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Umm, I think that's one of the points in this never-ending thread - the Bills benched Flutie once he got us to the playoffs. We'll never know what might have been, since Wade opted to bench Flutie in favor in RJ. Or do I have that wrong?
Yes, you have it wrong. It was not Wade who opted to bench Flutie in favor in RJ, it was Hall of Fame electee Ralph Wilson who made this decision. The stupidest decision in Bills history. Of course, Wade could have pulled RJ at half time which I was hoping he'd do, but did not.
Wade should have told him he was too short and too old, and then put him back out there at the start of the 2nd half. A little reverse psychology. Nothing fires up a guy with a big ego and chip on his shoulder than telling him he can't do it. He didn't get the start, and then Wade calls him short and old, and BINGO. He probably would have passed for 300 yards and ran for 2 TDs in the second half.
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And the good people of WNY lined up at supermarkets to purchase Flutie Flakes, flutie bars, and those <politically incorrect name removed>
You forgot the Flutie subs at Wegmans. I wonder why they don't have Trent subs? Or JP subs before that or Drew subs or RJ subs before that? Maybe Flutie was more marketable? If it sells subs, why not think that it could also sell tickets? Answer: it did.
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See above article.
Missed a few. Fixed!
You also forgot 1986 America's Favorite Midget
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correct.
incidentally, the famous 5-game "franchise-saving" winning streak started the next game (2 weeks later b/c of a bye) vs. steve young and the 49ers, a game in which a bills-QB-not-named-flutie went 19-27 (70.4 %), 254 yds, 1 TD, 0 int, and a QB rating of 112.3. But according to all the flutie-lovers, he started the winning streak all by himself.
again, i'm not touting johnson here, but let's all be honest about what level of player flutie was and why the team was winning. it wasn't all or even mostly him. look at the numbers objectively.
I was at this game and Johnson played GREAT. What happened to him? After a while it got to where he was so predictable. He'd roll out to the right and hang on to the ball and then either get sacked, run out of bounds, or throw it away at the last second. The Bills were like 0-3 and the 49ers were 4-0 or something coming into thsi game. My wife and her cousin were in the parking lot before the game saying where do we meet up at half time if the Bills are getting blowed out? I asked them what are we going to do if the Bills do the blowing out? They laughed.
Here he seemed to be a very adequate QB who should be able to win with a great defense. How come he didn't except in this one game and Flutie could the rest of the season? That's what you need to objectively ask yourself.
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I agree totally on the Bills. The Jim Kelly era suits were cool. Never should have gone away from it. Sabres I have no opinion since I don't do hockey.
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I knew it as soon as I heard the stupid commercial. That play still makes me sick to this day. I call it The music city forward pass!! And I still hate rob johnson for playing and making that game close. If flutie starts like he should have, I have no doubt we win THAT GAME.
That's close to what I call it. I call it "the Music City Forward Lateral". If Flutie starts that game we win it going away. No way Flutie fumbles out of the back of the end zone for a safety. I never get over stuff like this. I still hate the Packers from the Ice Bowl (there was a false start on Starr's QB sneak).
I'll never drink another Miller product EVAH !!
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According to your argument, they should have 4 each, for a total of 12.
Exactly! That's what I got. I guess it depends on what the definition of the word "super bowl ring" is. I looked it up. Losing teams get "jewelry" from the league worth no more than $1500. They're rings. Rings they got for being in the Super Bowl. I've always considered a super bowl ring to be a ring someone won for playing in the Super Bowl which is a monumental task. Hell, "it's hard to win in the NFL", said Dick Jauron. Others think differently I guess.
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Who owns a SB ring? RJ or Flutie?
Actually, they both do. You get a SB ring whether you win or lose. Flutie is the only guy in Super Bowl history to be on a roster that had converted a drop kick during the regular season! How many does Jim Kelly have? Bruce? Thurman? Trent Edwards?
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BB 11-5
NEP 10-6
MD 9-7
NYJ 6-10
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Whatever. The reason is probably something else. I don't believe a word either of these clowns say.
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I would say that before we worry about the Bills winning a Super Bowl that we should worry about making the playoffs. So I agree with the Dean. To briefly reference another thread, Flutie was 4-1 for the Bills in 2000 and would have led us to a third straight playoff appearance had he been the starter. But he wasn't. I think many people would rather have a prototypical QB who sucks instead of a runt who wins. Therefore, Jim Druckenmiller and Kyle Boller get drafted high and guys like Flutie, Tarkenton, and Garcia have to make the most of their opportunities. Give me a playoff quarterback...true Super Bowl quarterbacks are far and few between. I don't think there's any question that Trent has a higher upside than "Super Bowl quarterbacks" such as Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson.
It should also be noted that in Flutie's last game as a Bill he had a perfect QB rating in a 39 degree rain storm at Husky Stadium in Seattle.
If Trent goes from where he is now to being as good a QB as Chad Pennington, I'd take that in a heartbeat.
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Do you mean winning two games during the regular season for TB, in their SB season, were pathetic hiccups? Who owns a SB ring? RJ or Flutie?
Rob Johnson in fact did break the sub 40 degree jinx of the Buccaneers by engineering an impressive 12-9 (4 FGs) win on Monday Night Football (or maybe it was Sunday Night).
