2020 Our Year For Sure

Interesting, I hadn't heard this either. Do you think they would have fired Marrone coming off a 9-7 season? Bills fans were generally quite excited about the program at that time. I also think the sudden end to Marrone's tenure kiboshed the Polian deal, which seemed to be something the Pegulas genuinely wanted. I should clarify, I personally would have given Rex the axe (Hue Jackson would've topped my list). I do understand the view that its a knee jerk reaction and appreciate the position the Pegulas were in, so while I don't agree with their decision to give Rex a second chance I will never be critical of it. What I saw this year, paired with his last few years down here in NJ, makes me think this isn't a very good coach for today's NFL. I could write a novel about why which wouldn't sell any copies. All just my opinion of course, which the record will show is far from fact.

Wowwww I didn't realize that. Suck it, New York Doug

Preach ! Well said as always. I like Whaley too. I've seen talent depleted Bills teams and the last two years he's given his coaches a lot to work with on both sides of the ball. They don't have the experience of winning in the league but the raw talent has been there for the right coaching staff to create the right culture and lead them. Tyrod's presence opens a window to ending the playoff drought and competing like the Bills haven't had in a long time. so it's such a shame to waste any season right now. Rex will either get it together or get lost and either way there are better days ahead.

I don't think the money is the reason Rex was retained. The Pegulas spent over a billion for the team, I don't know that something like 25 million really bothers them when it's as important to winning as head coach. Marrone put them in a rough spot when he backed out. They thought they'd come aboard and evaluate the likes of he and Whaley for one year before making a decision on contract extensions. Then Rex tricked them and his performance was disappointing. I think they just didn't want their first act as owners to be hiring a coach who is extremely well liked around the league to a five year deal, then fire him after a single 8 and 8 season, and after season one be forced to hire coach two. That is about as bumpy a start as you can get. If Rex disappoints once more, I have faith he'll be out.

I think linebacker makes more sense for us in the first round than does d line. In our system, do you see Smith as the lighter of the two inside linebackers, the spot Bradham played this year? Or olb perhaps?

YEAH (Deep Voice)

This is our year! Lol.

Yes, this is why they had to switch from playbooks to iPads. Re: discipline, because Marrone was a power-tripping, micromanaging disciplinarian who kept players in line. I think him a poor coach but the world is shades of grey, abound with silver linings. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2014/8/21/6053859/doug-marrone-jerry-hughes-argue-buffalo-bills-run-sprints http://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2014/12/bills_jerry_hughes_benched_penalty_referees_doug_marrone.html ^two separate incidents months apart, to be clear. http://bills.buffalonews.com/2014/05/07/team-doles-second-chances-marcell-dareus-puts-bills-bad-spot/ Jerry Hughes is one of the most immature players in the league. He is not the only Bills defender who lacks discipline in my opinion. By contrast to Marrone, Rex for better or worse creates an environment that allows players to be themselves and to lead each other rather than looking to the coach. If you have Ray Lewis, great. If you have no leaders and a bunch of undisciplined players who have never won anything, that approach gets ugly fast. There's nobody to hold guys accountable. Rex was not a stylistic fit for the particular 9-7 team we had in place, neither schematically nor in terms of his leadership approach. Re: football IQ, I got the sense that some fraction of the problem was that some of these players aren't smart or instinctual enough to play this way. The defensive line has to read and react when they two-gap, not necessary when you're pass rushing like a headless chicken every snap in a base 4-3. Bradham, Brown and Rambo, among others seemed to get lost out there. Kiko, in contrast to Bradham was an instinctual player with a high football IQ I'd have liked to see. Schwartz ran a basic scheme they practiced over and over and over and our guys didn't have to think much. What we had previously was working with these same players, this is not lost on me. To tear that down and rebuild is foolish, but that foolishness does not prove it won't work. To quote one of the wittiest posters we have, I just think it won't work Because. Rex. Sucks. But here's to hoping that more leadership and intelligence from the players might help.

Ok. I'll always cling to that optimism with this team no matter what my expectations are. The duality of Bills fandom I guess.

It's been cool agreeing with you for once. Ouch! What do you find so unreasonable about those who are not impressed by Rex?

