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You know what - I liked Hargrove a lot. He seemed to give a damn on the field. But keeping him around would have been a bad idea. He seemed to know he screwed up and wanted to change and yet in spite of that he still found trouble. That's just a bad sign. He needs therapy and help before he signs with *anybody*. I concur with the observations of another post here that the Big Easy is just the worst place for him. C

And we won... Since then we have had plays that were designed and our team has not been able to pull it's collective head out of it's arse and we've been in the doldrums...

Let's for a moment assume all you say is true - including the F him in the ass bit - to each his own... But the truth remains that we were a better team *on the field* with him as opposed to the other guy. I Don't hate RJ - but at that time and place - in terms of production Flutie was the much better option.

Was there too...One of my best days as a Bills fan...

Compared to whom? RJ, Todd Collins, Or better yet - Losman, and a sorry run of successors...? It's not like we had the second coming of Jim Kelly after that - come on now. I'm not sure what his locker room presence was - but on the field there was excitement and the team always felt like they had a shot...Plus by Wilson's own admission - he saved the franchise... C

Well, it feels like a rumor. But some pretty reliable news outlets are carrying it like cnn.com and some of their top writers are reporting that the Bills have interest. I'm trusting the franchise to use better judgment. But at the same time, I have to think there's a teeny fire somewhere for someone to think the Bills would even consider this. I can't imagine this would even be considered during the Levy/Polian/Butler years. And for the record, I don't get joy out of trashing the Bills. But you have to wonder about some of the more recent decisions.

How f-d up of a franchise do you have to be to pass on Cutler and pursue Vick. I mean really does our legacy mean nothing. I know all this is rumor now. But seriously this will just prove how far this franchise has fallen. Everyone should have a shot at redemption. But he can redeem himself outside the NFL. This is a privilege. The guy can make amends first and then we'll discuss it.

Looking at the report, it seems this is very definitely mistaken identity. After the dust clears, I'd sue and ask for a retraction.

in other news Chris Mortensen predicts the Bills will go 0-20 and be relegated to Div 3 college ball. Is heard saying, "Never would have happened under Donahoe..."

for the record, I'm with Moulds. But also for the record, I love Jauron - as a father figure, mentor, friend. I'd invite him to my kid's birthday. But he has no business head coaching the Bills. Or anyone else for that matter. He is constantly outwitted in the football IQ dept. And that to me is surprising considering how booksmart he is. He doesn't make the right decisions under pressure. He either overdelegates or can't hold people accountable. A coach IMHO needs to be a benevolent dictator when he is trying to build something. It's different when when you're coaching an established team of vets. You can take your foot off the gas pedal a bit. But when it's a young team - you have to hold them accountable. In my opinion he is a Gawd awful coach and a great human being. Sometimes those two things go together. C

Sounds like we have NFL Substance Abuse policy sanctions on the horizon...

man, remember Roosevelt Colvin...Wow...how far the mighty have fallen.

I think the greats know who they'll be working for in Buffalo.

I still can't believe we took him with the first pick under Donahoe.

I'm all for the No Huddle. I just hope Edwards is ready for it. Kelly was a master of reading defenses and knowing what to call. Albeit pass happy plays. But he was also aggressive. It's pointless to go No Huddle and then just check down. All you're doing then is using up clock - fast- for non productive series'. Edwards struggled with reading Ds last year - particularly the 3-4 s in our Div. Hopefully he'll get there. But I also think the ability to run the no-hudd is predicated by attitude. Thus far I haven't seen that attitude from Edwards. He likes to play it safe. Which is fine. But not the ideal mentality for this "wrinkle."

For the right price, I'd bring him to camp - after he has recuperated.