As far as benching Flutie for RJ in the Titans game, it was (soon to be HOF) Ralph Wilson's call. Look it up. Dumbest decision in Buffalo Bills history.
What Flutie lacked in size etc. he made up for in heart and a will to win. He made plays out of nothing. Again watch at 1:30 in the vid. Most QBs, including TE, won't make that play. He was just manning the helm of a really good team, then why couldn't RJ or Alex Van Pelt have had the same success with that team? I was at the 2000 Patsies game. Blizzard and wind and miserable conditions. Rj is doing nothing under center. Finally he gets hurt and Flutie comes in and immediately starts throwing and moving the chains and scoring points. The lady in front of me turns around and says "they play differently whe he's in there." Why's that, becuase he was such a cancer in the locker room, or sucked, or what? The man exuded confidence. You can't coach that. The Patsies had to actually start trying to score too and it turned into sort of a shoot-out in a blizzard. Went into OT and Veneteri kicked the game winner. But a great fun game.
Meanwhile we got a guy in there now who when DJ doesn't get the play in in time, runs over to the sidelines to find out what play to run (last drive of 1st half vs. Patsies at the Ralph, the Wind Bowl). The clock was running out on the half and he can't even decide on his own what to do. Man, the Bills could certainly use a guy that sucked as bad Doug Flute now!
22 - 11 as a starter! I see people around here braggin' about Trent's 11 - 10 or whatever it is as a starter.
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Flutie had his playoff game in 1999...He had the ball at the Dolphins 1yd line line with seconds left...he was sacked and he fumbled the ball...EPIC FAIL! So please spare me how Flutie would have won the Tennessee game for us. He lost his big playoff start for the Bills.
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Yeah it's true he (and the rest of the team) lost that winnable game. But really, this was with a coach Wade Phillips who has never won a playoff game. He lost one with the Bills the next year, one with San Diego, and at least one with Dallas with NO playoff wins ever. Also, Flutie threw for 360 yards in that game. If the #1 rated defense in the NFL that year which was, the naysayers say were responsible for all that Flutie wins, could have held Miami to less than 20 points, we might have won that game. So you can't blame that loss all on Flutie. He was one 1 of 22 guys.
Check the play at 1:30 of the film and the Jacksonville naked boot. Has anyone who's taken a snap at QB since for the Bills been able to do anything remotely like that?
Flutie had a GREAT run with the Bills. Anyone saying anything different is relying on revisionist history. As others have said, he saved the Bills. They'd already be in Tornonto or LA by now if not for Mr. Flutie. Cutting him for RJ was one of the dumbest things the Bills have ever done, right behind starting RJ in the Tennessee game (which we win handily if Flutie starts).
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nice shorts
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But on the other hand, it sort of provides a dividing line of who is a mature professional and the ones that want to remain dorm room stoners.
Why is it necessary? Is their life so full of stress they need to relax with a big fat spliff? C'mon - these guys are physically working off their stress on the practice field. And unlike many of us, they really shouldn't have any money worries.
How is this different that downing a few cool ones after a hard day on the practice field? Brett Favre was able to lead his team to the Super Bowl while being a big dorm room beer drinker. Hell, the guy that scored the first TD in Super Bowl history was hung over from "relieving stress" the night and early morning before. The leagues full of 'em. Aside from any legal ramification, why is one mind altering substance preferrable to another?
That said, it'd probably be wiser for any NFL guy to wait until his playing days are over to not get suspended.
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Stadium names are one thing...you don't always have to see it and/or have it thrown in your face each time you watch an NFL game. I should've known this would be the next step.
But even so, what company these days is willing to "throw away" money like that?
Microsoft. Red Bull. Teams in the Major League Soccer have big logos on the front of their "kits". Seattle had XBOX 360 and the New York Red Bulls have the Red Bull logo. They're big too.
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I like NFL football way more than college. I watch some college games each year because it's football and all that's on, The things I don't like about college football:
1. no playoff
2. if a player slips and his knee touches the ground, the plays over
3. OT is dumb
4. HUGE discrepency between teams
5. big time teams pad their first several weeks of the season with cupcakes
6. Players careers are short. Every couple of years it's all new players. Too hard to keep up with
Things about college football I do like:
1. Greater variety is styles of offense and defense run
2. wider hash marks
3. Better instant replay rule
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Team: Dallas Cowboys
Coach: Bill Belly-ache
Player: Joe Montana
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Best dog ever was a malamute named "Flutie".
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Anyone else notice that this is also at least the third year in a row we play the Clowns? And we'll play them again next year!
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He does not carry a gun
forget about it
he would not fit in
His (Warrick Dunn) Mom was a cop. I'd suspect he knows a thing or two about guns.
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I don't think where a guy is from necessarily has a lot to do with his ability to play in cold weather. The 2 greatest "frozen tundra" QBs were from the south. Bart Starr grew up and played his college ball in Alabama. Brett Favre is from Louisiana.
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Main thing is, if we didn't get Cutler, I'm just glad the Jets didn't!
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I'd take Cutler OR Orton over Trent. Kyle Orton is the Rodney Dangerfield of QBs. He's good.
Tough QBs
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Roger Staubach
Sonny Jurgensen
Norm Snead
Troy "Achey Breaky Heart" Aikman
Don Meredith
Doug Flutie
Big Ben (as much as I hate him)
Terry Bradshaw (as much as I hate him too)