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Steady now, McLovin'. I said that I thought he was all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips. I just couldn't remember how stale the chips were. Same draft as Williams? That's probably when I was wishing we'd drafted him. For good reason. Cincy got more miles out of him than we got out of Williams. Wouldn't that be something? It would be worth taking a shot at him for a couple of years. Hope the injuries aren't too serious, like musculoskeletal (ligamenture) stuff. That has a way of nagging for.....decades.

I'm not lazy, just incompetent. I just Googled "Levi Jones Draft Status" and got 7,000,000 entries covering everything from offensive tackles to denim jeans in the military. When was this guy drafted, and where was he slotted? As I recall, he was all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips at the time, right?

Doc, I have to respectfully disagree with that last line. I know - KNOW - we have a surfeit of actual and potential starters at wide receiver next season. But we only have ONE of the BEST punt returners in the league. Why look for the NEW best returner when you HAVE him under contract? That man is singularly responsible for the Bills' offense starting on the 38 - 45 yard line after each punt. Before you hustle the man's skinny little butt onto the trading block, think about how you're going to feel as the Bills start each drive at the 16 yard line. Over and over and over. Say it with me....help me here....."Three and out, and the Bills are once again kicking from deep in their own territory.........."

It's likely heretical to say it here, but I'd just as soon see them trade down and grab another second or third. There's probably as much value at (e.g.) 15 as there is at 11 when it comes to the quality of OTs. I really don't mean to turn this into another mock draft thread - there are too many of those. Rather, I'm making this statement in keeping with the theme of perpetual optimism. I've had to take a hiatus from the board since last December because of the negativity; it's sometimes overwhelming. It's like - okay, Peters is gone. Shut up and get over it, and focus on the positive. Trade down a few spots, pick up another high first-day pick, and enjoy Christmas morning. Think of all the shiny new linebackers, tight ends and offensive linemen you're going to have when you wake up on Draft Day (Note, Bill in NYC, that I didn't say defensive secondary). But to constantly whine about how fuggin' awful the OBD FO is day-and-night.....sheesh. This is your team. Love 'em or leave 'em. Bitching about the fact that Peters is now wearing eagle feathers on his hat is just the epitome of pointlessness. I can't WAIT for Draft Day!

Hear Hear! And the fans of the Denver Broncos join in the chorus as they help pack Jay Cutler's bags. Gimme a break. You act as though this is the only organization that makes unpopular choices. Stop it. Jesus, just stop it.

I don't know where I come down on this one. About 4 weeks ago, I would have said "Jesus, let it go." I just read a really good book entitled "Hunting Eichmann". You might want to take a few hours to chew through this one, and then re-post. Just a suggestion. Again, I don't know where I come down on this one. Let's just say that the book was enough to balance the pendulum.

That was actually very good. In the midst of all this self-immolation....quite well-turned.

I'm looking through a Cabernet-soaked haze, but my favorite was always Killer McKellar. Until the knee went, that could have been some serious...stuff. I never felt that Metzelaars had the athleticism of McKellar, but he sure was a lot more durable.

I know I should be more forgiving, but as hard as I try, I can't let go of the Titans game a couple of years ago when he failed to get his feet down....you know.....about 3 yards before the back of the end zone. I KNOW it's a challenging game. I KNOW the loss allowed us a better draft pick. I KNOW it was hopeless to have expected to have beaten the Titans. I know all this. But despite all my supposed knowledge, I would elbow in front of every one of you to grease the ways so as to allow that LOSER to slide gently into the harbor, and off to his next port. How ya doin', Dean?

Fifty going on 51 far too soon, and a Bills fan since growing up in Rochester back in the day of Channels 8, 10 and 13. It was a big deal when PBS (Channel 21) came to town. Four channels! Black-and-white, snowy reception, but glued to OJ every Sunday. I've moved all over the country, I've held season tickets for the Los Angeles Rams while in SoCal 20-some-odd-years-ago, but am eternally grateful that I've been able to steer events such that I'm back in northern New York. I couldn't imagine being anywhere else. And part of that regional loyalty - and love - is being a fan of the Buffalo Bills regardless of the incompetence, frugality, and seeming-mediocrity of the front office. Would I stop watching them? Sober up!! The most recent example I can give relates to two back-to-back games this season. I was at a trade show in NYC during the Jets debacle in December, and I actually was able to rig up my display screen so as to watch the game at the booth. (Mine was a very popular booth that afternoon!). Losman nearly killed me. I was so pissed off that I cancelled on a dinner invitation proffered by some Jets fans for that evening. I just couldn't deal with it or them. The next weekend, however, I was in Phildelphia on business, but made sure I found a sports bar, and cried tears of joy as Corner knocked the ball away on the last play. My god - Buffalo had won. Buffalo had won. And all was right in my world. Losman, Jauron, and Wilson were not forgiven, but their incompetence was forgotten. For a week. I guess I'm with the Dean on that point. Of course we're disgusted, infuriated, baffled. But to jump ship? To leave your team? Here - let me hold the door for you.

1) I fell off the Jauron bandwagon at the end of the first half on Sunday, and then the bandwagon rolled over me in the 4th quarter when they threw into the wind on 3rd and 1. BUT.... 2) Ralph Wilson doesn't seem (to me, anyway) to be the type of person who is going to bring in the next Bill Walsh. The Bills are not going to get Parcells if Huizenga sells the Dolphins, they're not going to get Cowher, they're not going to get Schottenheimer, they're not going to get Knute Rockne. Deal with it. If Jauron is fired, the Bills would end up with another Joe Unknown, another Bob Sortofgood, another Hank Hopeheknows. 3) Given Point 2 above, do I really REALLY want to blow things up and start over from scratch? AGAIN??!!?? With Joe Unknown? Bob Sortofgood? Hank Hopeheknows? Better the devil I know. Get the best DE in the draft, and then the best C, and shop for a TE not named Derek. And maybe a new set of training wheels for Schonert. 4) I'll be back. You'll be back. We'll all be back. Stop kidding yourselves.

