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I've been to Seahawks camp the year they went to the Super Bowl and Bills camp 3 times. It's kindof hard to compare since the day I was there was for the green/blue scrimmage. I had to work in the morning and then we went to the game that afternoon. Since it was a scrimmage, most of the guys were standing around watching the game.
I think I read somewhere that last year the Cowboys only worked out in pads once at training and camp and that was only because ESPN was there filming. Of course they didn't make the playoffs either.
Training camp isn't about getting in shape anymore. They work out year round. In the old daylike 70s and back guys came to camp to get in shape for the season. Now guys work out all spring and summer and are in shape when they hit camp. Plus, you want to avoid training camp injuries if you can.
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I think Trent will have a good year if there is protection (a big if). He is very smart and has guys who can run and catch. If the interior OL can block, good things will happen. They absolutely must be able to run successfully to play well.
I suspect that you underestimate Edwards.
I hope. But Trent had protection last year. Not great, but not too bad either. The whole Clowns debacle was not due to protection. It was due to Trent throwing 3 boneheaded picks in the first 4 possessions and then throwing to the RBs behind the line of scrimmage the rest of the game until the last series. That TD to ML he could have eaten banana back there before he finally (about a full second after all the fans I was around) saw him and threw it. He also had plenty of time to throw when he threw that pick six against the Jets. Last year Trent's problems were Trent, not protection.
I'd pay him 15 mil if he takes us to the playoffs this year and has a good year doing it. Like 20 TDs and 10 INTs and a 99.9 QB rating or something. Maybe a few more TDs running the ball himself.
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Your point is well taken, but watch what Edwards costs if he has a good year. I don't think that many people (not to say you) grasp what qbs cost these days, and how few good ones are out there.
It's a decent gamble I'd say. In the second half of the season last year he looked very good. Yeah, he had a good team around him, but he could deliver the goods. His passes were crisp and right on. I saw him engineer a comeback win here in Seattle. And that quick kick in the Wind Bowl was AWESOME.
I'd take him over Edwards AND Fitzpatrick in a heartbeat.
Of course if he bombs they'll look live fools, again.
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I don't think it's going to matter, b/c the staff will stick with Fitzpatrick, but here are the guys (as far as I can tell) that are available:
Brooks Bollinger
Charlie Frye
Brian Griese
Drew Henson
Jamie Martin
Craig Nall
Marques Tuiasosopo
Anthony Wright
yuck.
I'm holding off on my opinion until I see him the pre and regular season. However when the Bills first signed him I did a little research. Seems the main knock on him was that he didn't go down field to the open receiver, but instead was happy to dump off to the safety valve guy(s). Sound familiar? According to nfl.com he had 8TDs and 9INTs in 13 games.
Anyway, I wish the Bills would have signed Anthony Wright instead. He's got a lot of experience and has played well at times. Charlie Frye sucks. Saw him in Seattle last year and he was bad.
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The Buffalo Bills, defeated in the AFC Championship game by the no-huddle Bengals, soon adopted their approach. With Jim Kelly quarterbacking a no-huddle "K-Gun" offense, the Bills became the only team in NFL history to appear in four consecutive Super Bowls, from 1991-1994."[/i]
GO BILLSSS!!!!
While this is technically true (pretty good for Wikipedia), there's a little more to it. According to Marv's book it went kind of like this as I remember: In the Cincinnati game, in the second half sometime the Bills went into the 2 minute no huddle offense and had success. It got Ted first to fool around with it in the offseason and then in the off season he proposed it to Marv and they decided to go with it. It wasn't necessarily that they saw Cincy do it and said, he we gotta do that. Actually it was more of a co incidence.
GO BILLSSS!!!! indeed !!
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I'll believe it when I see it in a regular season game.
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You know...when you bring up something totally off-topic to help prove your point, you prove you can't make your point at all. I never once said that Collins, AVP, or RJ were better than Flutie...talk about putting words in one's mouth...I never even brought any of them up. Flutie sucked on his own.
Let me just clue you in on something...if one QB sucks, it doesn't automatically make another one good.
Better start reading your own posts a little better. Flutie didn't lead us to the playoffs in 99..the defense did
Actually they both did. I still don't see how pointing out that they had stout defenses in '97 and '98 and the defense couldn't do it by themselves to win even half the their games before Flutie came along. Then they win 22 out of the 33 games over 3 years he played in or something very close to that.
You're talking as if adding a guy like Flutie would magically make us win. I hate to break it to you, but we had great defenses when he was playing. Are you actually trying to say that the defenses were great because of the midget? There's a guy getting inducted into the Hall of Fame next weekend who had more to do with that than Flutie could ever have dreamed of being.This is your opinion and you're entitled to it no matter how dumb it is. All I was trying to say is we had good defenses before he got here and didn't win jack. He came and somehow, magically or otherwise, or maybe Bruce finally figured out how to play defense, we started to win. It wasn't on his talent alone, he inspired the other guys around him to play better. He had leadership ability. You can argue that all you want, but I saw it for myself on TV AND at the Ralph in person. Discount that all you want. Continue to revise history if it makes you feel better.
