Dr. K

This is laughable. Coughlin lost his team at Jacksonville, and Ditka at New Orleans. Right now 90% of what is being posted on this board is hysterical.

I for one do not want to see Mularkey fired. I think he has a lot of the requisites to make a good head coach, and I like him ten times better than I liked Gregg Williams. I think people are giving him a lot less slack than they gave Williams, which is understandable since we have gone some time without a playoff appearance, but I also think that that is causing fans to unload things onto Mularkey's shoulders that are not his responsibility. I think he's made some questionable calls, but I think he has the makings of an excellent coach.

Good post. Thank god it's not another "My hair's on fire! This is the worst team in the history of the universe! Get rid of Donohoe or my life will end!" post. Believe me, I'm as upset at anyone at that collapse Sunday, but though I have lived and died with the Bills for forty years, really, this isn't life or death.

...take the players out for a sex weekend on a rented boat.

I'm absolutely with Horus on this. I think too many people here minimize the difficulty of finding a replacment for Moulds who is going to command the respect he gets from defenses. The assumption that Evans is automatically going to step up, wihtout Moulds on the other side, is like the assumption Atlanta made that Peerless Price would be a number 1 receiver no matter who was lined up on the other side, or the idea TD had that he could cut Christie and come up with a reliable kicker from just about anywhere.

I think you should take whatever sort of sign you want to the stadium. As for my suggestion of a sub-board, that was a joke. Of course I understand that people are going to post another half million screeds telling us once again how drafting Mike Williams was a terrible move, and how Donohoe spends all his time looking in the mirror and hiring ex-Steelers, and how Moulds should be cut right after we burn Josh Reed at the stake. Yada yada yada. It's just so predictable. As David Byrne said, "Say something once, why say it again?" They had a plan, it didn't work. Time to pick up the pieces, make some rational decisions, and see what happens next. The whines of outrage are way beyond tiresome at this point.

...so you can move the tiresome number of posts on this board blaming Global Warming, the War in Iraq, street crime and widesspread male erectile dysfunction to Tom Donohoe. The negativity here would be laughable if it did not make the place such a drag. And it's so plonking repetitive and whiny. I did not realize that Jerry Sullivan had perfected cloning.

Good one, Kelly. Says it all.

Maybe I'm a day early, but in the midst of this season of our discontent, I offer a few things I think we might be thankful for, despite the fact that Mike Williams is not what we hoped he would be. 1. Good food, which for me includes roast turkey (dark meat, please), fresh cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes with gravy, and pumpkin pie. 2. Weather. That includes sun, rain, snow, fresh air, falling leaves, and leaves that don't fall. 3. Family. Despite the fact that they can drive you crazy. That especially goes for children, who, until they figure out how to upload us all as digital information into computers, are the only tase of immortality you will ever have. 4. Friends. Otherwise we would all be solipsists. 5. Interesting work. It would be heaven if we all had jobs that challenged but did not kill us, kept our minds alive, provided enough income to support ourselves, and did not destroy the world in the process. 6. Sex. Even when it's bad, it's good, and when it's good, to borrow the words of a wise man in another context, "Where would you rather be than right, here, right now?" Here's to all of you, and to a sense of perspective.

I really don't know. I'm pretty discouraged, But it seems to me a lot of what we all say on the board is silly, flailing around, suggesting desperate moves as if there were some miracle that was going to turn the team around, or putting it all on some simgle scapegoat. Donohue, whatever you say about him, had a plan. It didn't work. I don't know if he can turn it around, so maybe you need another management team. Sure, fire him. But new management is not going to turn this team around right away--you're still looking at years. The Bills went for decades trying lots of different coaches, general managers, players, etc. and were still bad. I guess the only thing I'd say now is stop playing the old guys; play the young guys and figure out if any of them can play. At least then we might know the size of the hole we're in.

I missed a couple: hire a baseball guy as general manager get Drew Bledsoe back

Been reading the board and based on that I think I got it figure out what we need to do to get back to the Superbowl. It's simple . . . fire Donohoe fire Mularkey fire McNally cut Moulds cut Williams cut Reed get rid of Clements get a whole lot of great new players (from www.greatnewplayers.com, I guess) hire Jim Kelly as OC run on every down I don't know why the Bills' management can't figure this out.

Humiliating defeats have been much more common in the history of the Bills than victories or even competence. Those of us who have been fans since the 60s know that, overall, this has been a TERRIBLE franchise, with the exception of the period from say 1988 to 2000. Between 1966 and 1988 the Bills were the worst team inj football. I can't tell you how many times I saw them do humiliating things. When they looked good, I could only wait for the pratfall back to their "normal" state of incompetence. Unfortunately, I am getting that feeling about the Bills again. They have just gone back to what they have always been. No surprise, really. What else should we expect? I want something different, but I don't expect it. The Bills and the Cubs. It doens't have to be that way, but it is.

