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I was at the game Monday Night and on the TD pass to Lynch, Trent was standing back there clutching the football with all day to throw. There were other guys open. Everyone in the stadium, myself included, saw ML a full second and a half before the Trent did and were yelling "throw it Marshawn" before Trent finally saw him waving his arms and finally threw him the football. Amazing.
Something's wrong. Not sure what. Someone on One Bills Drive needs to find out fast.
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My biggest knock on DJ is his game time decisions. Standing pat at the 29 yard line. Going for it on 4th and 1 in FG range early in the game against Jets. Botches fake FG early in game with lead in NE last year. On and on and on. He get's the guys prepared and they play hard, are in a position to win, and then he blows it with a bone headed call like 3 runs into the line Monday night with the game on the line. I too was hoping for some stability. But I'm starting to think DJ should be run out of town on a rail if we continue to falter down the stretch.
I wonder what Marty Schottemhiemer is doing these days? Losing a playoff game doesn't sound so bad 10 years since our last.
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This is one of the worst excuses I have heard and you only ever hear it from fans. Sticking with a decision because the "organization made its decision and now must live with it."
If Trent struggles, then I am ok with letting him play through it, but if he looks like he did against Cle (lost, scared, timid, etc) then he has to be pulled for his own good and for the good of the team.
"organization made its decision and now must live with it." reminds me of "stay the course".
At this point, there's a better chance of ruining Trent's self esteem and psyche by continuing to play him than by pulling him for a game or two. Not to mention that the way he's playing could lead to another serious injury if he stays out there.
For all involved, get him out of there until he get's his head straightened out.
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If the Bills sign Michael Vick, I'm going to go back to being a Cowboy fan. At least their criminals aren't as dispicable.
NO MICHAEL VICK IN BUFFALO EVER !!
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If the Bills still think they're in the playoff race, they make the move to Losman to see what he can give them with this inarguably better team. If they think they're out of it, stick with Trent and let him "work through" his recent pathetic play.
You've got to play to get in the playoffs until you're mathematically eliminated which we are far from right now. This board I swear is full of people with a loser mentality. One week makes a huge difference in the NFL. We've been playing for next year and the future for 4 years now. ENOUGH. Let's do whatever we have to next week to win in KC. Then take it from there.
Trent sux right now pure and simple. After watching Monday Night's debacle in person, I think playing him now is not helping him and hurting everyone, myself and everyone on the board included. I'm no saying JP is the answer necesarily, but Trent needs to get off the field and watch and study and get his head back together.
I repeat, continuing to play Trent in his current state is helping no one and hurting anyone associated with the Bills, like us fans.
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We need to win, not for the playoffs, but the possibility to entice free agents.
Exactly. If we could get beyond 7-9 and look like we're building something here, we might be able to draw better free agent talent. Let's face it with one of the longest playoff droughts, and the cold weather in Buffalo, all things being equal, I can't blame free agents for rather going to Dallas or Jacksonville, or New England, or Philadelphia, or anywhere but Cincinati or here. When Reggie White went to Green Bay when he did people were surprised. But he said they were building a winner and he was right.
Amazing what wins can do for a team!
Go BILLS !!
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First off they still had one TO left. After missing the kick when Cleve took over they used it after 1st down. Second, when the Bills kicked there was still 35-40 seconds left. There was still plenty of time whatever happened to get the kick off. Plus if they tried even one pass and it was incomplete, when the Bills kicked there likely would have been over a minute left and the imcomplete would have stopped the clock. There were only two bad outcomes from throwing a pass, he gets sacked which would have taken him out of FG range totally , then they would have to pass next play unless of course it happened on third down, or an INT. Personally I thought they should have passed on 2nd down, and short pass maybe 5 yards or so and who knows what happens after the catch. It would be unlikely for him to have been sacked too as that was one of the few bright spots the oline did play well and gave him good protection.
In fact there were zero sacks of Trent Edwards in that game.