I don't know where you come from, but where I come from if a guy QBs a team to the playoffs 2 years in a row, he's no slouch. He's a pretty decent QB at the very least regardless of kind of defense he has. He certainly doesn't suck.
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oh brother...you're another one of those people who thinks the QB is the only one on the team
#1 defense in the league in 1999...I never saw the midget play on that top-ranked defense
The Bills were #9 in the league in defense in '97 and #6 in '98. Pretty stout defenses. How come those defenses couldn't win games with Todd Collins, Alex Van Pelt, and Rob Johnson, but could with Flutie? Remember the '98 team had it's run with both RJ and DF. The results speak for themselves. Since the QB is just one of 40 guys on the team, swapping out only one guy shouldn't make a difference, right? Funny how it did though.
I never said the QB is the only one on team. I wish you wouldn't put words in my mouth. I have said and will continue to say though that the QB it THE MOST IMPORTANT position on the team and has THE BIGGEST IMPACT.
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oh brother...you're another one of those people who thinks the QB is the only one on the team
#1 defense in the league in 1999...I never saw the midget play on that top-ranked defense
The Bills were #9 in the league in defense in '97 and #6 in '98. Pretty stout defenses. How come those defenses couldn't win game with Todd Collins, Alex Van Pelt, and Rob Johnson, but could with Flutie? Since the QB is just one of 40 guys on the team, swapping out only one shouldn't make a difference, right?
I never said the QB is the only one on team. I wish you wouldn't put words in my mouth. I have said and will continue to say though that the QB it THE MOST IMPORTANT
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please please please let this thread die so that I can change my avatar.
thank you
Nobody sez you gotta read it pal.
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you're funny ...he had Moulds and Reed wide open downfield and instead of throwing to either of them, he tucked the ball and ran...most of those drives ended long before the endzone...it happened frequently during the 99 season...drives that should've ended in TDs got a 1st down or two and we had to bring on Mohr
WHATEVER
When Flutie was QB here we won a lot of games. Before he got here we didn't win many and after he left we didn't win many either. That's all that counts. If you win by 2 or you win by 42, it counts as 1 in the W column. In the words of Rat Face Al "Just win baby". Flutie led us to 10-5 in '99 playing in every game missing none due to injuries. Have we had a QB since he left be able to come close to that? From where I'm sitting, not being in the playoffs in 10 years or a winning season in 5, that sounds pretty good. And it is good. We could use a man like that around here now.
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Nice grab on the bomb with a defender all over him by TO. YES !! I think they showed it 3 or 4 times.
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Oh no, he's growing a beard.
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I'm sure he means the Bills, but you can make the case for the rest of the NFL too.
This seems to be the norm now, having all draft picks signing with their teams at the last minute.
You have to wait for the guy ahead of you and behind you to sign to make sure your slotted properly. Only problem is the guy ahead of you and behind you is waiting for the guy ahead of and behind him. And the guy ahead of and behind him is waiting for the guy ...
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You talkin' about the Bills, or every other NFL team?
My guess would be he's talkin' Bills. The Bills are the only NFL team to start training camp in 4 days!
But it's all good. We got TO.
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Notice how that's the usual response. 'Just sign someone else.'
I want a name.
And the problem with signing inexperienced kickers is that you don't know what you're going to get. If you make a move based on one preseason, be ready for it to backfire once the big boys play full-time and the pressure cooker increases.
I don't have a name.
I'm not a pro scout. I don't disagree with a lot of what you are saying including if he's good enough for Bobby April he's OK with me. I also don't know that they aren't looking around. At least last year, Lindell was OK. I just want better than OK FG wise.
The original question was "Does he have your confidence or not?". As for me, right here, right now, he does not. But I have an open mind. That could change.
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Fair enough reddog but what would you have had the Bills do this offseason to improve over Lindell?
Bring in some contenders or would be contenders. Scour the free agent wire. Maybe a guy who was out of football last year and hungry to get back in. Maybe an Arena guy. Then announce that you're opening it and have kicking competition in training camp. If Lindell's the guy, make him earn it. It would be good for him and the Bills. If one of the other guys is better, keep him.
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Vinatieri is better than every other kicker in the league? How so?
And I, unfortunately, can't prove my point because there is no standard definition over what constitutes a "clutch" kick.
By the way, I'm not trying to be argumentative and I apologize if my last post came across as condescending...I just happen to think that kickers are interchangeable parts. There is very little variance statistically between the "good kickers" and "bad kickers".
I'd say Adam Vinatieri is the best kicker in the NFL based on the number of clutch kicks I've seen him make. I can go back to the OT kick in Buffalo in a blizzard in 2000 in one of Flutie's last games. Then there was the Super Bowl game winning kick. Then there was the tuck rule game game winner in the snow. On and on and on. Part of that may be due to the team he was on etc. But he delivers the goods. If he's not the best in the NFL today, who is?
