Joe Miner

I don't see anything wrong with those statements either. I'm talking about his comments in the game. On the play I was talking about, I would actually have rather heard him criticize the US player for not blocking out or going up strong for the rebound, instead of hoping that this was the play the Chinese player needed to get fired up. I didn't say I wanted them to be complete USA homers, gushing with nothing but love for us and never seeing our faults, but why would he be rooting for the Chinese player to outplay us? As I said, acknowledging that Tom Brady made a good play and is a good player isn't the same as wanting him to get fired up in a game, especially a game against the Bills. There's a difference between being a homer and actually wanting your country to win.

Holy SHIIT!!! As I've tried to express several times: I AM NOT CALLING FOR CHINA TO BE PORTRAYED IN A NEGATIVE LIGHT AT ALL. AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO CONSTANTLY KISS THEIR ASS. NOT WANTING TO KISS THEIR ASS IS NOT THE SAME AS WANTING THE ANNOUNCERS TO SPEAK NEGATIVELY ABOUT THEM. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ACKNOWLEDGING THAT OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE GOOD ATHLETES AND GOOD TEAMS, AND OPENLY ROOTING FOR THEM, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE (THE U.S.) ARE PLAYING AGAINST THEM. I AM NOT BRINGING ANYTHING POLITICAL ABOUT CHINA INTO THIS THREAD. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T START THIS IN THE PPP SECTION. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE BRINGING THIS CRAP UP.

You do realize the difference between facts and opinions right? You do realize how statistics and sample sizes are related right? You do realize the difference between conclusions based on actual facts and conclusions based on a relatively few number of opinions right? You do understand what a logical conclusion is right? Because I don't think you can say yes to any of those questions. So far, your facts are likely wrong (or at least unprovable), your sampling of opinions is much to small to draw an accurate conclusion, and your conclusions are completely illogical. To say that Europeans elected their leaders without any thought given to their proposed foreign policies is ignorant on several levels. Even if you happened to be right about average Europeans versus average Americans views on foreign policy(which I doubt you are), caring less than someone else doesn't mean that they don't care at all. It also doesn't mean that it wasn't taken into consideration at all when they voted for the candidate they liked the best. Surely you have something that makes sense that backs up your statements right?

Ahh, so we're just making stuff up and throwing it out as facts now. I get it.

Don't our presidential candidates talk about foreign policy ideas in order to get elected? Don't Americans use a candidate's views on foreign policy to help figure out who they want to vote for? Why would Europeans not care about their potential leader's views on foreign policies?

Wow, you really don't get it. You have apparently failed at understanding this thread. Again, you're the only one talking about this.

Why are you so wound up on criticism of China? I didn't mention it in my original post. You're the only one bringing it up. All I said was from the amount of Olympics I've seen so far, I (and the other 4 people that watched it with me this weekend) haven't seen much negative about China at all. Again, I'm not arguing that we should be criticizing/bashing China. I'm not arguing that we should be making the Olympics a political statement. You may be reading my posts, but I don't think you're paying attention.

I'm not saying that we can't appreciate good competition from an opponent. But IMO, the Olympics are also a time to unite as a country and bring our best to compete with the rest of the world's best. Just because we can appreciate the excellent competition, doesn't mean we should actively be rooting for them, especially when they are directly competing against us. The other 31 NFL teams practice just as hard as the Bills, and all their players have prepared for the NFL their whole life, just like the Bills' players. Saying Tom Brady made a good play and is a good player is different than saying 'Hopefully that 3rd down completion is just what Brady needs to get going this game' when it's a game against the Bills.

Well, congrats on misconstruing my point, you sure put me in my place. I didn't say we should be bashing China and telling hem how great the US is, and they should be more like us. I didn't say that we should assume we're #1, and everyone should bow down to our greatness. Great arguments against what I didn't say though. But when our announcers seem to be rooting and cheering for our opponents, I tend to question why. When all of the commercials from US companies seem to be telling me how great China is, I tend to question why. And I've watched a good amount of coverage this past weekend, and IMO, they really haven't mentioned anything negative about China like you seem to think they are. There's a difference between rooting for your own country, while still respecting your host, and openly cheering for your opponents while telling your country how great the opponent is.