I was hoping they would line up in the shotgun with Fred and Marshawn in the backfield and handoff to Fred like they did so well in the first half and a few times in the second half. Or, run the wildcat. Anything but running into the line 3 plays in a row. This is a play that hasn't worked all season. Unbelievable. I was one of the people who stayed in their seat through the time out and last play to boo loudly. That's really what cost us the game. Of course 3 picks, a fumble, a missed interception opportunity by Leodis, the refs not calling holding on the long TD run by Cleveland, not blitzing at all on the 96 yard TD drive by Cleveland, missing the field goal, and Trent not throwing to open guys all night, didn't help either.
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I support Trent 100% since he's the guy. But something's wrong. He's totally lost it. I was at the game and I'm here to tell you there were open recievers all over the place. On one play where the threw an incomplete bad pass to Fred who was covered short, Steve Johnson was wide open on the other side of the field 15 or 20 yards downfield. Trent never looked his direction.
I don't know if it's lingering effects of the concussion, or he doesn't have the attention span for the long NFL season, or he's scared to get hit like he did against Arizona again, but something's wrong. I think it's time to sit him for a few games to study and watch film and practice and learn how to once again be the QB he was the first 6 weeks.
It's not fair to the rest of the team who's working hard and playing well for one guy to blow the season for everyone else so he can "learn". JP will be gone next year, so what. Trent needs to regroup. Maybe when he gets his next chance to start in a few games he'll be hungry once again and the magic will be back. It's worth a try.
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Dr. Z pretty much nailed it. After getting to the 33 I was baffled as to running up the gut 3 plays in a row. This is a play that hasn't worked all season. We could have tried something else like putting Fred and Marshawn in the backfield and handing it to Fred. That worked great. Or, one of the off tackle or sweeps that worked so well. Send Fred or Marshwan out into the flat. Obviously the coaches had ZERO confidence in Trent to not throw an interception. Or, a QB draw. There had to be something else in the playbook. After finally we got a running a game and the O Line played well, to lose it like this. It was tough.
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My bad. Anyways, they made it to the playoffs, which is a lot more than the Bills did. That was basically my point, even though the Bills choked horribly in that game.
Dallas is currently riding a 6 game playoff losing streak. The longest in NFL history.
I was at loss #5 in Seattle where Tony Romo dropped the snap from center on the game winning field goal try. It was GREAT !!
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My problem with both JP and Trent are the same. Neither has been able to show any consistency. Both have looked great at times and horrible at times.
As far as Trent goes the thing I've seen from him I don't like is his coming out of the tunnel on fire and getting a quick TD followed by little to nothing the rest of the way. He did that against the Pats and Giants last year and the Fish this year. He also has games wh4th quarter. Like against the Jets this year where he was able to control the ball for 22 straight plays and get zero out of it and give up 7 in the process. Or like Sunday's game against the Patsies. After the first 6 games I thought he had cured this but I guess not.
Then there's the whole cold weather thing which we are about to find out about maybe as soon as Monday night. A QB that can't play in cold weather in Buffalo is like a having a car in Alaska that won't start if the temperature is below 0.
Sure, I'd like to have 80 degrees and sunny, but that's not football.
Of course he's still young (NOT a rookie anymore) and will get better (I hope). We'll see. Time will tell.
Go BILLS !!
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uhmmm not sure I agree...TE is playing poorly now... thats the difference.
Right. I'm sure Turk didn't tell Trent to fumble in the end zone and throw 2 picks against the Fish or throw an interception for a TD against the Jets. If Trent can stop turning the ball over and do everything else like he has been, then Turk turns back into a "coaching genius" like he was the first 6 weeks into the season.
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I don't buy into this bit that a coach has to spit on the sidelines and tear his headset off when there's a bad call an publicy berate players etc. For every successful coach like this I can name five that were successful and weren't. Bill Beliceck, Tony Dungy, Tom Landry, Bud Grant, Bill Callahan, Mike Holmgren, John Fox, the Giants coach, Andy Reid, Jack Siefert, Bill Walsh, Chuck Noll, ...
The good coaches evaluate and acquire talent and figure out ways to find the other team weaknesses and capitalize on them. They also evaluate the talent they have and come up with ways to take advantage of that.
Not sure if Dick's doing that or not. Too early to tell. I think maybe the biggest reason they'll try to keep Dick is because the Bill's have realized that swapping out coaches and QBs evey couple of years has been counter-productive. Can't say as I disagree with that. I say if we got 9-7 or better, Dick stays. Otherwise, go after Marty Schottenhiemer.
