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The guy lost all credibility with me on this:
"the Bills responded with what should have been a winning, confidence-soaring drive: 14 plays, 62 yards and a touchdown that pushed the lead to what should have been an insurmountable 24-13 advantage with 5:32 remaining. The Patriots had no answer for Buffalo's offense, which went no-huddle three times on that drive."
I'm thinking we went no huddle 14 times on that drive.
Saying that a winner would have the best return man in football take a knee is just plain silly. Sounds good now sure since we know he fumbled.
There is some truth is what he says though. Sometimes it seems like we're stuck on the brink of being good. 2 years ago we almost and should have beaten Dallas. Similar losses last year to Jets, Whiners, Clowns. So far we're starting this season the same way. But there were a lot of bright spots and we have the talent. If we can only it together and win some of these close games we could make the playoffs.
A good way to start would be to forget the prevent in the last 2:00 of a game.
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TO's right. I hope Trent and Alex and Dick are listening. I'm sure Hamdan is.
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Bump, just so you guys can get a look at this...
I didn't watch the vid but I know what you are saying. It's not that hard to spring a guy loose if you design a play for that purpose and the QB knows to throw it to him ahead of time without going through "reads". I hope you're right and Alex studies this and puts some of these into practice. The pick play to TO would be awesome and gain us a lot of yards.
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I'm willing to bet we'll be seeing Roscoe back there sooner than later if this keeps up...
During the commercial timeout after the TD and Extra 2 Point conversion failure, I told my wife and daughter that we should put Roscoe back there since Leodis fumbled the previous one! If only they had listened. Of course Roscoe might have fumbled too.
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Saying that Leodis should have downed it in the EZ is the ultimate in Tuesday Morning QBing. I want a guy returning kicks who is the best in the league to run it out! If he breaks it, game over! I don't know about you, but a 4 point lead with 2:06 to go against Tom Brady makes me very nervous. I've seen him come back from further with less time. I certainly don't want to give them another time out (2:00 warning). We may be able to get a first down maybe not. If he hadn't fumbled would the wiseness or lack thereof of running it out even come up for discussion around here? I think not.
You go Leodis.
We'll get 'em next time.
Go BILLS !!
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If he's that freakin' fast, why can't we just send him on a post and let him outrun double coverage and safties underneath blah blah blah? Sometimes if the defense isn't giving you something, you just gotta take it anyway!
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Trent played well. He didn't play great. And we lost the only stat that counts, points. Trent played a good Dick Jauron style game of playing it safe, don't make any mistakes, protet the football, the team that makes the fewest mistakes wins game. Problem was both teams made the same amount of mistakes. Their QB was able to make the big plays when they counted. Ours was able to at times but not when we really needed it on that last drive.
Great QBs make things happen and come through big in crunch time. Trent has at times, but not consistently.
Last night's game was promising, but it was more of the same. I didn't see a lot of progression in regards to making things happen when we needed it and throwing down field. Although that run for a first down smacked of making something happen.
I like your enthusiasm though and also believe that a winning season and playoffs are a real possiblitly if we improve. Not a bad outing, but Trent needs to get the ball to his playmaker, TO more and score more than 17 points before I call it a graat performance.
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I would have said Lynch before last night, but if Jackson plays like that the next two weeks, I don't see how they could possibly start Lynch.
I agree. If I'm Dick, when ML comes back I tell him Fred's been here the last 3 weeks and looked awesome (if in fact he keeps it up for 2 more weeks). You're second string. Use a little reverse psychology on him. Tell him, I don't think you're good enough to be our starter anymore. Then he'll work twice as hard and think twice next season before smoking blunts in a parked car with handguns in the trunk.
But yeah, Fred's the man.
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[quote name='K-9' date='Sep 15 2009, 07:06 PM' post='1556416'
26 catches and yet Moss/Welker weren't even close to being the difference in the game.
GO BILLS!!!
It seemed to me that Moss/Welker were very instrumental in getting that second to last TD that got them to within 5. And the whole second half for that matter when BB made his adjustments.