No prob on the argumentative thing. It's cool.
We'll just have agree to disagree on the "interchangeable parts" thing with kickers. Maybe "there is very little variance statistically between the "good kickers" and "bad kickers"." But still, I couldn't disagree more. Stats don't tell the whole story.
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no they dont need to be state of the art however they do need to be able to accomodate all the fans so grown men dont have to piss in the sink... you guys are messed up for that
Or the trash can. I've seen that too. PIG. Of course drinking less beer could solve all of these problems too!
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He's not un-clutch...it's just that the instances when he misses a clutch kick resonate louder in your memory. I would hazard to guess that his FG % in "clutch" situations is just about equal to his career percentage of 80.
PROVE IT
I looked into your challenge for me to prove my point. 2 out of the last 5 years the winning SB kicker was Adam Vennetari. I think it's safe to say he's better than every other kicker in the league including the ones on average teams.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think Lindell's horrible, but he did have a bad year last year. It wasn't just the Clowns kick. I just think we should be looking for someone better. I think the same for the QB, DE, DT, LB, and OL positions as well.
As far as kickers from southern teams coming into the Ralph. I'll never forget watching Nick Folk of the Drugboyz kicking 2 straight 60+ yard FGs in the Ralph for the win in 2007. I also remember the kicker for the Clowns making several very long kicks including one to go ahead with 2:00 to go in the same windy stadium as Lindell. Didn't bother him too much.
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If we were a Super Bowl caliber team in that upper 10-15% of the NFL I would say we could use a possible upgrade at kicker but for now Lindell is more than good and I am fairly confident in his ability to make big kicks that aren't like around 50 yards going against the wind (Like that Cleveland kick). But a 45 yard kick no wind I am going to feel like we have a greater than 75% chance to win that game.
I'm sorry, but this to me smacks of a loser's mentality. We should be trying to improve EVERY position on this team. I'm not saying Lindell's the man or not the man. But I think his performance last year merits a serious look for something better. To say he's "good enough" even though he cost us at least one game last year. He also missed several other big kicks when the game was not on the line. I'm thinkin' he missed a couple against the Jets which was a winnable game.
Maybe it's just that I place a higher value on FG kickers than many others on here. You gotta have a really good one to win. I want to win THIS FREAKIN' YEAR !!!
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I have my own theory on this. Running a professional sports team is not a real good way to make money year over year. However, it can make you a ton of money when you sell. Nothing drives up the value of a franchise than a new "state of the art" stadium. I saw it first hand in the '90s with the Dallas Mavericks when I lived there. Ross Perot Jr. was the owner. The team sucked. He hired low budget coaches. Didn't pay big time free agents. They went on to win <20 games per year. Then Ross suckered Dallas into building the American Airline Center even though the stadium they played in was less than 20 years old. As soon as the thing was done, he sold the team to the Cube for a HUGE profit.
Look at the Forbes top 10 valuable teams:
1. Dallas Cowboys
2. Washington Redskins
3. New England Patriots
4. Houston Texans
5. Philadelphia Eagles
6. Denver Broncos
7. Chicago Bears
8. New York Giants
9. Cleveland Browns
10. New York Jets
They all have brand new "state of the art" stadiums. Now, the bottom 7:
25. New Orleans Saints
26. San Diego Chargers
27. Buffalo Bills
28. Oakland Raiders
29. Jacksonville Jaguars
30. San Francisco 49ers
31. Atlanta Falcons
32. Minnesota Vikings
They all play in old dilapidated stadiums. Atlanta's is 10 years old or so I think. The Metrodome is 24 years old.
The league likes it because it drives up the value of it's franchises which generates more money in TV deals etc. Major sports leagues hold up municipalities and threaten to move their team if they don't build a new stadium. Look at what Gooddell said when he was here last year. If Buffalo were to build a new stadium, all of the sudden Buffalo would become a viable market for the NFL. Look into what David Stern did to the city of Seattle before the Sonics moved. The team could stay if a new stadium was built. To it's credit, the city of Seattle said NO and look what happened. Just a little lesson to any other cities out there thinking of NOT building a new stadium.
Anyway, that's my story and I'm stickin' with it.
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Until the Bills show an ability to pass block consistently, run block in short yardage, rush the passer and stop the run and until the coaching staff shows any ability whatsoever to manage a game, I think kicker is a relatively minor concern.
Yeah, let's wait until the Bills can "show an ability to pass block consistently, run block in short yardage, rush the passer and stop the run" and still lose games due to missed FGs and THEN in the next offseason try to get a new kicker. Makes sense to me.
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I don't have much confidence in Rian Lindell. Seems like a nice guy. He missed more than the kick at the end of the Clowns game last year that hurt us. But a kicker can make the difference between winning and losing in the NFL. Position is misunderestimated by many fans. What if we had Nick Folk instead? We need somebody like him. I'm disappointed the Bills aren't bringing in some serious replacement contenders for Lindell and letting 'em kick it off to see who's best and stays on the team. If Lindell wins fine. If not, fine.
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