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Pretty much sums up my thoughts.

I think you're exactly right, but let's see if that last part holds up.

How?

Gronk is such an idiot, would never want that dummy representing this team.

Get rid of the franchise and give it to L.A.

I think the jury is out on this crop of OLineman we have. I'll be more interested in our ranking after this season.

Same here. I played collegiate golf and some pro events, and throughout my 13-14 years of playing I had innumerable chances to 'cheat' when no one was looking. Take a favorable drop, better lie, heck, even 'find' a lost ball in the woods or by the OB line. I know many of my playing competitors did these things, but I just wouldn't have been able to live with myself, even though I wasn't that good and no one gave a rat's ass about how I did in that particular event.

The OP's point was that this was the same with Payton, yet he got a full year suspension.

Don't forget a redhot Timmy Connolly was lost to a cheapshot to the head in the Ottawa series.

I'm just curious--do you think the NFL should strive for beyond reasonable doubt to determine rules violations in a sport? Seems extreme, no? I view preponderance of evidence as basically common sense. We know it's likely he did it. To get an ironclad 100% accurate verdict is unreasonable imo

Well the thing is, this is same standard used in civil lawsuits. I mean, OJ Simpson was convicted of murder using these standards! It's simply how it is when it comes to non-criminal proceedings. If it's good enough to convict someone of murder, I think it's good enough to convict a peckerhead like Brady of cheating in the court of law that is the NFL.

Yeah I'm starting to see it this way too. Plus the guy is 38 going on 39. Pretty soon Garrapolo will be their starter anyway, so that will be the Pats at full strength. And Brady cheated and lied. He deserves to be suspended. If he hurts his team it's only his fault. How about the Garrapolo era against the Bills is the opposite of Brady against the Bills. 2-24 or whatever. I'm changing my prediction to 8 and upheld on appeal. He really has no grounds for appeal.

I checked and I guess Hargrove got 8 games, which was eventually reduced to 2. The other players were reduced too on appeal. However, it ended up being a full year out of football for Hargrove who had trouble catching onto a team because of this situation. He is quoted as saying the whole thing "took away my earning power." Ended up out of football for a full year and eventually out of football. So one could say Bountygate sped up the end of his career significantly, all because it was supposedly his voice on a tape (which he denied) and Goodell felt he was lying. As for why he's not pursuing litigation, you may be right. He does have grounds, as the evidence of his voice being the one on tape was hardly conclusive. But Goodell felt the preponderance of evidence had been met. It's easy to say oh Hargrove got 8 and reduced to 2, but it was way worse. He became blacklisted almost, had trouble catching onto a squad, not really given a fair shake, and essentially lost his career. I'd be livid if I were him and Brady gets less than 8 pre-appeal. But like others have said, what does he have to appeal? Hargrove at least had some ground to stand on with asking Goodell how he proved it was his voice on the tape.

There are always leaks. What's your point?

Yeah, this is so frustrating because so many people are getting confused by this phrasing. I wish the Wells report and every media outlet reporting on it put a big disclaimer what that phrasing means and why they use it. I can't tell you how many Pats fans and apologists are holding onto this phrase acting like Wells is just guessing. I'll be so mad if Brady gets less than a year. The Saints thing really set a precedent for what happens when you lie to the NFL and impede their attempt to investigate. If they give him less than a year they're just proving yet again they're incompetent with meting out punishment.

I honestly think they're ready to move on from Brady. He's 38 going on 39. He doesn't have much time left as a 'star' anyway. I think they're going to take advantage of that and hit him hard. They've milked his star power for 15 years now. They can get some great goodwill with the public by giving a proper punishment. I hope the 6-8 rumors aren't true and it's at least 1 year.

I just don't see how his lying and not cooperating deserves less than Anthony Hargrove for Bountygate. Hargrove apparently didn't have any involvement in that other than knowing about it, lying to the NFL, and not cooperating with the investigation. He got a year long suspension, I believe. Why should Brady, as a player on a team that is a repeat offender, not get the same or worse? It should one year

Exactly. What's it matter since he got what he wanted in the end. Strip the SB title from the Pats, and obviously Brady's MVP, fine, loss of a draft pick, and Brady out for the season. Belicheck should also be out for the season like Payton was in NO.

Oh my goodness, for the last time, PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE. That's the standard used here. It literally means if it's at all over a 50% chance he's guilty, then he's GUILTY. A standard is a standard. It was met and then some, I don't anyone can disagree based on this particular standard.

Just so frustrating for the player and the franchise. Jeez the offseason sucks bc of injury risk. I'm nervous all summer. The Kiko injury bummed me out so bad. I couldn't wait to see him in year two--had no idea he'd never wear the Bills uni again

Great post

I feel like people just can't believe that he really is that good, and he's not going to suddenly drop off or be exposed. The comparison to early Brady is a good one. I'm sure his role will increase as they are forced to let go of other weapons due to cap restrictions.

Haha I'd love for this to become his new moniker. Don't ever have to say Tom Brady, just The Grand Cheater

Seems the Hawks believe similarly. They want to pay him "like a more highly skilled version of Andy Dalton."

It's just hard for it not to blow up when the QB performs as hoped and then is finishing that cheap rookie contract.