners on that list (and more to come that are just becoming eligible) in fact probably more teams that have won the Super Bowl have had a HOF RB than than not (of course winning Super Bowls is a good way to get to the HOF).
It's not about the Hall of Fame, it's about when to draft a running back.
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yea but name a single player in the nfl who would turn down an orgy on a yacht???? at least there weren't drugs or guns involved.. its not like he belongs in cincy.
We don't know that guns & drugs weren't present (I think it is likely they were). These guys are multi-millioniares in their 20's, with high profile occupations. I mean how much of this stuff goes on with just regular shmucks from Buffalo with $200 on a saturday night? From what I see (and do), alot. I really wouldn't expect anything different from the players (I just hope the organization can contain it as best as possible). I think Cincy is either on the bad side of the local law enforcement officials or having bad luck, and though they may also have a few more problem guys, NO TEAM is all cookies & milk.
Remember after that story broke, there were "reports" that the women were part of a prostitution ring based in Atlanta that had been servicing an abundance of professional sports teams. That came and went real quick, the NFL is slick.
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I have seen some posts that have a draft philosophy kinda like "Well, we need a defensive lineman most badly, so we should use the 1st pick there, then we need a linebacker 2nd most, so we should use the 2nd pick there, and we need a rb after that so in the 3rd", so on & so forth.
Then there are the people who say " we should just pick a nice "solid" running back in the 2nd or 3rd. Wrong approach.
Sure some 2nd rounders etc, have been very good, but you gotta go for it. Again there are 31 other organizations all trying to get better now. If Willis goes, we need a RB now.
I went to the Hall of Fame Site
25 Running backs
1 Marcus Allen
1 Jim Brown (FB) 1957-1965
1 Earl Campbell (RB) 1978-1985 1 Larry Csonka (FB) 1968-1979
1 Eric Dickerson (RB) 1983-1993
1 Tony Dorsett (RB) 1977-1988
1 Frank Gifford (HB-FL) 1952-1960, 1962-1964
1 Franco Harris (RB) 1972-1984
1 Paul Hornung (HB) 1957-1962, 1964-
1 Lenny Moore (HB) 1956-1967
1 John Riggins (RB) 1971-1979, 1981-1985
1 Barry Sanders (RB) 1989-1998
1 O.J. Simpson (RB) 1969-1979
1 Charley Trippi (HB) 1947-1955
1 Hugh McElhenny (HB) 1952-1964
1 Walter Payton
8 Leroy Kelly
2 John Henry Johnson
2 Thurman Thomas
2 Jim Taylor
Unlisted:
? Gayle Sayers
? Doak Walker
? Ollie Matson
? Marion Motley
? Joe Perry
I realize that to expect a HOF running back is alot, but I want a GREAT back and you have WAY better odds in the 1st RD. I don't even like the lower end of the 1st round. In the next couple of years Losman will be in his prime, Evans will be in his prime, this draft or next year is the time to get a 1st rate guy (and next year we hopefully won't be picking so high).
NOW is the time.
I also looked at some recent drafts (2000-2006), saw alot of busts and average guys after the first 15 or so picks,. I think you gotta play the odds and go 1st rounder.
Apparently, Lynch and Peterson are the choices (I don't want Turner).
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Reminds me of when they tried to trade Travis
Travis had probably already failed 2 drug tests
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