JohnC

What is evident about TT is that he throws a nice (touch) ball. He not only is he accurate from a statistical standpoint but his ball placement is excellent, which the receivers certainly appreciate. I don't recall any Buffalo qb other than Kelly who threw such a quality long pass. Even in those type of low percentage passes his ball placement was superb. The area where I am going to closely watch him is to see if he can make the throws to the middle of the field. The majority of his passes last year were towards the sidelines. Last year I thought Roman was masterful in the way he handled TT. No doubt that he was very conservative in the way he called games for him. Without a doubt he is going to open up the playbook and widen the field for him this year.

The attached link is a column by WGR"s Mathew Coller speculating on trade scenarios for Bogosian and others. What I found appetizing is not only that there are so many trade possibilities but we have a GM itching to deal. http://www.wgr550.com/No-move-clause-puts-Bogosian-in-trade-spotlight/22778743

As it stands we are not going to agree on this issue. That's okay. Respectful disagreements are an inescapable part of the landscape. 98% of the posters not only disagree with my position on the Brady/Goodell saga but they ridicule me for it. That's fine. It's like water rolling off of a duck's back I understand your reasoning but simply disagree with it. The reality is that what you and I think is irrelevant. If you recall I pointed out with my early posts that it was more illuminating to watch what the Jets do rather than get sucked into the back and forth dueling by outsiders. From my observation the Jets early on (prior to the conclusion of the season) staked out a position on this issue and for the most part (with room for some flexibility) are holding to their stance. For me that is very telling. You are convinced that if the Jets start Smith it will be a catastrophe for the Jets. Their view is that the difference between Smith and Fitz's performance levels isn't worth giving Fitz a contract that will hinder them in the not too distant future. Or another way of looking at it is that stopgap qbs don't have as much value as you think. I still think a deal will get done but if it does it will be more to the Jets' liking than to Fitz's. Let's just see how this plays out.

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The issue comes down to is how is the deal going to be structured. My position is more aligned with Luxy than it is with you from the total numbers standpoint and annual cap hit. Right from the beginning I have felt that a deal will get struck but it will be structured in such a way that the end product will lean more toward the Jets stance than from Fitz's stance. Where I do disagree with you is that I don't believe the Jets will be as reluctant to go with Smith as their option at qb as you believe if they can't get the kind of deal they want with Fitz. It might not be their preference but for them it would be an acceptable fallback position. If you look at how the Jets have approached this issue it appears that they have not budged much from their position, and haven't made any visible overtures to the other side of the negotiating table. What that indicates to me is that from the beginning they have staked out a position and are willing to go to their fallback position (another starting qb) if they can't get the deal they want with Fitz.

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You are misconstruing my central point in this discussion. Leverage is not the primary issue for me. I simply don't consider Fitz to be a starting caliber qb. It's as simple as that. To me Fitz is an adequate backup caliber of qb. In your first paragraph with qbs and salaries you are using them to make a point of relativity. You are actually making the opposite point of the perils of over-paying relative to performance. In the examples you cite those qbs were able to garner rich contracts based on potential. That is not the case with Fitz. He has been in the league for around a decade. He is what he is, and he is what he will forever be: an adequate backup talent. The teams you cited took calculated risks and made projections on their qbs. That is not the case in NY. If Fitz wants to sit out then so be it. That's his prerogative. Are the Jets acting like they are being held hostage? Have the Jets budged from their stance? Again, I'm sure you are tired of me repeating myself but the stats that Fitz earned last year represent little to me and apparently to the Jets because they are not using those numbers as a baseline for a qb who has been wretchedly mediocre for a decade. His body of work speaks for itself. Why do you think he has been a vagabond qb? The Jets have made a decision on how they value Fitz and they are holding to it. They are negotiating with him or posturing. There position is established and they are not wavering. You keep insisting that if they maintain their position their actions will be self-defeating. They don't see it that way. I understand their position and I agree with it. It's not about what I think it is about what the Jets think and are doing. Their behavior is a testament to how they view this pedestrian qb.

The island I am inhabiting is the same island that the Jets are on. What the Jets are demonstrating is that when you own the island you establish the rent. If the customer is not satisfied then he has the right to pursue his other options. In this case there are no other options because the doors are firmly closed from the rest of the community. Not only is there no interest from the rest of the market but everyone knows it. So Fitz and his agent can't even fake that there is an interest in him. . Fitz is not a $12M qb and never will be!. He being paid that amount of money is an absurdity. Even country Buddy understood the relationship between value to talent. When he had Fitz under contract he wanted some of his money back as a condition of keeping him on the roster.

