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Fair enough reddog but what would you have had the Bills do this offseason to improve over Lindell?
Bring in some contenders or would be contenders. Scour the free agent wire. Maybe a guy who was out of football last year and hungry to get back in. Maybe an Arena guy. Then announce that you're opening it and have kicking competition in training camp. If Lindell's the guy, make him earn it. It would be good for him and the Bills. If one of the other guys is better, keep him.
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Vinatieri is better than every other kicker in the league? How so?
And I, unfortunately, can't prove my point because there is no standard definition over what constitutes a "clutch" kick.
By the way, I'm not trying to be argumentative and I apologize if my last post came across as condescending...I just happen to think that kickers are interchangeable parts. There is very little variance statistically between the "good kickers" and "bad kickers".
I'd say Adam Vinatieri is the best kicker in the NFL based on the number of clutch kicks I've seen him make. I can go back to the OT kick in Buffalo in a blizzard in 2000 in one of Flutie's last games. Then there was the Super Bowl game winning kick. Then there was the tuck rule game game winner in the snow. On and on and on. Part of that may be due to the team he was on etc. But he delivers the goods. If he's not the best in the NFL today, who is?
No prob on the argumentative thing. It's cool.
We'll just have agree to disagree on the "interchangeable parts" thing with kickers. Maybe "there is very little variance statistically between the "good kickers" and "bad kickers"." But still, I couldn't disagree more. Stats don't tell the whole story.
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no they dont need to be state of the art however they do need to be able to accomodate all the fans so grown men dont have to piss in the sink... you guys are messed up for that
Or the trash can. I've seen that too. PIG. Of course drinking less beer could solve all of these problems too!
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He's not un-clutch...it's just that the instances when he misses a clutch kick resonate louder in your memory. I would hazard to guess that his FG % in "clutch" situations is just about equal to his career percentage of 80.
PROVE IT
I looked into your challenge for me to prove my point. 2 out of the last 5 years the winning SB kicker was Adam Vennetari. I think it's safe to say he's better than every other kicker in the league including the ones on average teams.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think Lindell's horrible, but he did have a bad year last year. It wasn't just the Clowns kick. I just think we should be looking for someone better. I think the same for the QB, DE, DT, LB, and OL positions as well.
As far as kickers from southern teams coming into the Ralph. I'll never forget watching Nick Folk of the Drugboyz kicking 2 straight 60+ yard FGs in the Ralph for the win in 2007. I also remember the kicker for the Clowns making several very long kicks including one to go ahead with 2:00 to go in the same windy stadium as Lindell. Didn't bother him too much.
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If we were a Super Bowl caliber team in that upper 10-15% of the NFL I would say we could use a possible upgrade at kicker but for now Lindell is more than good and I am fairly confident in his ability to make big kicks that aren't like around 50 yards going against the wind (Like that Cleveland kick). But a 45 yard kick no wind I am going to feel like we have a greater than 75% chance to win that game.
I'm sorry, but this to me smacks of a loser's mentality. We should be trying to improve EVERY position on this team. I'm not saying Lindell's the man or not the man. But I think his performance last year merits a serious look for something better. To say he's "good enough" even though he cost us at least one game last year. He also missed several other big kicks when the game was not on the line. I'm thinkin' he missed a couple against the Jets which was a winnable game.
Maybe it's just that I place a higher value on FG kickers than many others on here. You gotta have a really good one to win. I want to win THIS FREAKIN' YEAR !!!
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I have my own theory on this. Running a professional sports team is not a real good way to make money year over year. However, it can make you a ton of money when you sell. Nothing drives up the value of a franchise than a new "state of the art" stadium. I saw it first hand in the '90s with the Dallas Mavericks when I lived there. Ross Perot Jr. was the owner. The team sucked. He hired low budget coaches. Didn't pay big time free agents. They went on to win <20 games per year. Then Ross suckered Dallas into building the American Airline Center even though the stadium they played in was less than 20 years old. As soon as the thing was done, he sold the team to the Cube for a HUGE profit.