What's the deal with the Olympics this year? Either I've gotten more cynical the past 4 years, or it really seems that the TV coverage of the Olympics really wants me to love China. Many of the announcers during the Olympics almost seem to be rooting for the Chinese, and almost every commercial that's on during the Olympics has something to do with China. During the men's basketball game yesterday against China, one Chinese player dunked a rebound over Carmello Anthony and the announcer (Doug Collins I think) said something to the affect of "Well maybe that's what he needs to get him fired up and get him going" referring to the Chinese player, not Anthony, as if he was rooting for what I thought was supposed to be "our" opponent. Last night's coverage of women's gymnastics was all about how great China is, and how great their gymnasts are. Every commercial that comes on has something to do with loving China, and China being all about coming together as one. I realize that's the Olympic theme this year, but coming from China, it's pretty laughable IMO. Does the Chinese government have some kind of control over the advertisement aired during Olympic coverage, or do these companies really think that I want to see pro-China love on TV all the time? I checked a map and everything, and I think I'm still living in America. So is it just me, or is the coverage of the Olympics this year trying to inundate me with some kind of love for China?

Winning hurts the franchise.

Oil at $120/barrel isn't really a bust IMO. Oil at $50 a barrel still isn't a bust IMO. In the late 90's, when oil was $15/barrel and lower, that was a bad time for the oil business. Around 2003-2004 when oil started to move up to around $50/barrel, oil companies thought they were in heaven. The past year or so when prices have skyrocketed has certainly been insane, and quite the "boom" for oil companies. But even when the "boom" is over, and oil drops back below $100/barrel, I wouldn't say that it's necessarily a "bust". It's still plenty high for oil companies to keep expanding and growing and making a very nice profit. Oil in the 80's was a "bust". Companies were closing their doors and downsizing left and right. Oil of 2008 is nowhere near a "bust". Is the oil "boom" over? Maybe. Is the oil "bust" beginning? I doubt it. Plus, just wait until Israel attacks Iran. If $140/barrel was high, I can only imagine what it will hit when that happens.

So why shouldn't people keep their tires properly inflated and the US drill for more oil?

I'm still wondering where you are getting 4,000,000 gallons of gas.

I'm not arguing that. I'm just trying to explain his 9er multiplier. He thinks tire pressure will have a 9 year head start on increased drilling.

I think he's trying to say that we would be able to save this for 9 years before we would start to see any production from drilling. 2008 + 9 years = 2017 <--- The estimate he's going with before we start seeing oil from expanded drilling.

Where are we getting the 4,000,000 gallons of gas number?

My point was that the jokes are more in line with Christian beliefs than Unitarian beliefs. It's like making fun of Muslims for praying to Mary. People are joking that God didn't save the Unitarians, when they don't really believe in the God that was supposed to save them. But at least you didn't miss the point. If people know so much about the Unitarians, how come the jokes don't reflect it?

Lots of people ragging on God here. Look up a little info on Unitarians. They really aren't Christians, and God is something of an abstract theory to them. All I'm saying is that if you want to ridicule their faith, at least make relevant jokes, there's lots of material to work with.

Unitarian Church almost seems like an oxymoron.

That was the advice my boss gave me in high school. Find a fat chick, take her to Dairy Queen, and practice up. Cheap and effective. On looking back, it wasn't a half bad plan, but alas, I never took his advice. There is something to be said for knowing how to swing before stepping up to the plate.

Unfortunately the people running the BuffaloBills.com site don't realize this. http://buffalobills.com/billsclipstoday/ It's also scrolling on the first page as well.

Yeah, I tend to agree. I posted this here, based on the fact that the judge made them change the name. Not sure it would ever happen in America, but then again I'm not sure it wouldn't. I don't like the idea of judges with this kind of authority, but man some people sure do some dumb stuff to make you wonder.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25827708/