You are living in your own fictitious bubble of reality and expect everyone else to react as if they are also in the same bubble. It's time for you to wake up and start thinking as if you are awake. It's difficult to be alert when you are still slumbering. The circumstance that the Jets are in certainly dictate Fitz's worth. That's the point that you and others are missing. They have a qb that no other team is interested in and whose talent level is second rate. He is from a talent standpoint a career backup talent. He is as pedestrian as you can get. Now you are exhorting a cap stretched team to pay him at what he is not worth and would result in them jettisoning talented players on their roster to accommodate a middling qb. And you have the audacity to accuse others of being irrational! I have repeatedly made the point that you and others refuse to acknowledge that the stats that Fitz garnered last year doesn't represent his standard. It is an aberration. Yet you and others continue to use those non-representative stats as your baseline for negotiation. I'm not falling into that glaring trap, and neither are the Jets. The Jets have known since they acquired Fitz that after the season his contract was up. They are not acting without forethought and they are not acting out of impulse. They made a calculation that included his talent level and his value on the market (zero) and placed a value on him. You may deem the offer as being unfair but the Jets apparently don't. That's what counts. If you can't handle the unsentimental world of the pro business then turn off the alarm clock and go back to snoozing and let the real world pass you by.

Circumstances differ for every team and change every year. When Osweiller had an offer in the $18-19M per year range Elway told him Adios Amigo. I agree with you that Denver paid a lot of money to Peyton for inferior play. But their circumstance dictated to the organization that it was worth riding that lame horse for this one last time. How can anyone say they used bad judgment when the outcome was winning a SB? What the Broncos weren't going to do is to continue paying a premium price for an inferior product. Most often the right decision isn't the easy decision. You make a judgment and then you act on it. From all appearances the Jets don't seem to be wavering on their judgment. I understand their stance and agree with it.

Absolutely! Fitz is not a $12M qb. What's going on in New York is simply the business model of the sport playing out, as it does for every team. No team is immune from making tough contract decisions (this is not a tough contract decision) that result in losing good players. Smart organizations prepare for the inevitability of losing good players and finding adequate replacements.

He is not a fit for most teams because of his limited skill set. Denver is in a precarious position with their qb situation. Yet, they don't seem to have an interest in him. If they did I'm confident their contract offer would be less than the Jet offer. The reality of the situation is that no team is interested in Fitz and the team he is currently associated with is not afraid of losing him if they can't get him at their established price.

It doesn't matter how we value him. What counts is how the Jets value him. They have demonstrated their assessment of him through their contract offer. What more needs to be said? People act as if the Jets haven't thought this issue through. Nothing is further from the truth. For all organizations the issue of who your starting qb is going to be and the salary that he is going to draw are priority decisions. The Jets have made a judgment and so far they are adhering to it. Do you really believe that if they thought that Fitz was a legitimate starting qb that they would be so rigid in their stance? Fitz is an adequate backup qb at best. The offer the Jets have made is more than fair. Let's get real here---even Nix told him to take a hike when he wasn't willing to take a pay cut. What does that tell you about his value????>

I'm sure that you are aware that the Jets have staked out a position predicated on their assessment of a qb that they are not too enthralled with as demonstrated by the scale of the offer they are making to their Harvard educated qb. As it stands is the Jets are not involved in any negotiations. They have not budged from their offer. You act as if the Jets should be worried about losing a qb that no other team is interested in. By their actions they are not too concerned about the possibility of losing him. What you consider to be my inane responses are the same responses that the Jets are making. WEO, you may think you are the authority on this issue but unsurprisingly the actual authority is not buying what you are selling. The bottom line is that the price tage for mediocrity is not too high. Even the stolid Buddy Nix understood that basic concerpt. That is a basic concept that you have trouble grasping. Try harder, I'm sure you can figure this relatively simple issue out. If you can't let me simply it for you: It is the relationship of talent to payment.

He has backup talent and should be paid accordingly.

Fitz has been in the league for about a decade. What you consider to be his standard (baseline) I consider to be an aberration. That is how the Jet front office is looking at it. Go back and watch Fitz's performance in Buffalo that knocked his team out of the playoffs. Fitz played like the Fitz that we are all acquainted with. That was the last impression that the Jets' brain trust had of Fitz. After seeing that dispiriting game the offer that was given to Fitz was more than generous.

I respectfully but strenuously disagree with you. The mistake that you and many others are making in reviewing this matter is that you are too stuck on his stats from last year, which admittedly are respectable. But that is not how I see it. I'm looking at his career numbers and performances and consider those less than impressive numbers more representative of his middling talent level. The Kaepernick, Bradford or Foles comparison are illustrative. They are all examples of qbs who are over-paid relative to productivity. What each has in common is that they have under performed after receiving excessive contracts. That is what the Jets want to avoid! There is a reason why Fitz has played for a half dozen teams and was constantly on the move. I can assure you it was not because he was coveted by any of the teams he played for. Fitz is an acceptable backup who happened to start. The Jets and the rest of the league recognize that reality. The Jets are not only being more than reasonable with their contract offer to him but they are being smart about it. As I have said before to you don't overly concern yourself with what my entrenched position is on this matter. Observe what the Jets are doing and how they are responding. That is a good indication of how much they value him as a player. Apparently it isn't too high. For a qb with only backup talent that no other team is interested in it certainly is reasonable.

