Kgun5

I see what you mean...Here's the whole rulebook. Rulebook I'm not sure if it's in there, or is "faxed" to each team at the beginning of the year as it "evolves". I'm gonna look through it though.

From nfl.com At the bottom.

The NFL defines them as judgement calls, so they are. I know that's not much of an answer, but they make the rules...

I don't think that's a stupid question...Sure, in this case, there's really no question that a call was missed, but think of "holding". Whether "holding" occurs is a judgement call, and could probably be called on every play. Could you imagine it being reviewable? Also, think of facemask severity...That is also a judgement call. I know what you're saying, and I would listen to arguments for having "blatent" missed penalties be reviewable (if there was a way to do it that could keep it from being abused), but other than clear cut things like illegal touching, it'd be tough to add penalty issues to the mix.

If you want the Bills to make the playoffs, it's pretty clear you don't want the Jets to win.

One is a judgement call, the other isn't...and as for your 2nd question, once a play is reviewed, ALL reviewable aspects of that play are scrutinizable. <--is that a word?

I understand...Everyone has their "favorite" scenario. I just look at the schedules and think that if two of the three teams (DEN, NYJ, BAL) have to lose 2 of 3, then my best chance is BAL and NYJ. Obviously we need the JAX loss to GB as well, but we should know a lot more next week. I think there's still a good (10%-15%) chance that we could get the 5 seed.

Personally, I'm eyeing the "Jets route" around the Denver issue. Any way you slice it, JAX and Balt. MUST not pull upsets this week.

I wouldn't blame you, but I hope you'd be losing that bet.

I suppose that depends on what you get out of sports/being a fan. Some people enjoy the drama of playing and (hopefully) beating the best, at their best. Others, such as myself, enjoy the drama of rooting for my team to advance by any means possible with the added bonus of having interest in more than one game each week. It's just personal preference.

Of course you are correct, Darin.

Color me wrong: Favorites winning

While this is very true, I'd be surprised if teams that were "favored" by Vegas weren't winning at a .750 clip over the years. In fact, that's a good idea for a google search.

Here's the link...Naturally, it's "Early Lines", so they may change by the time the mainstream goes public with theirs. I've used this site for years, and have only seen them really botch one game (they were off by 2 points from the opening "mainstream" line.) Early Lines

I don't care who I root for if it helps the Bills. It's amazing how nonsensical sports fans get over things like rivalries. It's almost a "cut off the nose to spite the face" thing. Or worse, that nut who chose to have his finger amputated instead of having his wedding ring cut off, (which was promptly lost anyway).

I'm surprised too...I would have thought Cinci -1 or -1.5

No, it means the Bills are. Read it as such: The team on the left "minus 3" equals the team on the right.

Buffalo -3 @Cinci Seattle +6 @Jets Jags +3.5 @ Pack Ravens +7.5 @Indy Broncos NL @ Chiefs

OK...What's your point? I would say that there's LESS chance of all 5 happening then not, but there's no reason to assume that there will be any upsets next week. And as an EXAMPLE, I give you this week's results. Where in my post do you see me guaranteeing anything? You, however, said that you "know" all 5 wont happen, and that there's "always" upsets. Anyway, Seattle beating the Jets would be an upset in Vegas terms. So let's hope for that one.

I'll take any 4, as long as one of them is JAX losing.

There weren't any upsets this week, why should there be next week?

divisional, not conference...Let's not get everything confused again...lol

Don't forget, that's only if one of their losses is to NE.

didja READ the thread lawn?

Ehh, I think a team that makes the playoffs deserves to be there, but I understand your point. We need to win out, and that's all there is to it. I just really hope they're rewarded with the playoffs if they manage to pull it off.