Look at the Forbes top 10 valuable teams:
1. Dallas Cowboys
2. Washington Redskins
3. New England Patriots
4. Houston Texans
5. Philadelphia Eagles
6. Denver Broncos
7. Chicago Bears
8. New York Giants
9. Cleveland Browns
10. New York Jets
They all have brand new "state of the art" stadiums. Now, the bottom 7:
25. New Orleans Saints
26. San Diego Chargers
27. Buffalo Bills
28. Oakland Raiders
29. Jacksonville Jaguars
30. San Francisco 49ers
31. Atlanta Falcons
32. Minnesota Vikings
They all play in old dilapidated stadiums. Atlanta's is 10 years old or so I think. The Metrodome is 24 years old.
The league likes it because it drives up the value of it's franchises which generates more money in TV deals etc. Major sports leagues hold up municipalities and threaten to move their team if they don't build a new stadium. Look at what Gooddell said when he was here last year. If Buffalo were to build a new stadium, all of the sudden Buffalo would become a viable market for the NFL. Look into what David Stern did to the city of Seattle before the Sonics moved. The team could stay if a new stadium was built. To it's credit, the city of Seattle said NO and look what happened. Just a little lesson to any other cities out there thinking of NOT building a new stadium.
Anyway, that's my story and I'm stickin' with it.
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Until the Bills show an ability to pass block consistently, run block in short yardage, rush the passer and stop the run and until the coaching staff shows any ability whatsoever to manage a game, I think kicker is a relatively minor concern.
Yeah, let's wait until the Bills can "show an ability to pass block consistently, run block in short yardage, rush the passer and stop the run" and still lose games due to missed FGs and THEN in the next offseason try to get a new kicker. Makes sense to me.
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I don't have much confidence in Rian Lindell. Seems like a nice guy. He missed more than the kick at the end of the Clowns game last year that hurt us. But a kicker can make the difference between winning and losing in the NFL. Position is misunderestimated by many fans. What if we had Nick Folk instead? We need somebody like him. I'm disappointed the Bills aren't bringing in some serious replacement contenders for Lindell and letting 'em kick it off to see who's best and stays on the team. If Lindell wins fine. If not, fine.
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Referring to your comment that "the 2 min is the most dominant part of Trents game. See '08 Jax, Oak, SD...." what I see is that '08 Jax, Oak, SD were truly horrible teams.
The thing I remember most of last year in regards to Trents 2 minute offense prowess was in the Wind Bowl again the Patsies*. Dick didn't get the play in in time and the helmet radio cut off. With the clock ticking down in the half, Trent runs over to the sidelines to see what play Daddy wants him to run. Can't see JK or Flutie doing this. Makes me nervous.
I've been seeing a lot of chatter on here and seen articles about the Bills running the no huddle T-Gun offense. I'll believe it when I see it. It's a total 180 degree from Dick's philosophy of football which as I see it is to keep it close by maintaining long time consuming drives and playing bend but don't break, keep everything in front of you defense, and try to steal it at the end. We'll see.
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First off I think what Michael Vick did was despicable and I never want him to play for the Bills ever under any circumstance. Now the big butt. He was convicted of a crime and served his time. He has payed his debt to society. I could see the NFL suspending for a while now that he's out. But then he should be able to play again. He wouldn't be the first NFL convicted felon player.
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Trent Edwards - Injuries and also can he be effective for more than a 4 or 5 game stretch? Haven't seen it yet. Hope I do this year.
James Hardy - Made some great plays last year before injury. Now with TO, Evans, Reed, and Johnson, will there be room for him?
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Of course there's the possibility of a QB controversy because you have a guy who, for whatever reason, has not established a lock on the position. If he comes out and really struggles, there will be a controversy. But I think the majority of teams could find themselves in this position if the guy penciled in as the starter plays poorly. If we really find ourselves debating the merits of Edwards vs. Fitzpatrick, though... I think I'd have to sit that one out.
Not me. I've already got the screen name FitzpatricksArm locked up! Hopefully I won't need it.
Go Trent. Go BILLS !!
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I wouldn't say we're necessarily "ripe" for a QB controversy. but I could see it happening. Say in pre season Fitzpatrick looks very sharp and smart and poised in the pocket. Throws for 1/2 dozen TDs in preseason. Meanwhile, Trent struggles. Season starts and Trent has a couple of Cleveland Clowns 2008 type games. We start 0-3. I'm thinking posts by FitzgeraldsARM are not too far behind! I don't hope or expect this to happen, but it's not out of the realm of possibility ...