Amen.

Some reasonable people, who want nothing more than to see the Bills win football games, disagree with you. Deal with it!

On top of the X's and O's mismatch, Rex' approach does not fit a team with questions about discipline and football IQ. These shortcomings were exposed in a way they never were under Pettine or Schwartz. The defense took a big step back and caused our record to fall even as the offense improved significantly. What is done is done. This does not eliminate all hope for the future. Our hope is that once we re-build the defense in Rex' image, it will come back stronger than ever, with leadership that comes from the players rather than the coaches, and a higher IQ as a unit. With Rex at the controls I'll hope for this like hell everyday but I won't hold my breath.

The players are far from perfect. They lack focus, discipline and to some extent football IQ. That said there is just no questioning that other coaches did far better with those same flawed pieces.

mocking people for voicing their opinion

Cute little barbs such as this seem to lose their luster when you ignore counterpoints. Kyle Williams had 1 sack in 5 or 6 games. Seems he fell down the same rabbit hole as Dareus, Mario and Hughes. If you want to hold him up as a lost savior, go right ahead. When Aaron Williams played he contributed to the undisciplined, unfocused mess that was the 2015 Bills defense. If you want to dream he'd have been some sort of savior, and would have avoided the sharp cliff that took down Dareus, Mario, Kyle, Hughes, Brown, Bradham, Robey and Graham, go right ahead. If you want to dream that a run stuffing linebacker who can't play in the nickel was both something Rex wanted and something that would have helped him significantly, go right ahead. My head knows Rex was largely responsible for the sloppy mediocrity of the 2015 defense. Even so, in my heart of hearts I'll always harbor hope that wild-eyed optimism like yours is actually correct.

Aaron Williams looked awful under Rex. How many penalties did he take in that game? He was as immature and unfocused as any other player on the field. Not surprising, seeing as Dareus, Mario, Hughes, Brown, Bradham, Robey and Graham all fell off a sharp cliff from the year before.

Spikes is not the world's only one-dimensional LB who can't cover. To most teams, this is simply a backup who can't play special teams, and not a desirable piece. For example, Spikes himself was not highly sought after either before or after the Bills got him. Just as Marrone and Hackett could have added a fullback any time they wanted, Rex and Thurman could have added a fringe linebacker who can't even play in a modern base defense (the nickel) any time they wanted, for peanuts. The rest of the league puts no value on these players.

Okay I see you didn't follow. Rex and Thurman were with a division rival for 6 years. After being hired by the Bills they had 9 months to plan their defense and acquire whatever trivial pieces they thought would help. Just as it was nobody other than Marrone/Hackett's fault that they didn't want a fullback, it was nobody other than Rex/Thurman's fault that they didn't want a one-dimensional run stuffing linebacker who is a liability in coverage.

I've addressed your point about Spikes.

It's the same defense that was very good last year. "But Brandon Spikes" That's like supporting Nate Hackett on the basis that he didn't have a fullback to work with. If he wanted a fullback, he'd have had a fullback. One-dimensional run stuffing linebackers who are a liability in coverage are role/fringe players in today's NFL. Brandon Spikes was not highly sought after before the Bills got him, nor after. If we didn't have a one-dimensional run stuffing MLB who is a liability in coverage its because the coaches didn't think it would help them.

I signed Lane Johnson in Madden, and the game encouraged me to put him at LT and Glenn at RT. Glenn was rated the same on both sides while Johnson improved slightly on the left. Irrelevant but it gets a fella to thinking I don't know much about Johnson although I remember his tremendous athleticism from the draft. Do you think he's capable of playing left tackle at a high level? I'm wondering if the Bills could make the case that Philly decided to have two left tackles, and paid accordingly, and if that could help in negotiations with Glenn in any significant way. edit- I see you answered this already, lol

I thought just that.

I think Barbarous is saying Tyrod leaves the pocket too soon too often, valid critique imo. He may well improve it though, seems to have an excellent feel for the rush without looking away from the WRs. just needs to get more comfortable stepping forward rather than scrambling.

Indeed we lost in Washington because the defense flat out quit, in a way the same players never did under gailey or marrone.