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How We Went To War
molson_golden2002 replied to molson_golden2002's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Ya, ya. My bad, "lines" not "lies." Still, it was an inspector general's report that pointed out--rather softly considering the monumental impact of his lies--Feith's misdeeds. So blame the Democrats instead, right? I'd say that LA person is the one ignoring the truth for love of party, not me. -
How We Went To War
molson_golden2002 replied to molson_golden2002's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
What lies would those be? And don't hide, let's hear them -
Dixie Chicks and Freedom of Speech
molson_golden2002 replied to yall's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Didn't the stations hold CD burning parties or sh-- like that? Not saying its illegal, but I think garbage like that is what the media stories are refering to in the Chicks great comeback. -
And that this interference in Iraq that was killing American soldiers and led stright to the top of the Iranian regime. So the mullahs are killing our boys. The meeting was conducted by high level American military people, I gather. But they wouldn't tell their names. No video or sound recording equipment was allowed in, no cell phones and it was the front page story on the NYTimes, Washington Post, Yahoo, etc. So its front page news but no one went on record with these allegations. Is there something wrong with this picture?
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Dixie Chicks and Freedom of Speech
molson_golden2002 replied to yall's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Now we must be correct on what music is 'good' and 'bad'? -
Dixie Chicks and Freedom of Speech
molson_golden2002 replied to yall's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
The free speech issue aside, these gals deserve all the awards they get. They are great musicians. -
No one gets rich off of government...
molson_golden2002 replied to TPS's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
I think you are just really ignorant and don't understand anything I'm talking about. Sort of like trying to teach a dog to read or something. -
Pelosi's abuse of power continues.
molson_golden2002 replied to erynthered's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Ever see the movie? It's a good flick! -
How We Went To War
molson_golden2002 replied to molson_golden2002's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
1) Iraq isn't going to be a stable anything anytime in the foreseeable future. It's been blown the f--- apart. All the kings horses and all the kings men can't put it back together 2) Iran will have a role, they live there. Its time for diplomacy. The time is really here. We have arrived at the point where we all do have to live together. Its a sad time for warmongers, really. Gen. McArthur was said to have remarked on hearing of the atomic attack on Japan, "Men like me are no obsolete." Maybe 3) Israel a true democracy? Are they not more of a Theocracy/Democracy? Whatever, they will be fine if we stay in Iraq or leave. 4) We are all over that f---ing region. 5) A war with Iran would be a huge disaster for the world, and I fear we are heading in that direction. I hope not -
No one gets rich off of government...
molson_golden2002 replied to TPS's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Most of it. You missed my point. All I was saying was that tax increases and cuts of this size don't have the giant impact on the economy the politicians make out. It's just spin. But do remember why the "information age" was made possible. It was the government using tax payers dollars that pushed this thing, provided research dollars and built the infrastructure. So government investmentr created the information age and allowed for an economic boom. -
Humanitarian Disaster
molson_golden2002 replied to molson_golden2002's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
I'd like to think it's the Iraqis mess to clean up their own country with the help of their neighbors, but I know better. The place is broken beyond our ability to fix. The middle class has fled, there is civil war on top of tribal war on top on top of revenge killings everywhere. It's like Haiti where the UN is fighting battles against street gangs today. We tried fixing that sh-- hole for 20 years but it didn't work. Wasting 8 billion dollars a month and 100 lives isn't going to fix anything. Throwing good money after bad -
No one gets rich off of government...