I'm in general agreement. Lose the following after this season: Milloy Adams Vincent Posey Teague In general, if a player is 30 or older, he must prove he is able to play and keep playing for the next three years to be kept on this team. Try to get something for Moulds. If you can restructure him, maybe keep him, but not at any cost. Tag and trade Clements if you can't sign him for a non cap-breaking deal. Invest big time, through draft or wise free agency acquisitions, in the O-line and D-line. Spend the rest of the season finding out if these young guys can play. I want to see Parrish, Preston, the backup linebackers, the safeties and backup corners on the field a lot more.

I don't know what to do about th coaching and management right now, but I have an opinion on the roster. I say take a good look at the roster right now, and if a player is not going to be here in two years, don't play him now and cut or trade him after the season. Go with the younger players, and see whether they can play or not. Maybe keep Fletcher in there, but play the youth movement. That means, after this season and even now, forget Vincent, Milloy, Adams on defense. On offense, I guess you may have to keep guys like teague starting for now in the hope they have a marginally better chance of keeping Losman from getting killed, but I don't see him there in the future. Play the younger linemen, Preston, etc. Maybe give M. Williams a last shot at right tackle (Peters didn't look to good today). But if the team is going to do anything next year, invest heavily in both lines. I think they can hold their own in the defensive backfied with the young guys from the last three seasons, and at linebacker with the Crowell and Fletcher and hopefully with a recovered Spikes, but I don't see what Posey is doing for us. Help in the D-line. Before last season people were saying the Chargers had a terrible line: they drafted and started two rookies and now they are beating up on people like us. To sUmmarize: INVEST IN THE O-LINE & D-LINE. PLAY THE YOUNG GUYS. LOSE THE OLDER PLAYERS, EVEN IF THEY HAVE A LITTLE GAS LEFT IN THE TANK.

Th reason I ask is that I don't see the Bills beating the Chargers in San Diego if Losman does not have a strong day passing, at least 250 yards and probably more than 300. I don't expect Wills to have a great day running unless the Bills force the Chargers to back off the LOS by completing many passes. The only alternative way for the Bills to win is for our defense to force many turnovers, as they did against KC, and not turn the ball over themselves. Could happen, but don't bet on it. So, do the Bills and Losman and the coaching staff have it in them to produce major yards through the air in this game? They haven't so far this season in any game.

It was great to see the Bills win, but one of the heartening things was to see good play from the younger players. Vincent gets hurt but Rashaad Baker plays well in his place. Crowell continues to improve in place of Takeo. Losman looks like he's getting it. Peters holding his own at right tackle. Adams sits and the run defense at least does not get WORSE, and we even manage to get some heat on the QB. I thin the defense has declined as some players age, but these new guys offer real hope for a rapid return to form. Maybe TD isn't such a bad drafter after all. Of course, it was a home game. Next step: do the same on the road. And stop making bonehead plays every eight minutes or so.

Very. Bad. Idea. Politicians are already too much celebrities. We keep electing face-men because we know them from their roles as the Terminator or Dirty Harry, and politicians are trying hard to imitate TV actors and movie stars. Until the U.S. public can remember once again the difference between sports, movies and governing, we will be ripe for any PR campaign some political consultant dreams up. A city is not a football team, or a movie, or a TV show.

Hilarious and surreal

I stand corrected.

Hey, JDG--I think you slipped up here. Peerless Price was not drafted in 1999 by Butler. He was drafted by Donohoe a couple of years later. Do you mean Pierson Priealou? (sp?)

Too much whining and bitching going on here. Who needs that?

I've generally been a TD supporter. His getting these players was reasonable when he got them, and they've played well until now. But I also say most of them have to go now. I don't see that as incompatible with saying TD has generally made good decisions.

I think you've got a point here. Most players past 30 are going to decline rapidly, and that may explain much of the disasterous slide of the defense. I don't think I'd bench all of these guys, but it might be time to take our lumps with a youth movement.

Problems with your scenario: If the Bills blitz heavy the way they did against the Raiders, the Patriots will destroy them. Brady is much better at getting rid of the ball and finding the open man than Collins is, and the Bills' run defense will suffer because they are hell bent on getting pressure on the QB. A blitz-heavy Bills defensive strategy means big running and passing plays by the Pats, putting the Bills in a hole early, which will force them to pass more, which will cause the Pats defense to tee off on Holcomb and result in a complete and utter blowout. I can go with the rest of your strategy, and even then the chances of a win are slim, but the Bills' D needs to stay at home, stop the run, and forget about putting heat on Brady because it ain't gonna happen.