2020 Our Year For Sure

I completely agree. Go get him Trader Doug. He brings the D to another level.

Someone posted a link to every snap last night. He was tackled by Stanley for a holding penalty after whipping him for a would be sack with that spin move. He had other good rushes that resulted in rushed incompletions. And collapsed Stanley backward toward the QB on a bull rush a number of times. Also consistent and at times disruptive in the run game. It was a competitive matchup but Shaq represented himself quite well I thought.

Me too. The nice surprise of getting Shaq in the first only adds fuel to the fire. It's like we got a 2 gapper like jarran Reed and an edge rusher like Leonard Floyd all in one pick. I do think a traditional in line TE like Hunter Henry would be a good under the radar pickup that'd help Roman's offense maybe more than we realize. Also don't wanna see offense get ignored when it's built on ball control yet did poorly on 3rd down. But I have some trust in the Dougster to put it together one way or another.

Good stuff GB please keep your analysis coming. Trader Doug buckled down and stayed put this time and his draft board came to him. The first round played out well for us.

Michio Kaku in the 5th.

I'd think about Whitehair or Hunter Henry. Henry and Clay would make Roman's two-TE sets a pain in the butt to defend, and would play slightly different roles from one another. Rex' teams by their nature need to be able to churn out first downs and dominate time of possession, yet we led the league in 3 & out percent. Gotta think about keeping the chains moving at some point. I'd rather wait on more DL help personally, think we could get one of bandit's nose tackles a good deal later and have both 3- and 4-man fronts locked and loaded.

Its not like Stanley owned him in pass pro. Shaq was taken down for a holding penalty on a would-be sack, forced a few early incomplete passes and collapsed him on bull rushes. Lawson's run D was excellent- it was a competitive matchup.

You're in 4-man front most of the time anyway, so we needed a 2nd edge rusher to line up at DE opposite Hughes. The fact that he has a big body and is powerful, can 2 gap and set the edge against the run = cha ching. I think its a perfect fit and love this pick.

I'm gonna go ahead and take this as good news.

I like your 2nd round 2 gapper a lot more than Reed in the first. Our run D wasn't bad last year even with Mario being Mario. It's a passing league and that's where we struggled. Reed had a college career high of 1 sack so I'm not sure how he makes us better. I say use the first round for something else and get your 2 gappers later in a deep DL draft.

It would be just like Rex to pick the most controversial one of the group.

Veeeery interesting...

Fitzpatrick?

Yes yes yes

Haha I hear you, can't wait for this thing. To me edge does make more sense in the first because there's an open spot in the nickel as you say. I'm not so enthused to draft a lineman at 19 if they're a backup most of the time.

Thank you to you and others for a pleasant and informative thread here. If I may play the cantankerous voice of dissension... There's a stat making the rounds that modern defenses are in the nickel or dime on 65 percent of snaps. I wonder if you or others would be willing to elaborate on how a 3 tech 5 tech type of lineman can help on these two thirds of our plays when Marcell and Kyle are already in place as outstanding DTs for a 4 man front. This not to mention we've burned 1.7m of our precious little cap space to retain Corbin Bryant presumably to be their primary backup. Are we talking about life after Kyle Williams, and accepting that Bryant is a waste of money and the 19th pick is on the bench as a rookie more often than not? Or is Kyle Williams an 8m backup more often than not? Or are we counting on one of these behemoths to be an edge rusher and play nickel DE? Seems like if this is the pick we'd have been better off cutting at least one of Kyle and Bryant loose. Hindsight being 20 20 of course. But still with money so tight this offseason I wish we would have planned this thing out better than seeing healthy major resources riding the pine so often. I have similar questions about the base scheme. If the pick is Rankins or Jones my understanding is that for the rook to play alongside dareus and Kyle, big 99 would have to play the nose, meaning we're largely wasting our best player. Alternatively we could address this in like the 5th round rather than the 1st, drafting a nose tackle and having half a chance of getting pass rush production from the 100m dollar man. I guess if I'm boiling it down I'm asking why we need 4 different 3‐down‐capable 300 pound linemen, and whether that is the optimal use of our paltry resources.

Makes sense from where I sit.

Our D was nasty those couple of years. I wasn't saying pass rushers aren't important or anything like that. I'll tell you this though I wouldn't want seantrel Henderson lined up against Bruce Smith. I actually voted for creating a sack being more important than preventing one but the conversation went on a tangent away from the poll. Rex pass rush is less about premier pass rushing talent and more about confusion. After reading hof Watkins posts I have to wonder what is the point of paying Glenn 12m a year for his pass blocking when the opponent can simply move their stud edge rusher to the sieve on the opposite side? Maybe in today's league you get more value from a left tackle who can protect once a likewise investment is made on the other side. None of this mentions my primary reason for wanting a tackle, that we're a run first offense and even our passing game is created by running the ball.

A single protector yes but bookend tackles neutralize edge rushers.

Makes a great deal of sense to think ahead this way.

Only a flesh wound there be no need to bring out our dead. Me mother was a hamster you see, we're survivors.

A little I'm hurt but not yet slain

These lists are not complete. I count only 4 players on the nix list that worked out better than Manny Lawson yet Lawson is not mentioned. Where are Corey Graham nickell robey and Dan Carpenter. If half decent rotational players like alex carrington and cj spiller are check marks for nix then where are Corbin Bryant jarius wynn Preston Brown kiko etc for Whaley. Edit Kyle Orton too

So nobody can disagree without being accused of this bbfs. I'm a Whaley believer but that seems like a cheap shot not to mention a logical fallacy.