molson_golden2002 replied to TPS's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
I take it you are not much up on history? I have studied a lot on the Erie Canal so it just came to mind quickly, and it says a lot about you that you would laugh at that example. Ok, how about the space program that helped with so many technological advances that were passed onto private industry? That better? The tax cuts? The tax cuts were accompained by spending increases that were also pumped into the economy. It was borrowed and then spent, it put money in people's hands, too. That could spurred the economy, too. It had to go someplace. But really, the economy would have rolled on anyway, just like it did after Clinton's tax increase which saw the economy expand enormously. -
There is a reason 76% of Americans thought Saddam did 9-11 Feith Takes the Fall Friday, Feb. 09, 2007 By MARK THOMPSON/WASHINGTON For a person most Americans have never heard of, Doug Feith has been called terrible names by very important people. In Plan of Attack, Bob Woodward quotes General Tommy Franks — appalled at the quality of intelligence about Iraq — railing that Feith, then the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, was "the f---king stupidest guy on the face of the earth." Today, there was another bad review. Feith got publicly slapped by the Defense Department's inspector general for developing pro-war intelligence on Iraq — outside of official channels — that now seems plainly wrong. The IG concludes that Feith's office, on a free-lance basis, made claims "that were inconsistent with the consensus of the intelligence community." The report said that Feith's shop exaggerated the purported links between Saddam Hussein's government and al Qaeda. "That was the argument that was used to make the sale to the American people about the need to go to war," said Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the armed services committee. He said the Feith's work, "which was wrong, which was distorted, which was inappropriate ... is something which is highly disturbing." Feith may have been one of the Bush Administration's most fervent supporters of war with Iraq but, in truth, he was only a bit player. Indeed, he is the third bit player in the Iraq fiasco to be paying for the sins of his superiors recently. For a couple of weeks now, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby has been in the dock in federal court in Washington, trying desperately to keep his one-time boss, Vice President Dick Cheney, from being stained by the responsibility for Libby's chats with reporters and government officials about Valerie Plame's CIA job. Then, just yesterday, Army General George Casey was raked over the coals by Senators who didn't think his past 30 months in command of U.S. ground forces in Iraq warrants his elevation to Army chief of staff. While he did get the promotion, the Senate vote of 83-to-14 was the poorest showing for an Army chief since Vietnam. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said Casey should be held accountable for giving Congress too-rosy assessments of the war as the situation there spiraled downward into chaos. "I have questioned in the past and question today a number of decisions and judgments that Gen. Casey has made in the past two and a half years," McCain said. "During that time, conditions in Iraq have gotten remarkably and progressively worse." This trio of woes seems to have a common thread: Underlings snared while trying to please their bosses. It's almost like blaming the hammer instead of the carpenter for a bent nail. Speaking to the Associated Press, Feith took umbrage at descriptions that his work was "inappropriate." Said he: "The policy office has been smeared for years by allegations that its pre-Iraq-war work was somehow 'unlawful' or 'unauthorized.'" He has a point: it was the Bush administration that chose Feith's reports over those generated by its $1 billion-a-week intelligence operation. Feith's work was most certainly authorized — from the very top. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,...1587982,00.html
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Humanitarian Disaster
molson_golden2002 replied to molson_golden2002's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
PS, do you know why they ended up in Jordan in the first place? -
Humanitarian Disaster
molson_golden2002 replied to molson_golden2002's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
I do not think that is right, but if it is I'll admit I'm wrong. I was under the impression that it only advocated what UN resolution 242 called for. The 'right of return' is a very important issue,too. The Pals were forced off their land by terror at times and think they should be able to return. I see there point. I also see Isreal's point, they stole the land fair and square and want to keep a mostly Jewish state. -
Humanitarian Disaster
molson_golden2002 replied to molson_golden2002's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Nice DC Idiot! Real nice! So Bush kicks over the bee hive and you blame the Democrats for not wanting to stay and put each bee back in the hive. Iraq is broken beyond repair, we should follow the Baker report and work with the people who have to live in that area to make this all as painless as possible. Yes, its time to start with diplomacy -
Humanitarian Disaster
molson_golden2002 replied to molson_golden2002's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
1) Exactly the point, at least Saddam knew how to keep order there. Not excusing their society or leaders, but we should have left that bee hive alone and not walked up and kicked. "You are now liberated!" 2) You don't know what you are talking about. Saudi Arabia came up with a serious plan, but the "Greater Isreal" crowd--you know, the people who think God wants Isreal to own the whole damn place to hell with the millions already living there--rejected it. Your Madras point is well taken though 3) When you create a power vaccum you shouldn't get blamed? -
No one gets rich off of government...
molson_golden2002 replied to TPS's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
It also allows the government to stimulate private sector employment. Erie Canal was built with taxes, it created so many jobs for so many years that it was easily one of the best investments ever made, private or public. Police, justice system, education, regulatory agencies etc. all make it possible for capitalism to florish. If the left has overemphasized government's role[and many have], this board is proof that the right can't see the forest for the trees, in that government is supremely necessary to keep society afloat and moving forward. -
Got my ass whipped because the only way you could answer my argument is by saying I'm an idiot? Real great "intellectual capacity" there! LOL. Get that from a GAO report? But hey, at least you got two retards to clap and smile over your 'translation.'
