2020 Our Year For Sure

"That answer should be coming in the next couple of weeks, and I expect there to be an uproar, regardless of what the Bills decide." Well said, Erik. Thank you.

Tyrod's peers are the likes of Glennon, Kaepernick, Foles. No reason to commit to this big long term deal for a dude that's basically replacement-level. During the season we all came to realize he's not worth it- after the Raider game we all said he's got to go and nobody stepped up to defend him. Our common sense told us he lacks the basic skills to be a good starting quarterback. Now that the season is over we're forgetting what we learned, and in the name of "optimism" falling for statistics that do not show how he can't see the field and refuses to throw the ball. The thing is, his being a crap quarterback (in relative terms) makes me plenty optimistic because crap is easy to replace, and it even can be improved on. Bring back a strong running game, and it can fall some from last year and STILL be one of the best in the NFL, but now go from one of the worst passing teams to middle of the pack and your offense is better and more versatile.

I hear that Thanks for an outside the box option at QB.

I prefer bringing in a bridge guy to over paying a bridge guy. I like the emotion though!

43 out of 75 voters think Tyrod is better than both Cousins and Smith? Badol is right, the never-ending losing has put this fanbase to sleep. We used to know the league. Have our statheads checked out what Kirk Cousins did this year? Are we allergic to nice things to the extent we can't even vote for it in a poll on a message board? Lets go BUFFALO We rise. Thing is, the poll question is who do you want.

I don't its my armchair evaluation that you don't have to pay any mind whatsoever to and could easily be wrong

No I said he needs to be as good as Taylor, far from franchise level like you claimed My take is not hard to follow. Foles will be about as good as Tyrod, or even better, with less investment

Me too. Cousins, would've been Romo if he were less of an injury risk.

Its funny how they equate getting rid of Tyrod with "a full blown rebuild." I'm all about win-now, that's why Trentative needs to go.

well said. Also with a better passing game you're more likely to get critical situational scores you need to WIN. So instead of being 7th in points but still losing, you can turn the points into wins more efficiently. Tyrod struggled the last 2 years in critical situations.

but change makes me feel frightened. Can't we just pray tyrod will get better and pay for potential?

Foles is way less investment than Tyrod. So he doesn't need to be anywhere close to franchise level for the Bills to benefit by switching, he just needs to be as good as Taylor.

That would have been an elite offense if it had thrown the football better, and there were open receivers and easy opportunities all season long. The lack of a passing game is what held the Bills back from a dominant offense that would carry a bad defense into the playoffs. Some fans see only downside, the risk that the Bills offense will be terrible again if anything changes. Fair enough. I see opportunity. If you add a mediocre passing game component to last year's offense, look the **ck out! The pass rush comes back strong and you may be talking about an actual contender.

You're correct, thank you. Its 20M per year only if we need to get out of the contract after 2 years. If we keep him longer than that then it goes down.

Dude please take a second to think about this. I'm stating my subjective opinion that Tyrod is a weak starter. So "if what I say is true" then its not getting rid of a middling starter, is it? Disagree with my evaluation if you like. I'm happy to engage with you bud but only if you'll at least try to understand what I'm saying.

K-9: average starting QB money2018: weak starter JFH: same difference

Interesting. I think he's slightly better than Fitz. Good backup, weak starter.

Cap hit matters and also how much does it cost to get out of it? I see you though thank you for the correction.

Franchise QB money, bridge QB product

All can really be said about Tyrod's 2016 is "statistically average if you fully include rushing" Stats don't tell the story of missed easy opportunities though as we saw weekly on the A22. Repeated easy opportunities that were missed should have a very real impact on any reasonable evaluation. Knocking to below average at best. I'd also argue that balance is inherently better than being one dimensional, in terms of winning. In stat terms that would mean Tyrod's rushing yards are not as valuable as more passing yards would be Guy is not an average starting quarterback in terms of winning a Superbowl in my opinion. Sometimes we seem to get lost in the raw stats and forget some of the real world applications. I was on the Tyrod train until, at a time when he should have been galvanizing his men and leading them to comeback win, he was shown sitting on the bench staring into space with his eyes glazed over like there's somewhere else he would rather be. It is not a smart move to give this guy 20M a season I don't care what stats come out. He fits right in on the pantheon of esteemed quarterbacks I've had the pleasure of watching the last 20 years. 20M dude...its franchise QB money for a bridge QB product.

Also, he was bad in no-huddle situations, and worse in the 2nd and 4th quarters and better in the 1st and 3rd quarters. Teams that score in no-huddle and 4th quarter situations win more games despite less points scored. Scoring at the end of close games is what translates that 7th in PPG ranking into lots of actual wins. This is why its important to be able to pass the ball...there's inevitably going to be close games in which we have to score some other way than breaking the pocket and scrambling 5-10 yards at a time. Its not about accumulating pretty stats its about getting wins

I do not agree at all. If he stays only the running game is good, if he goes the passing game may be good also.

Yeah if its not a real paycut then it doesn't seem worth it to me.

http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/192084-bills-have-2-days-to-trade-ttno-cap-hit/?p=4250835 Kirby, according to that post (which silenced Badol so I'm thinking BarleyNY's facts are good), to cut Tyrod after one more season would cost $30M, to cut him after 2 more years would cost $20M per year. Do you expect those two figures to go up or down as a result of a restructure?

If he takes a pay cut then ok, he can be the bridge/backup. I'd still prefer Romo or Foles instead so we'd have a chance to have a good passing game in addition to a good running game...but bringing back Taylor and further wasting Sammy Watkins in a gimmicky non-passing offense actually becomes a viable play if TT takes a paycut and prices himself into it. Of course a QB must be drafted high if they do this