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If I were the negative crudgemudgeon type of fan that is so prevalent on here I'd say
the Smitereens
Since I'm not, I say
Led Zeppelin (not for the name, but the attitude and how hard they rock)
Go BILLS !!
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I was at the last one and if it's anything like that this time you won't be dissapointed. I agree. I don't like the last 3 losses, but I see no reason to stick my head in the oven. We're close to winning. There's still 7 games left and we control our own destiny. This would be a great week to turn it around.
Go BILLS !!
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Funny, I'm kindof seeing it the other way.
I'm starting to think that Dick Jauron is calling the shots more than the OC and DC. Early in the season we saw a lot more variety and aggressiveness on both sides of the ball before Dick got his screws into Perry and Turk. Remember the blitzing and the going for the jugular 31 yard TD pass after the Seattle fumble? Now all that's gone and we're playing very conservative on both side of the ball. Dick Jauron's philosphy. Dick wants to win all games 13-10 scoring a FG late to win. That's his philosophy and I think that's what he's telling Perry and Turk to do.
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I gotta wait and see how this season turns out. If we win 9 or more games, it's Dick. If not, I'd say Marty Schottenhiemer. He turns teams around fast. Maybe he doesn't get to the Super Bowl, but at this point, I don't care. I just want to have a good season and make the playoffs. Sometimes you gotta crawl before you can walk. If we could put together a couple of winning seasons with trips to the playoffs it'd be a lot easier to attract good talent to Buffalo.
I always wonder what would have happened if Ernest Byner had not fumbled going in for the winning TD in the AFC Championship Game against Denver? It was really dumb of Marty to tell him to do that.
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I'm starting to think that Dick Jauron is calling the shots more than the OC and DC. Early in the season we saw a lot more variety and aggressiveness on both sides of the ball. Remember the blitzing and the going for the jugular 31 yard TD pass after the Seattle fumble? Now all that's gone and we're playing very conservative on both side of the ball. Dick Jauron's philosphy. Dick wants to win all games 14-10 scoring a TD late to win. That's his philosophy and I think that's what he's telling Perry and Turk to do.
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Did Madden have a Glove Wearing Mary uniform option in its 09 version to make things more realistic?
We should change Big Ben's nickname to "Big Mary". He wears a glove on one hand even when it's not cold.
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You can't count the Cardinals loss because he only played for a few minutes and was not given a chance to win. On the other hand, you have to count the win against the Jets last year because he was in for a long time.
The Jets game where when Trent left the game due to injury when the score was 3-3 and JP came in the 4th quarter and got 10 points? What about the loss to the Patriots last year when JP got hurt on the 3rd play and Trent went the rest of he way and we got our doors blown in? Who does that count for? JP did start. But if the one where Trent did the same doesn't count ... I think I'm still confused.
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59 Kawika Mitchell
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He is 10-7 as a starter... What is JP's record?
I don't buy into the whole QB record as a starter thing. That said, I'm a little confused. I tought last year Trent went 5-4 as a starter and this year he's also gone 5-4. That's 10-8. Am I missing something?
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10-6 almost always gets a team in the playoffs, unless you're the '07 Clowns. It's not unusual for a 9-7 team to sneak in. So I'd say if we go 10-6 we probably will make it. But, unfortunately I've misplaced my crystal ball. Looks like all the teams will have to play their remaining 7 or 8 games to tell for sure.
I see no reason why we can't get on a roll and win out. The 1971 Cowboys came off of a 38-0 drubbing by the St. Louis Cardinals on MNF to make their record 5-4. They won out and won the their first Super Bowl. So, the precedent has been set.
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Trent was on the roster and practiced and studied game film and learned the system etc last year. He's gone through 2 off season programs and training camps. He started 9 games last year and 10 games this year. 9 + 10 = 19. After Sunday, provided he does start, that'll be a season and a quarter of starting time.
I understand he's young and needs time etc., but he's far from a rookie at this point. He can't carry Cutler's jock strap. Since the SD game he's gotten worse and worse. I shudder to think what we might be in store for on Sunday.
Three years ago I was hoping for the same guy I am now: Marty Schottenhiemer. We've got the talent to be a winning, if not playoff team right now.