You are over-analyzing the situation. Being a serviceable qb is a fair description of him. He has been on the move from franchise to franchise not because he is coveted but because he is not so coveted. The value and cost for mediocrity has a low ceiling. As far as I am concerned the Jets have been more than fair (if not too generous) with their offer. Fitz is an economics major from Harvard. The market has spoken with its silence. Eventually this very smart person will figure out what his actual worth is. The Jets are doing him a favor with their offer. If he doesn't understand that reality he will soon be in a less physical field of endeavor.

The Bills did play the odds with Lawson. They not only thoroughly examined Lawson they consulted with their medical staff. What more could they have done? Ultimately they made a judgment based on the information they had. I'm not trying to be impolite but I don't understand your position. You are acting as if the organization simply made a gut decision when that was far from the case. If how they handled this case doesn't exemplify the concept of doing your do diligence then I don't know what does.

The Jets are not budging from their position. Fitz so far has no interest from the market. What does that tell you? Mediocrity is not a high priced commodity.

A point that isn't acknowledged by those who are uncomfortable with the Lawson selection is that everyone was aware of his medical history prior to the draft. So teams had an ample opportunity to consult with their medical staff regarding the long term prognosis. My understanding is that the procedure that he eventually would have to undergo was likely to correct his shoulder problem. Overall, this wasn't much of a medical risk as people are making it out to be. The bottom line is that it is not unreasonable to take a calculated risk for a talented player. If you find it crippling to take a well researched risk in a business that risks are part of the environment then it is recommended that you find another field of endeavor. If Lawson with an impaired shoulder played well enough to be a highly regarded college player then how high does he project as a prospect playing with a healthy shoulder? Just something to consider.

The attached link is a WGR interview with Joe Caporoso who reports on the Jets. This is a 12 minute segment with the first half talking about Rex and his NY experience. It is not a positive view on his prospects with us. The second half of the interview deals with the Fitz situation in NY. His portrayal is consistent with my take on this issue. http://media.wgr550.com/a/115548558/joe-caporoso-of-turn-on-the-jets-talkhtm s-fitz-rex.

How does it indicate incompetence? The organization (as did every team in the NFL) was aware of his shoulder problem and the probable need to address it through surgery some time in the future. It just so happened that during an OTA session he felt pain in the shoulder area so the team decided to structurally fix the problem sooner rather than later. That was the smart thing to do. The team drafted a player who they rated very highly. The exhibition of incompetence would have been for the team tobypass on a player who was a versatile lineman who fit their scheme because there was a delay in him getting on the field in his inaugural year. Any GM in the league who refused to select a more talented player for a less talented player because of a delay in getting on the field in the player's rookie year should be fired for incompetence and a lack of perspective. The GM, more than anyone else in the organization, has to take a wider perspective in roster building. To do otherwise is an act of short term expediency and an act lacking in wisdom.

Your response is perplexing. If you are offering me a bowl of cherries that doesn't mean that I have to eat all the cherries. I'll select the cherries I want to select and decline the cherries I don't want to eat. Nothing odd or rude about that. Your basic point is that because Nix hasn't always exhibited good judgment on many matters that it is invalid for me to accept his judgment on this particular Fitz matter. That is a perplexing position to take. There is nothing odd about Nix's view that Fitz was a mediocre qb who needed to take a pay cut in order to have a better balance between pay and performance. The less than enthusiastic view that Nix had on Fitz is the same view that every team in the league had on him, including the numerous teams he played for. I'm certainly not going to criticize the stolid GM for making a common sense judgment that was obvious to all. . The cap hit that Nix took is a miniscule matter for me. You are magnifying a point that is very insignificant that borders on irrelevancy. Don't be so fixated on such a triviality. Without a doubt I didn't like Nix/Whaley's management of the qb position. It lacked urgency. The priority for him and Whaley from the start should have been to more aggressively address that position. One of the primary reasons the Bills have been a second-rate organization is that they haven't adequately staffed that position. However, just because Nix failed in that critical endeavor and in many other issues doesn't mean that his judgment on Fitz should be disqualified. That makes absolutely no sense to me. Being wrong on many issues doesn't mean that you are wrong on all issues, and especially on this particular issue regarding a mediocre qb.. Where I respectfully but strenuously disagree with you and others is that you are using Fitz's last year's stats as a reference point. Or another way of saying this is you are cherry-picking stats that don't reflect his unimpressive of body of work for a half dozen teams he played for. You are indicting me for cherry-picking data when you are doing it an a felonious level. I acknowledge that Fitz had a good statistical year last year. However, the mistake you and others are making is that you are using it for the basis for for his contract stance. What you refuse to do is to broaden the range of stats that convincingly demonstrate over his long career the caliber of qb that Fitz actually is. Sometimes considering the option it is better to be forgotten.

Craig Button is a former GM and a scout I have a high regard for. He was on WGR talking about prospects. He is not as high on Chychrun as others are. The links below include his rankings and his WGR appearance. When discussing defensemen on WGR he has some very interesting thoughts. He's very high on Sergavhev. The two defensemen that Button is high on is Sergachev and Juolevi. http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-matthews-no-1-because-position-matters-1.503562 http://media.wgr550.com/a/115527098/tsn-s-craig-button-talks-nhl-draft.htm