DanInUticaTampa

Bowers is looking like a stud in this game (this is the first time I actually seen a full clemson game all season). I would love to have this guy in a bills uniform. I am one of those people that say you should win no matter what and not lose just to get a higher draft pick.... but man, I am starting to hope the bills lose sunday just to have a chance at some of these players.... fairly, bowers, and of course luck look just look like players that can supercharge this team. I would love it if luck came out (even if we can't get him) just to push bowers and fairly down enough so we can draft one of them. I am really really hoping we score big on our 1st rounder this time.

agreed on all points.

I think it could. Having two high 4th rounders is a pretty sweet thing. It also makes us more mobile if we want to move around. Either way, a high 4th rounder is a fairly high pick. This is going to be a very important draft for them with the draft slot we are getting. I am hoping they get a lot right this time.

Won't the h2h count with us and Cincy or is that not worked into the draft slot?

I think that it is ridiculous that there isn't a middle ground. It is either black or white? No grey? If you say so.... I guess we have to agree to disagree. But I see nothing wrong with people enouraging others to be more civil. It won't wipe out the "idiocy" but it would probably encourage others to actually try to talk football. Enjoy your crusade of telling people not to enourage being civil, I guess. Those posters are a menace to society and need to be silenced for encouraging such behavior as being civil. Just Sinful.

More like if you want to call people "crybabies" that simply ask for people to be more civil, then I am suggesting you take your own advice. If you don't get what I am implying, I guess I will spell it out for you: If you think the ignore button is such a wonderful feature that can change things, why don't you use it yourself so you don't have to read the "crybaby" posters' posts instead of reading them, then complaining about them?

That is a sad sad, and very untrue statement. There are a lot of good posters here that are neither "meanies" or idiots. But i guess it is nice that you stick up for the people that flood the internet with crap. Someone calls the idiots out on crap, and you defend those idiots "it is the internet, deal with it " Well, guess what. It is the internet. You don't like people calling out other posters for being idiots, hit the ignore button. Deal with it

Yeah, it isn't like there isn't a middle ground where we can say what we want, but actually treat people decently. Thank the lord for the ignore button. Now I can read through threads with half the posts being blank. That will sure look purdy when I read through the few posts that are actually good. and then when a good poster disappears because of those blank posts I cannot see, I won't understand why they left. And then pretty soon, all that will be left is blank posts because all the good posters are just fed up with the trash and just leave. Yeah, lori, JW, TG...... the ignore button might filter out the crap, but it isn't going to keep the good stuff. People that think the "ignore" button is going to fix the problems, then that just aint true. A lot of good posters on this board... it sucks that their thoughts and words get burried by repetative crap only meant to get attention or rile other people up. And worse, push other people away. People should be encouraged to be civil. It is fine to joke around, but when it turns to namecalling, lies, attention screamers, and people who are just confrontational just looking for a fight, and only a fight, it is just too much. If you are ok with that, then you can enjoy it when all the good posters are gone and all that is left is the bad ones. Glad WVU started a good topic, and ended it when nonsense took it waaaaaaaay off topic. That stuff should be stopped when it ruins why this site is here, to talk about football. Not about what people are like after 60. Football football football.

so many of his yards came from rushing. Wait until teams just stack the box to stop him forcing him to throw.

Gruden is an above average coach, but Gailey seems to be much better, even without the rings. Everyone thinks gruden is a QB guru... he is not. He is far from that. That is his first big issue. The next issue is, he is very polarizing to the players, and this is what REALLY got him fired. Half the players liked him, but the other half HATED him. Argued with him all the time, during practice, during a game, and in the media. It was ridiclulous. The guy can coach up young players, and he can put together a gameplan pretty well, which is more than i can say for a lot of other coaches. And on a side note, gruden didn't bring in a lot of those oakland players. That was al davis with his super control issues. and Tampa looked good pre gruden. But I do like gruden overall. I would take him over jauron, mularky, and williams as an HC for sure. But anyone thinking he is going to win another superbowl has the odds against him.

Fitz or Luck. Not interested in anyone else. But I would prefer Fitz next season and developing luck in the mean time.

I don't see them on the schedule.

He would have been depth and nothing more on this team. This team obviously needs depth at the oline, so it was a mistake to let him go, but it wasn't anything worth crying about. This was nowhere near the mistake of the Green signing.

Unless your name is Kesley. Overall, I like whitner and hope he stays. But if he walks, I won't miss him. I bet when he looks around at other teams, he is going to realize the bills are the best option. I don't know what offer the bills have given him, but i am almost positive the offer would overpay him. I can't imagine many other teams offering much more for his services. He might not like it now, but eventually he will probably settle for the bills.

Here I was thinking it was Nix.

The main knock against newton seems to be that he has only started one year. Otherwise, he in an interesting prospect.

maybe nix didn't read the paper that day! I bet at the time they thought they were going to get the first pick for sure, and it wouldn't have mattered. Now, just dunno what is going to happen in the draft, at all. and on a side note, nix went to scout Luck at stanford just a couple weeks ago, so...... apparently they will take a QB if one falls to them that they think is worth it. And I am pretty convinced the muscial chairs at tight end is a red flag that gailey wants one bad... I expect that position to see a huge change this offseason.

for finding his replacement in the 6th round? Naw.

Wilson actually said that after 5 games during our bye week.

And they lasted a little longer.

Well, the point of asking a question is to get an answer. So the point was he was trying to discover how many people went to the game. Then he made a comment saying he hasn't seen attendence that low since the 80s, which is a pretty big gap. So..... if you don't know the point of his post, then I don't know what to tell ya. But if it helps, if someone asks a question, the point is they are trying to find an answer.

Chan isn't the first coach to miss on trent. I am thinking trent was probably a stud in training camp and practice, but just folded in game time.

Off the top of my head? We got the obvious and most recent, derrick anderson. Had a pro bowl year a couple years ago, now he is an NFL Joke. Bulger, had a probowl year back in.... 07 I think? Where is he now? Is he the future of the rams? I hear they have a great QB. There is this guy losman who had like 20 TDs for the bills one year... pretty respectable for a young QB... next year, he had like 3 TDs and 6 inceptions or something like that.... where is he now? Is he the future of the bills? Just last year, this matt moore guy had 5 good games with the panthers. he has played 5 games this year as well. Is he the future of the panthers? How about that Vince Young? He had a probowl season his rookie year, is he looking like the long term answer in QB for the titans? Alex Smith had a decent season last year, but has struggled to keep his starting job this year. Have you never heard of these guys?

When he has more than one good year, then I will trust the next 8-10 years to him. But with all the QBs that have just one good year and have a huge decline later, it is quite a gamble to assume he is the QB for us for the long haul.

Drafting a rookie does not mean yanking Fitz. Fitz is and should be the starter for the next couple years whether or not we draft a rookie. But if we draft someone high like luck, that does not mean we take fitz out. It means we develop him and let him learn from fitz. A lot of their style is pretty similar. It would be a match made in heaven. People are going to say Luck might turn into a bust.... well so can fitz next year. I bet the QB position would be complety taken care of for sure if we had both of them. Because I can't imagine them both crapping out. Then again, with our curse, who knows. But I have seen too many Qbs have 1 good year and then nothing.... so saying the QB position is set with Fitz makes me nervous. However, Luck is the only one I would take in the first round. Newton and Locker would be better for the 2nd round, but probably won't be there. And I don't want mallet now.