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My biggest concern in Trent Edwards. If he can put some consistency together and play like he did the first 5 games and Denver and San Diego, we'll have a good year. If not, we'll suck.
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But to me the guy has 2 big time tools working for him that anyone can see 1-Completion percentage 2- Low INT total.
Last year Trent had 11 TDs and 10 Ints. Career he's 18 - 18. Not sure how that figures into "Low INT total." His completion percentage last year was one of the highest in the league. Maybe he can build on that. Of course he may have to do a little better this year to keep that up factoring in some TO patented drops.
Go BILLS !!
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I say it'd be great to have him in a Bills uniform next year provided he has a strong desire to keep playing, that he'd be willing to continue and/or end his career in Buffalo, that he gets no offers from a team who made the playoffs 2006-2009, he gets no offers from a coastal and/or desert team, and he comes on the cheap, which of course is dependent on all the aforementioned factors.
I say it'd be great to NOT have him in a Bills uniform next year. He seems like a nice guy. Probably works very hard. Has a great football pedigree ( even if it is Fish ). But he's just not very good. He's had chance after chance (Denver, Chicago) to be the man, but usually throws too many interceptions and gets demoted. I'd take him only if in preseason Trent and Fitzpatrick get long term injuries and we can find no one else any good. Then he could backup Hamdan.
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Trent Edwards who never completely recovered from a severe concussion.
CLASSIC ANSWER ALERT:
Did you see the KC and Denver games? (Which of course were after the severe concussion Trent never completely recovered from.)
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And the middling teams we hang with, hoping that we can sneak a win and that a jauron blunder doesn't give us the loss.
Not to be too technical, but the correct term in these circumstances is "to steal a win".
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Week 3 – 60,415 in Dallas (Monday night).
I did and would. I was at that game! I sold programs at the Cowboy games back then back when the Cowboys were a team a fan could be proud of. The saddest thing I saw on this strike was at one game the school teachers came out picketing in sympathy. I thought, next time you (the teachers) are in negotiations, how many of these guys will come out to support you?
I'm all for labor, but when your union has negotiated a $310,000 starting minimum salary, they've done their job! To me when I saw them picketing, my impression was that they were spoiled babies who don't even know how the real world operates.
As a side note, it is my understanding the Bills purposefully didn't sign any good players because Buffalo is a big union town and they didn't want to piss off the fans. Same with a lot of other northern union cities.
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Not to interrupt this wonderful exchange,but how do you know someone was asleep when they were shot to death?
I'm not saying I'm into any grassy knoll theories here, but I was wondering the same thing.
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As for you last point about Fewell running a CB blitz: several times last season, especially while Youboty was in the line-up.
GO BILLS!!!
According to NFL.com, there was 1 sack recorded by Youboty, the only by a CB. I seem to recall Reggie Corner coming in a few as well. So yeah, I'd say some CB blitzes were definitely run last year. The first few games of the season Perry was bringing the house on blitzes. I'm sure at least of few of the guys coming were corners.
GO BILLS!!! indeed
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This is indeed tragic. This story did verify my original theory though that she found out he was seeing someone else. Like I said, jealousy is a B word.
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No. I don't do video games.
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The best thing Trent can do to get leadership on the Bills is perform on the field. Make some plays. Win some games against good teams.
Also maybe do a few gutsy things on his own that work. Like in the waning seconds of the 1st half against the Pats in the Wind Bowl, if the coaches don't get the play in in time, don't run over to the sidelines to see what Daddy wants you to do. Make a play call yourself and if it works, you're the leader! If you act like a follower, you're a follower.
Rian Lindell:
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I'm not a pro scout. I don't disagree with a lot of what you are saying including if he's good enough for Bobby April he's OK with me. I also don't know that they aren't looking around. At least last year, Lindell was OK. I just want better than OK FG wise.
The original question was "Does he have your confidence or not?". As for me, right here, right now, he does not. But I have an open mind. That could change.