I think Leo makes some valid points. I don't understand why our Bills love to take a player, change his position and then wonder why he doesn't flash the same ability that made him their pick. That being said, I think Leo would agree he's no more an expert on the draft than any of us. I've not been a fan of the FO this off season primarily with the retention of Jauron. Also the reluctance to spend money to get top notch talent. But this draft makes me think that maybe Russ Brandon is on the right track. They picked real football players at least until rounds 5-7. I don't know about you guys but this draft seemed kinda bipolar to me. Until we picked Nic Harris, I thought this was an old school Polian/Butler/Smith/Adams style draft. Makes me wonder if that was the Brandon/Nix influence. And then beginning with Harris it seemed like it was back to the "why the hell did they pick that guy" draft of the last few years. Maybe they were then throwing a bone to the coaches, particularly "I haven't met a DB I didn't like" Jauron. Based on what happened right after we kept Jauron (per Ralph's quotes), it makes me think Brandon is not a great Jauron supporter and that this draft is the new foundation of a rebuilding process. I have a strong feeling, we are gonna suck pretty bad this year. Jauron will then be gone and Brandon is gonna get in Ralphie's ear to bring in the best available coach. I hope that's Cowher. But it will probably be someone along the lines of a Mariucci or something. Though Mooch and Jauron are good friends. I also hope he kicks Guy's ass to the curb. Anyways, I still think the ship is gonna sink. But at least the captain knows it is. There's something to be said for that. C

He hasn't been healthy...

What he said. King has a great, conversational writing style. But he can't read tea leaves to save his life. Mike Mayock is the man in that dept, C

I'm with you. There are enough TEs to wait for. Pettigrew is good but our O as much WCO as there is in it, we don't prioritize TE catching passes. Now we have Evans and piTO. So to expand a pick for TE that early, would just drive me nuts. We need a pass rusher who can get to the QB or make the opp. offense one dimensional. I think we have a chance to get somebody really, really good on the line with the #11 pick. I'm not even convinced we need a OL pick in the 1st round, but won't be upset if they did pick an OL player. But with some of the others here, I prepared for this brain trust to overreach for a cruddy player with the 11 and/or 28th pick or worse trade down when a game changer is there for the taking due to "economics of a small market team." C

I don't think ATL overpaid. I think if we had given them a 2nd we would have then overpaid. We still have too many pieces missing to make a run at the playoffs. Especially in the coaching dept. So I'd rather we built a team that can grow together. But having said that, our 3rd would have been a fair trade.

Yeah, in fantasy land. I'd take Hines Ward, Larry Fitzgerald, possibly Wes Welker and maybe even Randy Moss over him. Thank you very much.

I don't know - those who don't understand history are condemned to repeat it. Look, I know that Peters wasn't the brightest bulb. In fact I'm shocked at how well of an OL player he has become given his purported intelligence. But he was a model player (did what he was asked by the team without complaint) until we overpayed for two middlin' OL players. Well hell, I would have been mad too. Contract or no contract. He deserved a "market adjustment" given the context. Now, what do you do if you are the Bills? You find a way to make the situation work. True the guy behaved like a spoiled pre-schooler who took his ball and went home. But players like that don't grow on trees. Let's face it, we lucked out to find him in FA post draft. As Parcells used to say, "I'm not interested in being fair. I'm interested in being right" IF and that's a big IF - they didn't think they could make the situation work financially, we should have gotten fair market value or better in the trade. The whole headache/drama argument just doesn't hold water. We just signed the biggest headache/drama nut case because we wanted to win. Or so we are led to believe. You telling me they couldn't put up with Peters for the same reason? Either way the FO screwed up. We can all "move on" when we know or trust that management will do better. Until then it's a debate/discussion/dialogue worth having. Our loyalty to this pathetic team has at least earned us *that* right. C

To the contrary, we know that Detroit and the Giants were interested. We also know that a 1st and 3rd were in play. We just don't know why our FO chose to have 1,4 and a conditional in 2010. That conditional had better be a 4/5 or better for what we gave up. I'm way past "trusting" this FO. C

Naw, not him - he only coached Munoz and turned an athletic TE in FA into a good to excellent LT. That and except for that loser Williams we didn't draft one OL in the first three rounds of the draft while he was here. So he hasn't exactly had the best talent to work with. He also coached a well heeled Giants OL before he left NY. Naw, not him. He's a total bum. He doesn't know anything about OL play at all. (Sarcasm button off) Be it known here, that no matter how irrational or illogical it seems the moves of our FO are, if you disagree you are a total bum...