TO needs the ball more. A lot more. Figure out some plays to get the ball in his hands. He's averaging 24 yards per reception. It's only a matter of time before he breaks a few to the condo (if he gets the ball).
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After the first fumble I was telling my TV to put Roscoe back there for the last one. Unfortunately Bobby was not listening. That said, he did the right thing by running it out. The only problem was he fumbled.
I haven't seen this brought up anywhere yet, but could we blame Dick for this for not letting him run a couple back in pre season to remember what it was like and get back in practice for running these things back for real? Before last night he hadn't run one back in live action in 8 months. Yeah, I can blame Dick and will. It was Dick's fault.
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If defense isn't on the field so much for first 3 quarters, they may still have had a pass rush in the 4th. If they had more of a pass rush at end of game, think the long passes to TE over middle are disrupted and things are different. While offense had some success they didn't hold on to the ball long enough IMO, to help their defense. The defense just plain ran out of gas, and NE took advantage of it.
Of course if the return game does its job, we would have had a chance to finish game off, and defense may have had a change to catch their breath, at very least.
I put the blame for this on the defense itself and not the offense. Would have been nice to hold the ball longer on offense. But the bend but don't break prevent defense means we don't get many 3 outs but many drives that hopefully peter out before they get too close. Once Brady figured out what we were doing and started whipping us with the short passes and we could not longer bring a rush with only 4 guys, it's time to change things up a little. You know, blitz Mitchell and Whitner from the side an let him get in Brady's grill a few times. We played right into their hands.
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Leodis was the best KO return man last year. I absolutely want him bringing it out and trying to get what he can. If he breaks it, which he is capable, game over. If he gets out to the 50 we're in the total drivers seat. Even geting it to the 30 sans fumble would have been great. He made the right call. I want a guy who has confidence in himself and wants to win really bad as Leodis does. I just wish he had not fumbled. Hopefully he will learn from this.
Saying that he should have downed in the EZ is total Tuesday morning QBing. Come on, Bills fans are better than that.
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But we need to improve still:
1. WR's have to be involved. Look at how NE uses Welker...why wasnt T.O. running those short quick routes? And all game the announcers couldnt stop praising McGee for his coverage on Moss, yet Moss had 12 catches against good coverage...I mean, we only targeted Ownes THREE times all game...
2. The dumb penalties need to stop...but that will get better with experience for our young OL players, so that was to be expected. Our O Line I think will be very good at some point this year.
All in all, very good outing as a whole for our team and something we hopefully build on.
Compared to some of the offensive outings late in the year last year it was stellar. But really, the offense only scored 17 points. We need more. 17 will put you close in a lot of games where maybe we can steal it at the end. Only problem is, we get way more stolen from us late than we steal. Here's a novel idea, let's try to outscore our opponents.
Trent played well. No Turnovers. 2 TD passes. It was a typical Trent "good game". To take it to the next level he needs to make more plays. Longer passes. The run for the 1st down was huge. Turn nothing plays into something. The last drive was amazing.
But I'm coming away from this game thinking we've got to get the ball to TO more. He had 2 catches for 48 yards. Neither pass was particularly long, but he's really good at running after the catch. If you can't shake him loose long, throw him some short slants or something. The DB was playing 10 yards off of him. I kept waiting TE to take one step back and sling it out to him and let him try and beat the corner for a nice gain. Never happened. We used to do this all the time to WRs that couldn't break away. I think TO could. Hell, if you can't throw it to him, give it to him on an end around or reverse. Only 3 of Trent's 25 passes were to him.
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It seemed to work well for the first 55:00. But I agree that it is too much like a prevent that prevents you from winning. Why not go to something else late when it's obvious what TB and BB are doing and change it up then when they think you're going to go down with the ship with it? I guess it can be effective at times, but I've seen it kill us too many times. Dallas in 2007 anyone? We did the same thing there.
When we release the hounds and blitz more often, we can be brutal. Ask Seattle and San Diego or Dallas in 2007 for the first 3 quarters how it works!