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Humanitarian Disaster
molson_golden2002 replied to molson_golden2002's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
1) Ya, the US invasion has nothing to do with them leaving. No sir, nope, not at all 2) Yes, I saw that Saudi Arabia is making a positive step in the region. Now if only Israel would agree to the Saudi Peace place which calls for a withdrawl from the occupied territories. Remember the last time Jews were pulled out of "Greater Israel" by Israeli troops? What a joke! 3) Can't believe no one blamed the media! -
No one gets rich off of government...
molson_golden2002 replied to TPS's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
LOL, you of all people complaining about not answering questions? Mr. Non-partisan partisan. So do you think that that taxes have no positive impact on the economy? Are you really that thick? -
Yawn, I'd write a long reply here, but I'm too busy reading Congressional Budget Office Reports
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No one gets rich off of government...
molson_golden2002 replied to TPS's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
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These are the people Bush says owe us a 'debt of graditude'? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6339835.stm The flow of people being forced to leave their homes by violence in Iraq has become a humanitarian disaster, the United Nations refugee chief has said. Antonio Guterres said there were almost four million displaced people inside Iraq or in neighbouring countries. He said the international community had been "overwhelmed" by the problem, and needed to do much more to help. About 1.8 million have left their homes within Iraq, with two million in Syria, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey and Iran. According to figures collated by the UN refugee agency, UNHCR, some 640,000 out of Iraq's population of 26 million fled their homes in the past year. Speaking in Amman, Jordan, Mr Guterres, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, praised Jordan and Syria for accepting large numbers of Iraqis. See map showing Iraqi migration "The sacrifices made by these countries are remarkable and the international community needs to assume full responsibility in supporting them," he said. "They are having huge strains in their infrastructure... we need to help them cope with this massive challenge." Many refugees live in conditions of acute poverty: in Syria, almost a third of Iraqi refugee children do not go to school. "When you have almost four million people displaced inside the country or in countries around... we are facing a humanitarian disaster," he said. "This is the biggest movement of displaced people in the Middle East since the Palestinian crisis in 1948," Mr Guterres said, referring to the movement of Palestinians after the establishment of Israel. Mr Guterres' comments come after aid agencies voiced their concerns about the situation earlier this year. The UNHCR has also appealed for $60m (£30.8m, 45m euros) in emergency aid, and plans to hold a donor conference in Geneva in April.
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1) Wrong, because as happened in the late 1920's when the rich had too much money and the rest of everyone else has too little there was no buying power in the economy. Result: Depression caused by lack of consumer buying power. So you are totally wrong. As I said before 2/3 of our economy is consumer driven. The rich can only spend so much. You want to stop redistribtion of wealth which is happening now and has helped create the largest best economy in the world. You guys are fools. All government taxes simply end up in the hands of private citizens anyway. You think the government destroys the money or something? Gees! 2) No, I don't believe you. I believe you read somewhere that someone wrote they saw a study that said that, maybe a World Net Daily article or something, but you didn't read the GAO study. Yes, I'm calling you a liar. Prove me wrong and I'll admit I'm wrong, but I think you are full of sh-- 3) See, you are assuming again. Making an a..., you know. I have never said I hate big business. That's what WND or whatever you read--GOA reports LOL LOL!!--tells you to think. No, government is not the saviour, but it is an overall positive to us. Laissez-Faire is a recipe for disaster, we already learned that lesson long ago. Lots on money has been spent to convince you and your ilk to forget those lessons, along with many others.