I hear you, Dean. I've had to take a hiatus from the inanity. Looks like it hasn't gotten any better. These people are paid hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars per year to play a professional sport in which the outcome is black-or-white. It's win or lose. No ambiguity. Football is a sport which the vast majority of players have beaten each other to a collective pulp in a hypercompetitive fashion since they learned how to do "Number Two" and reach the flush handle. The people playing on Sunday have had to outcompete their peers in Pop Warner. JV. Varsity. JUCO. NCAA. And now The Show. The pressure goes up at every step. If they fail at any level along the way, they get to post on internet message boards. Does anyone think these guys enjoy, let alone tolerate, losing? Why do people post on this stuff? In any case, hope you're doing well. I'm over in Greece at the moment. The women are incredibly hot. Unfortunately, they show absolutely no interest in me. Go figure.

That's from an old Monty Python skit. Well done resurrecting THAT one! I'm not sure, but I do believe it's illegal to use another player for leverage. Which is why I was also surprised last weekend at no penalty flag - because there was a Bill climbing (and then literally standing) on another Bill during an attempt at a FG block. It just stuck out, because you never see teams attempting that anymore. I'm pretty sure it's illegal. And it probably hurts like hell to have a 250-pound man jumping on your back while wearing cleats. That has to leave a mark or two.

I'd like to start referring to Robert Royal as "the newest member of the Carolina Panthers...."

Lori, you know what makes that avatar so creepy? It's the oddly fitting tag line. Makes me double-check all my spelling knowing you're watching each and every one of my keystrokes. [shudder]

Oh, I'll grant you that. Definitely. Favre DOES tend to toss the wobbler out there. I'm just counting on probabilities. If the Bills can finally get some pressure up the middle - which, quite frankly, I haven't seen since the Seattle game - there could be flocks of lame ducks flapping around out there. I don't want just a SINGLE interception tomorrow! If there's ANY quarterback in the league who is capable of a 4-interception game, it's certainly Brett Favre. Always has been, always will be. This fan base just has to hope it's "Bad Brett" (as you say) that shows up tomorrow.

Not to pee on any barbecues, but Favre isn't going to make any risky throws UNLESS the pass rush shows up. Period. What struck me - once again - is the foresight of this front office. I must say, when Edwards was drafted, I thought that the collective brain trust had been living downwind of the acetone-cracking facility just a tad too long. No, it seems that I'M the one who was living downwind of the acetone-cracking facility a tad too long. When the front office drafted all those damn CBs this past year (see ya, Kennard Cox), I once again thought that the inbreeding laws that restrict marriage to anything beyond third cousins should be broadened. At least in Orchard Park. But here we are, desperate for more help at CB. Thank heavens they drafted as many as they have, and thank heavens for Jabari Greer. He's the last man standing. Maybe these guys DO know more than a bunch of anonymous souls posting on a fan forum. Egads.

Jesus. Look at the rest of the posts in this thread and tell ME to relax?!?! Getting back to road kill in vinyl, as we were........

Your choice of subject matter and passion in which you've presented it are admirable. Your selection of forum boards is questionable. Your spelling, grammar and syntax are atrocious. Tuesday can't get here soon enough to address Point #1. You're going to have to work on Points #2 and #3. And Travis Henry - oddly enough - is the one Bills player to actually crack the consciousness of my kids. Back when he was playing with a broken fibula, one of my daughters asked me whether it was true what the TV announcers said - "Is he really playing that game with a broken leg?!" I told her that, yes, indeed, that man was out there playing football with a broken leg. Playing football on a broken leg. I can't imagine getting up from my seat to get a beer with a broken leg. And now he's going to be fitted for an orange jumpsuit. There but for the grace of Bob go I.

It's oddly comforting to know that in these times of stress, anxiety and carnage there are people who have absolutely far too much time on their hands. I'll start getting impressed when they start taking pictures of roadkill in vinyl miniskirts.

One might argue that this is exactly what happened on the 1995 Cowboys? Or was it 1994? I can never keep it straight. That year they won the Super Bowl with Barry "Packin' Heat" Switzer as HC. Dean, you and I could have coached that team to the Super Bowl. Okay, you would have coached, and I would have perhaps fluffed the towels, but both of us would have gotten rings. That had NOTHING to do with coaching, and everything to do with an amazing collection of talent.

I believe it's a younger version of the Al Davis-led circus. The point about meddling owners is well taken. You wanna be the coach? Be the coach. If not, shaddap, get back into the suite, and chase the waitress around the room. Churchill badgered, distracted and overrode his generals to the point of exasperation. Jones (and Davis) must be similarly horrific in nature. Just not as eloquent. At the end of it all, I don't care who takes the blame. The Cowboys cannot - can NOT - lose enough to make me happy. It almost makes it worth watching that nano-brained Emmitt Smith just to watch him wince when the subject of his beloved 'Boys comes up.

THAT was funny. Well done.

Touché, Mr. Dean. Touché.

To be fatally honest, if the Bills lose, I'm not going to care one schit as to what's on TV after 4:00 P.M. I tend to go to bed early and have really rotten dreams after they lose. Even a Cowboys or Patriots* loss can't help assuage the pain.