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Frankly, I had confidence in the Bills' offense after their big series to make it 24 points, enough that I trusted them to ice the game if they had been given the shot.
Actually our offense only scored 17. But I too would have liked to see if we could have run out the clock giving them a heavy doee of their nemesis, Fred Jackson. Or defense has got to learn how to get off the field on 3rd down though.
To the original question though, yeah, no loss is acceptable. But you know what, it was a fun game for the first 59:00. Good news is, there are 15 more games to go and we're still in it! Bring on the Bucs!
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There's a lot of blame to go around here. But, all in all the team played inspired and in aspects very good football.
My blame for the loss goes to the defense. The Patsies* had to work and earn everything they got, but we just couldn't get off the field. We'd get them to third and long only to give up the first downs. The Patsies* whipped us on time of possession because of this. Thus we were gassed at the end of the game. Why we wouldn't blitz I'll never know. Especially on those last 2 possessions where it was obvious TB was going to sit back there an throw those short passes to Moss and Welker and Watson. Why not try man to man bump and run or blitzing a few linebackers from the outside or something? We've got to figure out how to get off the field on third down. Tonight our offense played well enough to win and our defense let us down. It was nice to see a good pass rush with only four lineman though.
Leodis. I was very dissapointed. But he'll be alright. He'll make up for it. He did the right thing by running 'em out, but you've got to hold onto the ball. I'm not ready to cut him like many on here seem to be.
The loss was definitely not Trent's fault, but he still played a little too cautious for me. We gotta get the ball to TO more. Less dink and dunk, and more downfield.
Awesome pick six by Schobell.
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What a paradox...Ralph needs to die for the team to be successful...however he won't sell the team while hes still living so once he dies the Bills will probably move anyway.
Just put us out of our misery and relocate the team...Even the most die-hard of Bills fans are slowly but surely becoming less invested in this nightmarish laughingstock of a franchise. I have gone from a dedicated fan to a casual observer over time and so have nearly all of my friends and family members from the area.
Watch them move to LA and become a perennial playoff team like the Ravens when they left Cleveland or the Titans when they left Houston.
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Losman
It's the only jersey I have.
(go ahead. laugh at me)
Not laughing. It's still a Bills jersey. That's all that counts. I still wear my Rob Johnson and Quinn Early jerseys proudly!
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Losman
It's the only jersey I have.
(go ahead. laugh at me)
Not laughing. It's still a Bills jersey. That's all that counts. I still wear my Rob Johnson and Quinn Early jerseys proudly!
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Lee Evans white (non-throwback)
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Flutie home or Evans away. Haven't decided yet.
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Saying guys are hurt and questionable for the game is one of Bill Belly-Ache's oldest and favorite tricks. Tom Landry and George Allen also used to do this a lot.
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That's the biggest myth ever. The Bills players do not play hard for him. When the season was on the line they collapsed in 2007 and in 2008. I know it's been a long time for Bills fans, but thats the opposite of what playing hard looks like.
Everyone has a right to their opinion. I just disagree. Who wasn't playing hard in the 2nd Jets game last year? Or the Clowns game? Or the Patsies* Wind Bowl game?
I think we could have a winning team if we let Dick prepare the guys all week and then had someone with a little football sense making the in-game decisions.
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Football is a game of emotion, and our coach has none.... to me that kind of says it all. The guy has no intensity and his teams play that way.
I beg to differ. While I am not a DJ supporter, the team plays hard for him. They often play hard enough to win but DJ snatches the L from the jaws of victory. See last year's 2nd Jets game, Clowns game, and Whiners games as classic examples.
I look for our guys to play hard tonight. If they get a good game plan and DJ doesn't make idiotic decisions like trying a fake field goal with us up 6 in the 2nd half we might even win.
The Best Part About Monday's Loss
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I'd be happy with a 3-2 win. A W is a W is a W.
I just hope our guys don't get over confident and believe the crap about how bad TB is. I admit it. I'm a little nervous. But I think we'll win.